Dwight Discussion: D12 felt marginalized by MDA (989)

khmrP wrote:

King of Clutch wrote:

khmrP wrote:Player G W L GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Al Horford 11 6 5 11 34.7 5.9 11.3 .524 0.0 0.0 2.7 3.4 .811 2.2 7.8 10.0 3.4 0.8 0.6 1.9 2.9 14.5
Brook Lopez 11 5 6 11 34.4 6.9 12.7 .543 0.0 0.0 3.4 4.4 .771 3.0 4.3 7.3 1.5 0.5 1.5 2.0 2.0 17.2

H2H, Horford vs. Lopez, one is 6 10 the other is 7ft, can't see the clear case here who's better.

I can, its lopez. By about half a mile.

I guess pts is all that counts for you then?

Those are career numbers. Irrelevant to this debate.

King of Clutch wrote:

khmrP wrote:

King of Clutch wrote:

khmrP wrote:Player G W L GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Al Horford 11 6 5 11 34.7 5.9 11.3 .524 0.0 0.0 2.7 3.4 .811 2.2 7.8 10.0 3.4 0.8 0.6 1.9 2.9 14.5
Brook Lopez 11 5 6 11 34.4 6.9 12.7 .543 0.0 0.0 3.4 4.4 .771 3.0 4.3 7.3 1.5 0.5 1.5 2.0 2.0 17.2

H2H, Horford vs. Lopez, one is 6 10 the other is 7ft, can't see the clear case here who's better.

I can, its lopez. By about half a mile.

I guess pts is all that counts for you then?

Those are career numbers. Irrelevant to this debate.

I give you #'s you brush it off, so what exactly makes you the expert in determining who's the better talent?

This thread is golden

there's no fire in this guy.

i don't know what to take from it. you would think losing in the finals, and in a position as a player who can flip a franchise back into playoff contention with a little heart and effort, but i don't see it.

GP MPG FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% RPG APG BLKP STLPG PFPG TOPG PPG
42 29.7 7.6-14.5 .524 0.0-0.0 .000 3.8-5.1 .735 7.3 0.8 2.2 0.5 2.2 1.8 18.9
45 37.1 7.1-13.3 .536 0.0-0.0 .000 1.7-2.8 .594 9.8 3.2 1.0 0.8 2.3 1.9 16.0

This is more accurate. And like I said before. The stat sheet doesn't show a players skill. Which lopez has the edge in.

khmrP wrote:

King of Clutch wrote:

khmrP wrote:

King of Clutch wrote:

khmrP wrote:Player G W L GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Al Horford 11 6 5 11 34.7 5.9 11.3 .524 0.0 0.0 2.7 3.4 .811 2.2 7.8 10.0 3.4 0.8 0.6 1.9 2.9 14.5
Brook Lopez 11 5 6 11 34.4 6.9 12.7 .543 0.0 0.0 3.4 4.4 .771 3.0 4.3 7.3 1.5 0.5 1.5 2.0 2.0 17.2

H2H, Horford vs. Lopez, one is 6 10 the other is 7ft, can't see the clear case here who's better.

I can, its lopez. By about half a mile.

I guess pts is all that counts for you then?

Those are career numbers. Irrelevant to this debate.

I give you #'s you brush it off, so what exactly makes you the expert in determining who's the better talent?

They're career numbers. I say its irrelevant because we're not talking about who had the better careers. We're arguing who is the better player right NOW. Thats why I listed this seasons stats. And its also irrelevant because the stat sheet doesn't say everything about everyone. I don't know why you love to keep going to it.

King of Clutch wrote:GP MPG FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% RPG APG BLKP STLPG PFPG TOPG PPG
42 29.7 7.6-14.5 .524 0.0-0.0 .000 3.8-5.1 .735 7.3 0.8 2.2 0.5 2.2 1.8 18.9
45 37.1 7.1-13.3 .536 0.0-0.0 .000 1.7-2.8 .594 9.8 3.2 1.0 0.8 2.3 1.9 16.0

This is more accurate. And like I said before. The stat sheet doesn't show a players skill. Which lopez has the edge in.

and again which skill is that, scoring?

khmrP wrote:

King of Clutch wrote:GP MPG FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% RPG APG BLKP STLPG PFPG TOPG PPG
42 29.7 7.6-14.5 .524 0.0-0.0 .000 3.8-5.1 .735 7.3 0.8 2.2 0.5 2.2 1.8 18.9
45 37.1 7.1-13.3 .536 0.0-0.0 .000 1.7-2.8 .594 9.8 3.2 1.0 0.8 2.3 1.9 16.0

This is more accurate. And like I said before. The stat sheet doesn't show a players skill. Which lopez has the edge in.

and again which skill is that, scoring?

offense and defense. As well as being more productive while playing nearly 10 less minutes per game. That alone is telling.

King of Clutch wrote:

khmrP wrote:

King of Clutch wrote:GP MPG FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% RPG APG BLKP STLPG PFPG TOPG PPG
42 29.7 7.6-14.5 .524 0.0-0.0 .000 3.8-5.1 .735 7.3 0.8 2.2 0.5 2.2 1.8 18.9
45 37.1 7.1-13.3 .536 0.0-0.0 .000 1.7-2.8 .594 9.8 3.2 1.0 0.8 2.3 1.9 16.0

This is more accurate. And like I said before. The stat sheet doesn't show a players skill. Which lopez has the edge in.

and again which skill is that, scoring?

offense and defense. As well as being more productive while playing nearly 10 less minutes per game. That alone is telling.

yea its telling cause Horford is ABLE to play more minutes, even the BK commentators noted Brook isn't able to play long minutes effectively, maybe thats why he settled for long jump shots and fadeway while being defended by Clark. Just cause he avg. more Blks doesn't mean he's a better defender, Horford has been an undersized C for most of his career the fact he still avg. 10 reb a game should count more then Lopez 2blks.

Also is 4th in PER. Only lebron, kd, and cp3 have a higher PER than him.

King of Clutch wrote:Also is 4th in PER. Only lebron, kd, and cp3 have a higher PER than him.

can't argue that but maybe if Horford had a PG like Deron spoon feeding him he might have higher PER.

Lakerman JSJ wrote:

Chillbongo wrote:Looks like CL is ready to trade Dwight.

Ready to trade his attitude at least. Man the F up, Dwight. Ya sound like a little girl.

I've seen little girls with more heart. It just might be too late for an attitude change. His feelings are hurt

khmrP wrote:

King of Clutch wrote:

khmrP wrote:

King of Clutch wrote:GP MPG FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% RPG APG BLKP STLPG PFPG TOPG PPG
42 29.7 7.6-14.5 .524 0.0-0.0 .000 3.8-5.1 .735 7.3 0.8 2.2 0.5 2.2 1.8 18.9
45 37.1 7.1-13.3 .536 0.0-0.0 .000 1.7-2.8 .594 9.8 3.2 1.0 0.8 2.3 1.9 16.0

This is more accurate. And like I said before. The stat sheet doesn't show a players skill. Which lopez has the edge in.

and again which skill is that, scoring?

offense and defense. As well as being more productive while playing nearly 10 less minutes per game. That alone is telling.

yea its telling cause Horford is ABLE to play more minutes, even the BK commentators noted Brook isn't able to play long minutes effectively, maybe thats why he settled for long jump shots and fadeway while being defended by Clark. Just cause he avg. more Blks doesn't mean he's a better defender, Horford has been an undersized C for most of his career the fact he still avg. 10 reb a game should count more then Lopez 2blks.

Except it does mean he's a better defender. At least in this case. The centers job is to patrol the paint. He does that job better than horford.

I honestly hope deep down that you believe horford is the better player, no matter how wrong I think that may be. Because it'll be even more sad if you went these lengths just because of pride.

King of Clutch wrote:I honestly hope deep down that you believe horford is the better player, no matter how wrong I think that may be. Because it'll be even more sad if you went these lengths just because of pride.

Fine Lopez is a better player because he's actually a C unlike Horford who is FORCED to play C and yet still post respectable #'s all around. All this time my point was TEAM fit, I can't imagine how ugly this team D would be with 2 slow arse bigs like Lopez/Pau together and how exactly you can call Horford glued to the floor or slow footed is beyond me especially compared to Lopez

Of course we lose in a straight up swap of Lopez for Dwight. But it wouldn't be that. Considering the pieces the Nets can send I wouldn't rule out Brooklyn. Lopez can't anchor the D or rebound but we can get Reggie Evans packaged with him to help with that. Jordan Hill showed us how valuable a good garbage man can be.

I bet they'd take Dwight & our crap for Lopez, Evans, Brooks, 1st.. They were offering more than that last season if you believe the reports. The main concern I have is his injury history. If they're that worried about Lopez, there are tons of teams that would be willing to get involved & take him. Kid is having a career season. I'd love to see how he works with Pau before we decide on him long term. That's some serious offensive talent in the frontcourt.

khmrP wrote:

King of Clutch wrote:

khmrP wrote:

King of Clutch wrote:GP MPG FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% RPG APG BLKP STLPG PFPG TOPG PPG
42 29.7 7.6-14.5 .524 0.0-0.0 .000 3.8-5.1 .735 7.3 0.8 2.2 0.5 2.2 1.8 18.9
45 37.1 7.1-13.3 .536 0.0-0.0 .000 1.7-2.8 .594 9.8 3.2 1.0 0.8 2.3 1.9 16.0

This is more accurate. And like I said before. The stat sheet doesn't show a players skill. Which lopez has the edge in.

and again which skill is that, scoring?

offense and defense. As well as being more productive while playing nearly 10 less minutes per game. That alone is telling.

yea its telling cause Horford is ABLE to play more minutes, even the BK commentators noted Brook isn't able to play long minutes effectively, maybe thats why he settled for long jump shots and fadeway while being defended by Clark. Just cause he avg. more Blks doesn't mean he's a better defender, Horford has been an undersized C for most of his career the fact he still avg. 10 reb a game should count more then Lopez 2blks.

And him being a better rebounder doesn't make him a better player. He's a better blocker/paint defender, better post player better scorer, shooter, ft shooter, and the overall better player.

man if the league is laughing now at this team, they'll be crapping in their pants with joy if/when we accept Lopez for Howard

khmrP wrote:

King of Clutch wrote:I honestly hope deep down that you believe horford is the better player, no matter how wrong I think that may be. Because it'll be even more sad if you went these lengths just because of pride.

Fine Lopez is a better player because he's actually a C unlike Horford who is FORCED to play C and yet still post respectable #'s all around. All this time my point was TEAM fit, I can't imagine how ugly this team D would be with 2 slow arse bigs like Lopez/Pau together and how exactly you can call Horford glued to the floor or slow footed is beyond me especially compared to Lopez

Lol ok, glad to clear that up. And I say it because its true. I don't know what you're watching, but lopez is not as slow as you're making him out to be. And his blocks show for it. This shows it perfectly.

khmrP wrote:man if the league is laughing now at this team, they'll be crapping in their pants with joy if/when we accept Lopez for Howard

of course. lol but if howard wants to go, we won't be a winner in any trade that we do anyway.

King of Clutch wrote:

khmrP wrote:man if the league is laughing now at this team, they'll be crapping in their pants with joy if/when we accept Lopez for Howard

of course. lol but if howard wants to go, we won't be a winner in any trade that we do anyway.

you know dam well you laughed at Bk with their offer last year for Howard too....

Unless we are blown away by an offer, there's no reason to trade Dwight.

A trade likely means we take on a long contract that restricts all the flexibility we have headed our way in these next few years. Better to just try and resign him using the better offer we can make and if he takes less money to play in a crappier city for a lesser franchise, then good riddance. Still have money to throw at the Kevin Love's of the world here soon.

khmrP wrote:

King of Clutch wrote:

khmrP wrote:man if the league is laughing now at this team, they'll be crapping in their pants with joy if/when we accept Lopez for Howard

of course. lol but if howard wants to go, we won't be a winner in any trade that we do anyway.

you know dam well you laughed at Bk with their offer last year for Howard too....

lol I probably did, I don't know. But that was undoubtedly the BEST deal that they were offered.

Isnt Lopez injured like every season, putting him in the list of injury prone players?

When asked about the All star game

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2013/2/8/3967522/nba-lakers-dwight-howard-better-sit-out-all-star-weekend

"I mean, why wouldn't I want to play? But at the same time, this is my career, this is my future, this is my life. I can't leave that up to anybody else because nobody else is going to take care of me. So, if people are pissed off that I don't play or if I do play, whatever it may be, so what? This is my career. If I go down, then what? Everybody's life is going to go on. I don't want to have another summer where I'm rehabbing and trying to get healthy again. I want to come back and have another great year. That's what I want to do."