Dwight Discussion: D12 felt marginalized by MDA (989)

Finwë · by **Finwë** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:00 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
John3:16 wrote:
last stand wrote: So it's silly to say I hope Dwight walks.

I didn't say I wanted him to walk. That's my fear. So we should trade him now while we can get something in return.

Reading on Twitter today, Steve Kyler was talking about how we can still Sign and Trade D12, we just can't get any sign and traded players back in return.

His example was....

Sign and Trade D12 for Al Horford + Teague - Legit

Sign and Trade D12 for Josh Smith - Can't do because we would have to sign him to do it.

Oh that's a huge difference.

What return in exchange for Howard would you find acceptable?

borri · by **borri** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:38 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
Dwight Howard blamed his guards for the 38-29 rebounding discrepancy
"They were long rebounds. Rebounds that were coming to the elbows. We have to get guards to come back and get those long rebounds." 2 minutes ago

I agree with this, that it should be a team rebounding effort........

But....

Chris Bosh got 11 boards.....

Dwight had 9 boards......

Don't worry D12 the more you point that finger at others, you still got 4 more pointing right back at you.

Not to mention....D12 had count em....FOUR rebounds through 3 quarters. FOUR!

Ice-Fire · by **Ice-Fire** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:50 pm

Bosh is more mobile then Howard no doubt about it, has a better jump-shots know's how to use his offensive abilities UNLIKE HOWARD and knows when to attack the basket.

Howard should go to ATL and become the man over their.... we do not want a overrated chump leading this franchise.

abeer3 · by **abeer3** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:55 pm

i commented on this a couple weeks ago, but i heard worthy was discussing it after today's game: dwight isn't setting screens on the ball. guy never makes contact with the defender, and the play is doomed from the start. for all the talk about how soft gasol is, at least he understands that the pick and roll doesn't work when you don't put a body on the first guy. it's kinda the point, and i'm sure dwight had to have done this right in orlando to have such great efficiency on that play.

karacha · by **karacha** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:12 pm

Ice-Fire wrote:Bosh is more mobile then Howard no doubt about it, has a better jump-shots know's how to use his offensive abilities UNLIKE HOWARD and knows when to attack the basket.

Howard should go to ATL and become the man over their.... we do not want a overrated chump leading this franchise.

I have a better idea: why don't we just offer Dwight for Bosh? I think Riley might want to do that.

Herm24 · by **Herm24** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:15 pm

Don't worry D12 the more you point that finger at others, you still got 4 more pointing right back at you.

Isn't it actually 3 fingers pointing back at you .. I mean unless you have a dislocated thumb

SpencerHarrison · by **SpencerHarrison** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:15 pm

Dwight is a superstar in name only. Blame it on injuries if you want, but he just isn't showing enough on the court. I hope he does, but we've seen enough already this season to know the truth: We've got a player who made hay being a physical freak, who is not a physical freak any longer. Case closed, ship him out

Doc Brown · by **Doc Brown** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:16 pm

Herm24 wrote:
Don't worry D12 the more you point that finger at others, you still got 4 more pointing right back at you.

Isn't it actually 3 fingers pointing back at you .. I mean unless you have a dislocated thumb

last stand · by **last stand** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:22 pm

karacha wrote:
Ice-Fire wrote:Bosh is more mobile then Howard no doubt about it, has a better jump-shots know's how to use his offensive abilities UNLIKE HOWARD and knows when to attack the basket.

Howard should go to ATL and become the man over their.... we do not want a overrated chump leading this franchise.

I have a better idea: why don't we just offer Dwight for Bosh? I think Riley might want to do that.

I hope your being sarcastic. Talk bout handing Lebron 5 more rings

last stand · by **last stand** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:23 pm

The shortsightedness in this thread is incredible by the way, just incredible

SpencerHarrison · by **SpencerHarrison** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:27 pm

last stand wrote:The shortsightedness in this thread is incredible by the way, just incredible

So you still want to see D12 lead the Lakers post Kobe/Nash?

last stand · by **last stand** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:32 pm

I want the best defensive player in the league on this roster for the future. Whether he is to lead or nt is irrelevant because the lakers will bring someone else in to pair with Dwight.

You don't just give up elite talents because they performed below their own standards post major surgery. Ridiculous. the lakers actually look past one post injury season, that's why they wont trade him.

Herm24 · by **Herm24** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:33 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
Herm24 wrote:
Don't worry D12 the more you point that finger at others, you still got 4 more pointing right back at you.

Isn't it actually 3 fingers pointing back at you .. I mean unless you have a dislocated thumb

V.V.V.V.V. · by **V.V.V.V.V.** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:39 pm

Dwight will improve as he heals completely. We just need a better coach that will utilize him better.

SpencerHarrison · by **SpencerHarrison** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:39 pm

last stand wrote:I want the best defensive player in the league on this roster for the future. Whether he is to lead or nt is irrelevant because the lakers will bring someone else in to pair with Dwight.

You don't just give up elite talents because they performed below their own standards post major surgery. Ridiculous. the lakers actually look past one post injury season, that's why they wont trade him.

Fair enough. I just think the emperor has no clothes. And that's nice that you don't care if Dwight leads or not, but I believe that is still a relevant issue for HIM. He wants to be the man

last stand · by **last stand** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:53 pm

Leading and being the man arent always the same thing. Kobe has been the man since 2004-2005. Unquestioned. But the leader during the 3 finals appearances? I'd argue it was Derrick fisher.

As long as Dwight is healthy and performing at his level I honestly don't care who leads. I just care about having a better coach with better performance as a roster going forward

SpencerHarrison · by **SpencerHarrison** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:57 pm

Is Dwight on a max deal worth it, giving you double digit points and rebounds per game?

Rooscooter · by **Rooscooter** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:03 pm

SpencerHarrison wrote:Is Dwight on a max deal worth it, giving you double digit points and rebounds per game?

Interesting question.....David Lee does it with fitting into a system and with constant effort and no drama...... Is he a max player?

Dwight may bring more defense but the distraction is not worth it IMO under the new CBA.... A team can really afford just one max deal and put a complete team on the floor. I'd spend a max slot elsewhere

Savory Griddles · by **Savory Griddles** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:04 pm

To all the people who think the Lakers should trade Dwight.... :bang:

At 75% with his back and less than that with his shoulder, are you expecting Prime Shaq numbers? I'm not saying he's the man to lead a team to a championship. He needs another elite player with him. But other than LBJ, who else is good enough to lead a team to a championship by themselves? Durant looks pretty damn good...with Westbrook at his side.

SpencerHarrison · by **SpencerHarrison** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:10 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:To all the people who think the Lakers should trade Dwight....

At 75% with his back and less than that with his shoulder, are you expecting Prime Shaq numbers? I'm not saying he's the man to lead a team to a championship. He needs another elite player with him. But other than LBJ, who else is good enough to lead a team to a championship by themselves? Durant looks pretty damn good...with Westbrook at his side.

Where is this percentage coming from? I'm tired of hearing about it. If he isn't right, fine - shut it down, or shut up and find a way to fit into the system. And don't get in STEVE NASH's face about not feeding you. You can't have it both ways.

I don't care if Dwight's back is 15% or 115%, I don't see good things out of him in terms of attitude and will. And his offensive game is trash. The points he gets come from being fed with deep position or putbacks. I don't buy him, at any percentage of health.

last stand · by **last stand** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:11 pm

SpencerHarrison wrote:Is Dwight on a max deal worth it, giving you double digit points and rebounds per game?

Yes but thats entirely dependent on what the doctors have told the lakers front office. If they tell them he'll be back to 100% or very close then yes he's a 20 and 10 guy. If they tell me it's a gamble then I think twice about it

Injuries are tricky. Remember the difference between Bynum 2010-2011 and 2011-2012. A full offseason to train and practice basketball makes the world of difference

Rehab only gets you to status quo. Dwight strength wise is at about his 3rd year in the league on top of not being able to jump as high right now

A full offseason of lifting and basketball should change that. If doctors say it won't then they may look elsewhere. This was supposed to be a process from day 1, the question is how much of a process was it supposed to be. Only the lakers and Dwight know

Weezy · by **Weezy** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:12 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:To all the people who think the Lakers should trade Dwight....

At 75% with his back and less than that with his shoulder, are you expecting Prime Shaq numbers? I'm not saying he's the man to lead a team to a championship. He needs another elite player with him. But other than LBJ, who else is good enough to lead a team to a championship by themselves? Durant looks pretty damn good...with Westbrook at his side.

75% is a number Dwight himself threw out there, not sure I even believe him. Also, Durant is good next to Westbrook? Be serious, he's good period, that's a bad comparison. And ok we'll go with that, what's Dwight's excuse for not looking good next to Kobe, who is better than Westbrook? Dwight's not alike, Kobe IS elite, and Dwight looks bad with him. In fact Dwight has never played with an elite guy next to him, and if this is the best example of that it's a a disaster, Kobe is an all time great, you can't really ask for a more elite guy next to him. That's not even mentioning Nash, one of the best passers of all time, you can't play your best next to those 2, I don't want you as my guy going forward. Apparently Dwight can only do well surrounded by shooters and a PG to spoon feed him.

abeer3 · by **abeer3** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:12 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
SpencerHarrison wrote:Is Dwight on a max deal worth it, giving you double digit points and rebounds per game?

Interesting question.....David Lee does it with fitting into a system and with constant effort and no drama...... Is he a max player?

Dwight may bring more defense but the distraction is not worth it IMO under the new CBA.... A team can really afford just one max deal and put a complete team on the floor. I'd spend a max slot elsewhere

but where? not many guys are leaving their franchises, and nobody better than dwight is projected to do so in the next few years. i'd pay max for dwight, even this version, and then i'd rebuild to his strengths.

it would be different if say, lebron, were a viable option. or even kyrie irving. but kevin love? josh smith? these guys are guys that will fetch high dollar salaries and are likely to change teams. 70% dwight is worth more than them, imo. but again, the lakers have to commit to playing to his strengths. they haven't done that yet.

and like i've said many times: he needs to start holding up his end of the bargain before he squawks about anything.

Rooscooter · by **Rooscooter** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:13 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:To all the people who think the Lakers should trade Dwight....

At 75% with his back and less than that with his shoulder, are you expecting Prime Shaq numbers? I'm not saying he's the man to lead a team to a championship. He needs another elite player with him. But other than LBJ, who else is good enough to lead a team to a championship by themselves? Durant looks pretty damn good...with Westbrook at his side.

Look at our situation..... We're going to have nobody under contract in a year and a half..... If "max" Howard and sign a few good players to fill in around him there isn't going to be enough left to sign another leader or star....

Remember that in 14 we will go under the cap..... And the best we can do is go a mid-level above it......or about 30 million below our current level. The only way to keep a team of stars out there is to trade for them or draft them......that's why not trading Pau could have long lasting ramifications for us.

Rooscooter · by **Rooscooter** on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:17 pm

abeer3 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
SpencerHarrison wrote:Is Dwight on a max deal worth it, giving you double digit points and rebounds per game?

Interesting question.....David Lee does it with fitting into a system and with constant effort and no drama...... Is he a max player?

Dwight may bring more defense but the distraction is not worth it IMO under the new CBA.... A team can really afford just one max deal and put a complete team on the floor. I'd spend a max slot elsewhere

but where? not many guys are leaving their franchises, and nobody better than dwight is projected to do so in the next few years. i'd pay max for dwight, even this version, and then i'd rebuild to his strengths.

it would be different if say, lebron, were a viable option. or even kyrie irving. but kevin love? josh smith? these guys are guys that will fetch high dollar salaries and are likely to change teams. 70% dwight is worth more than them, imo. but again, the lakers have to commit to playing to his strengths. they haven't done that yet.

and like i've said many times: he needs to start holding up his end of the bargain before he squawks about anything.

Agreed on the part about getting another star here..... But a max deal with no other star isn't going to cut it either.....we'll be decent but not a contender.... We need to develop talent....to do that we need to get some first. Something we've neglected for 15 years

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