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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:40 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
After the game he brought a stat sheet around the locker room to show some teammates and reporters how he got only five field-goal attempts ...


Howard has mocked Bryant's shooting stats behind his back when he hasn't shot well, leaving Lakers teammates feeling awfully uncomfortable


Dude needs to look in the gosh damn mirror.

You get the ball......you turn it over.......you get the ball.....you get fouled and make at best 1 free throw........you get the ball and get stripped..........you get the ball and throw wild shots off the backboard.

You're getting the right amount of touches, if you got more it would be a bigger mess.


Soooo.... you come to a new team and you begin to cause a situation of "either-or" with the iconic Franchise Player on that team....

The "immaturity" of this guy is really astounding if this is true. Especially in light of the fact that most of his potential shot attempts were either stripped away from him or negated by fouls because of his own ineptitude at the free throw line.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby venky on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:42 pm

Oh my lord. Who the hell does this guy think he is? How many rings has he won? What has he ever accomplished? Just GTFO already.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:44 pm

Wow.... fan base turning.....

Combine this little nugget of info with Kobe's sound byte about looking foolish trying to get Howard the ball....

Wheels are off in Laker Land.... Kobe's are worn out and Dwight's are "training wheels" apparently...
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:45 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
After the game he brought a stat sheet around the locker room to show some teammates and reporters how he got only five field-goal attempts ...


Howard has mocked Bryant's shooting stats behind his back when he hasn't shot well, leaving Lakers teammates feeling awfully uncomfortable


Dude needs to look in the gosh damn mirror.

You get the ball......you turn it over.......you get the ball.....you get fouled and make at best 1 free throw........you get the ball and get stripped..........you get the ball and throw wild shots off the backboard.

You're getting the right amount of touches, if you got more it would be a bigger mess.

Yeah.. Was nice while it lasted D12.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby Center Court on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:14 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
After the game he brought a stat sheet around the locker room to show some teammates and reporters how he got only five field-goal attempts ...


Howard has mocked Bryant's shooting stats behind his back when he hasn't shot well, leaving Lakers teammates feeling awfully uncomfortable


Dude needs to look in the gosh damn mirror.

You get the ball......you turn it over.......you get the ball.....you get fouled and make at best 1 free throw........you get the ball and get stripped..........you get the ball and throw wild shots off the backboard.

You're getting the right amount of touches, if you got more it would be a bigger mess.

Yeah.. Was nice while it lasted D12.


where is that quote from?

Maybe Dwight needs a place like ATL where he can be the man and center of attention.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby WilliamHaven on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:19 pm

Ding: Time to hold Dwight Howard accountable
CHICAGO – You can feel some sympathy for Dwight Howard, who again had an ice pack strapped to his back after the Lakers' latest loss Monday night.
You can acknowledge that he holds the power to act however he wants, because he can leave the Lakers with nothing at season's end as a free agent.

You just can't let him get away with the subpar effort, lack of responsibility and ongoing immaturity that has prevented the Lakers from ever truly uniting this season.

He has failed in that central way that everyone who has ever played on any team can understand: You get a feel for the other personalities, you make real efforts to serve in the best way for the team to win, and you earn your standing in the group by playing hard.

None among the cast of Lakers characters are blameless in a tragedy that has reached the season's midpoint and grows more epic by the day, but Howard has fallen short even of living up to his promise of a fresh start after that diva act in Orlando.

He has been more Shaquillian than he would ever admit – just without the one key element that can redeem a whole lot of everything: the utterly dominant play.

Despite Kobe Bryant shooting at a career-high level, Howard has mocked Bryant's shooting stats behind his back when he hasn't shot well, leaving Lakers teammates feeling awfully uncomfortable. Bryant has tried to connect with Howard, tried to support his free-throw failures with glowing words about how great Howard can be and tried most recently to accommodate that "inside-out" insistence by rising up to shoot and half-looking at the rim, half-looking for Howard.

Yet the only way Howard knows and wants is for him to be the go-to guy at both ends, and he made that clear again Monday night.

He said specifically after the Dec. 13 loss in New York that he likes the ball in the post, not via pick-and-roll plays – a logical reason he was so interested in the Lakers hiring Phil Jackson, the man who made Shaquille O'Neal a champion. On Monday night, Howard dwelled again on the individual negative after not getting many inside touches early on while Mike D'Antoni made an honest attempt to coach from the heart – benching Pau Gasol and investing anew in the pick-and-roll game the Lakers hired him to teach, however misguided that might be with the personnel as is.

Howard was already in a bad mood Monday from his unjust ejection in Toronto the day before. (The NBA rescinded his second technical foul, but replays do show Howard initiating the incident by locking up the arm of Toronto's Alan Anderson before Anderson jerked it free with a forearm raised toward Howard.)
Instead of channeling his frustrations into energy on the court in Chicago – remember that D'Antoni's mantra is: "Ball finds energy" – Howard settled for slow and didn't understand why that didn't work. Then he got annoyed with some Bulls who were playing harder than he was, committed some fourth-quarter frustration fouls and finished with eight points and a team-high four turnovers.

After the game he brought a stat sheet around the locker room to show some teammates and reporters how he got only five field-goal attempts ... a few minutes before the demoted Gasol spoke gracefully across the room about "not pointing fingers, owning up to our responsibilities, wanting to get out of this and having the pride necessary that it takes to utilize our talents and go beat the opponent – no matter who it is, no matter where we are."

If Howard was – as we all expected him to be – one of the top three players in the NBA, then you don't care so much who is the better team guy. The Lakers used to be good enough to win titles with Shaq and Kobe not getting along.

But Howard hasn't been that good – and hasn't updated his self-image to reflect the current state of his game or figure out how to help the team win. He had a reputation in Orlando for always blaming others, and his comments after this game about his shot total showed he's still operating from the same manual – even as he also spouted clichés about how "we've just got to find a way to stick together."

Gasol would never say so, but he has been banished to the bench also because Howard hasn't lived up to his end of the deal. The original concept for the twin towers finally working was that Howard was a far more athletic, active big man than Andrew Bynum, meaning Gasol's lesser athleticism and activity wouldn't be as problematic. As Howard has failed to be the above-the-rim freak – or even the high-motor defensive presence – that he was before April back surgery, a sore-legged Gasol has been left exposed and ridiculed.
O'Neal used to complain that the big dog had to fed if you wanted him to guard the yard. O'Neal used to offer cryptic complaints to reporters about the team needing "to play the right way" – the very same words Howard used late Monday night.

And O'Neal eventually got sent away from the Lakers because all the selfishness just didn't work anymore with Bryant, who certainly can be a handful himself but at least inspires teammates through his work ethic and will to win.

Both Bryant and Steve Nash have tried without success to sell Howard on just going hard – letting his limitations reveal themselves instead of conceding in advance. And the coach? Whereas Jackson has the stature and confidence to call out any player at any time, D'Antoni has been unwilling to criticize Howard – painfully aware that when D'Antoni tried to make Carmelo Anthony modify his attitude in New York last year, the Knicks swiftly chose the player over the coach. (As did the Orlando Magic, with Howard over Stan Van Gundy.)

The Lakers entered the season with zero intention of parting ways with Howard, but they would be fools not to be rethinking at this point. You can't ignore half a season of hard proof that Howard hasn't learned a thing about being a winner from all the very accomplished people around him in Lakerland.
As far as his free-agency power goes, Howard might not even know if he's coming or going – the same uncertainty and insecurity that enveloped Orlando.

He has indicated publicly he likes it here.

But leaving would jibe much more with the gimme-my-toy attitude where he only wants a team that will play his game, his way ... with his excuses.


Move along ho, Super Lakers don't hang out with no skanks.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:25 pm

The thing about that article is that all of this was known about Howard before we got him. Some people don't change.

I'm still glad we have him over Bynum for one simple reason.... he will be easier to trade if this goes as bad as it seems it's going. Neither Bynum or Howard is going to lead the Lakers to a chip....
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby phoenixrisingla on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:30 pm

Rooscooter wrote:The thing about that article is that all of this was known about Howard before we got him. Some people don't change.

I'm still glad we have him over Bynum for one simple reason.... he will be easier to trade if this goes as bad as it seems it's going. Neither Bynum or Howard is going to lead the Lakers to a chip....


You're right, but I think the point is that he'd be willing to put up with that personal stuff if he was performing as expected on-court.

Totally agree with your second point. As disappointing as I am in the team and with Dwight specifically, Bynum is starting to look more like Oden than Kareem.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:31 pm

Very damning.

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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:35 pm

therealdeal wrote:Very damning.

Everyone sucks :man10:


:man10: ..... this is a very "half empty" day......
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:42 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Very damning.

Everyone sucks :man10:


:man10: ..... this is a very "half empty" day......

Yeah not a whole lot of optimism even from me.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:48 pm

So, now does everybody believe the Kobe/Dwight reports that surfaced a couple of weeks ago? No, not the alleged fighting; but rather the clash of personalities that both Dwight & Kobe seem to have. He had issues in the Orlando locker room and ended up dividing an organization.

Dwight has serious character issues. The changes he went through over the course of his post-back surgery he said humbled him; it put him in a different place to become a more mature person. Well, as soon, as adversity hits this Laker team he's pointing out stat sheets so others can look at his FG attempts. Is this really the type of player you want leading the franchise for the next 5-10 years? I don't.

If you're here as a Laker, the first thing on your mind should be winning. If you don't want to be here and pursue championships, you can leave. We have exactly 4 weeks until the trade deadline is upon us. If I were Mitch, I would start to look at deals in moving Dwight out of town and getting some pieces back that we can use for the future.

Dwight might be headed out of town faster then Pau at this point...
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: leading the league in rebounding

Postby last stand on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:03 pm

This season is a hell hole
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby khmrP on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:08 pm

you can already tell Bynum was tired of not being the man and his recent interview suggest as such. Howard has been the man all of his career. This system isn't playing to his strenght so there it is, now we're SOL.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby kenzo on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:30 pm

More drama... :hungry:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby Kit on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:32 pm

Well. Feed him the goddamn ball, Kobe and Nash.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby GoldenKnight on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:36 pm

Wow, its a damn circus in Lakerland....we need to stop picking & choosing players & telling star players like Dwight to GTFO, its stupid. He can complain all he wants and he's right because D'Antoni himself said he doesn't believe in post ups. D'Antoni is the one to blame here not Dwight, not Pau, not Nash, not Kobe...actually the FO is the one who chose D'Antoni to begin with so its even not his fault. We need to come together as fans & support our team not tear them apart even more. "Howard GTFO" are you even listening to yourselves? That's a stupid statement. The guy is frustrated & wantds to win as well...
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby karacha on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:39 pm

Nash is old.
Kobe can't play D anymore.
Metta is inconsistent.
Pau is slow and done.
Dwight is immature and not a leader.

Jamison and Duhon should retire.
Meeks is a bench warmer.
Morris is not talented.
Sacre is a scrub.
Hill is out for the season.

MDA is not Phil.

Clark is good. :man3:


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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby dj vitus on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:40 pm

IB4 someone makes a GARBAGE sig with Dwight Howard in it. :man1:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby dj vitus on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:41 pm

karacha wrote:Nash is old.
Kobe can't play D anymore.
Metta is inconsistent.
Pau is slow and done.
Dwight is immature and not a leader.

Jamison and Duhon should retire.
Meeks is a bench warmer.
Morris is not talented.
Sacre is a scrub.
Hill is out for the season.

MDA is not Phil.

Clark is good. :man3:


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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby cleverdevil on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:42 pm

All this is well and good, but the easiest way to take care of all of this is simply by winning. I don't know how to accomplish that, which is good considering I don't get paid to, but this isn't anything that cannot be overcome. I think that the one factor playing hugely in this is Kobe. Every Lakers fan knows that Kobe has never really had sunshine and rainbows shooting out his backside, but his callous demeanor has only ramped up exponentially, not only due to the current state of the team (no one likes losing), but his own clock counting down to the end of the road for his career.

To Stephen A Smith (see the First Take thread) and everyone else talking about trading Dwight, just breathe. We didn't trade for him to rent a half a season and move on. Much like the "fire D'Antoni" enthusiasts, Dwight is the future of the Lakers organization for as long as he wishes to be here (at least while he is still in his prime years physically). This team CAN work with Dwight as the centerpiece. I don't necessarily think that it can work while Kobe is still active, which I understand is maddening for most as people want to see championships FOR Kobe before he rides off into the sunset.

This team will be built around and more to the point FOR Dwight/D'Antoni after next season. Only then, I believe, we can truly assess their value to this franchise.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby ShowtimeACB on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:50 pm

Give the guy a break, he´s right to complain, he needs more touches.

Kobe,Gasol and MWP are shooting more FG´s than him, while he´s shooting 58% and none of those 3 are even close to 50.

U could understand the situation with Kobe, but MWP and Gasol?

Did we trade for a 22-14 guy to get him 8-10 shots a game? seriously?

One of the problems we have is not having Howard involved, another one is not having Nash properly running the offense, i hate when he just gives the ball to Kobe with 15 seconds on the clock...

Put him in Brooklyn with Deron, JJ and Gerald Wallace, do u think he´ll be averaging 10 shots per game?, Brook Lopez is averaging 14 shots, 14, 4 more than Howard.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby khmrP on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:53 pm

ShowtimeACB wrote:Put him in Brooklyn with Deron, JJ and Gerald Wallace, do u think he´ll be averaging 10 shots per game?, Brook Lopez is averaging 14 shots, 14, 4 more than Howard.


Lopez can hit jumpshots though, thats proably the difference in attempts right there and he probably not getting it stripped every other post up possesion. Thats not to say Howard isn't deserving of a post up opportunity as oppose to that retard MWP with his 3pt chucking :mad1: :bang:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby abeer3 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:54 pm

IF those stories are true, if i'm the coach i give him exactly what he wants. first quarter of the next game, just force feed howard, results be damned. if he kicks it out, re-post. let him see how efficient his system would be.

i watched the last game, and i saw the team making a concerted effort to get him the ball. he either failed to get good position, had defenders in his lap because his teammates can't shoot, or failed to make a play once he received the pass. inside out only works if the threat of "out" exists. it currently does not on this roster. since kobe's been firing blanks, it's gotten even worse.

but to pin it on touches or imply that the team hasn't been trying to get you those touches...that's just misreading the situation. his FGA count is partly his fault, and partly the fault of a roster not suited to his abilities on offense.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: complaining about his touches

Postby purp n gold on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:56 pm

Jalen Rose said in his podcast, 'I'm starting to think the lights are too bright for Dwight"

I hate to admit it, but I think he's right
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