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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:51 am

Dwight is unhappy with the defense, he and MWP are the only ones trying... his teammates just want to run to the other end and chuck shots
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:08 am

Should've hit that piece of s*** Brewer. Little b**** ran up the score on us. Anyways I think Dwight should've been ejected, but that a** clown Dwayne Wade over there in Miami did something just as malicious if not more so by intentionally kicking Ramon Sessions in the balls. Wade didn't even get a technical foul which is f****** ridiculous. NBA has to be more consistent. If you eject Dwight for what he did than you have to eject Wade too.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby GoldenKnight on Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:53 am

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Postby dj vitus on Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:02 am

I guess Dwight will be suspendid for Portland's game? Gonna be another hard-fought game...
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby tigerjeterkobe on Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:12 am

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:Should've hit that piece of s*** Brewer. Little b**** ran up the score on us. Anyways I think Dwight should've been ejected, but that a** clown Dwayne Wade over there in Miami did something just as malicious if not more so by intentionally kicking Ramon Sessions in the balls. Wade didn't even get a technical foul which is f****** ridiculous. NBA has to be more consistent. If you eject Dwight for what he did than you have to eject Wade too.


Ran score up on us??? Wasn't it Dwight who took and hit a 3 when we were blowing Denver out?

Teams know they can get in his head. Just work hard, push him around, take a couple fouls to piss him off! And he will retaliate. That stuff will cost us a lot.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby John3:16 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:14 am

dj vitus wrote:I guess Dwight will be suspendid for Portland's game? Gonna be another hard-fought game...


From CNNSI:
According to the NBA’s flagrant foul guidelines, Howard will accumulate two points points for the flagrant foul two. Entering the game, Howard had one point, giving him a new total of three points should the league office uphold the official’s ruling on the play. Accumulating five points over the course of the season results in an automatic one-game suspension. Howard is not yet subject to this punishment, so any further suspension would be coming at the discretion of the league office and not mandated by the flagrant foul rules.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby JGC on Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:28 am

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:Should've hit that piece of s*** Brewer. Little b**** ran up the score on us. Anyways I think Dwight should've been ejected, but that a** clown Dwayne Wade over there in Miami did something just as malicious if not more so by intentionally kicking Ramon Sessions in the balls. Wade didn't even get a technical foul which is f****** ridiculous. NBA has to be more consistent. If you eject Dwight for what he did than you have to eject Wade too.


Ok, so if the punishment for Brewer for hitting that 3 is a "hit".... what punishment were you calling for when Dwight hit the 3, against this very same team, to run up the score? Let me guess. None.

I also don't get why people throw their arms in the air about running up the score. If you don't like it, then defend. Play to the end.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby dj vitus on Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:36 am

John3:16 wrote:
dj vitus wrote:I guess Dwight will be suspendid for Portland's game? Gonna be another hard-fought game...


From CNNSI:
According to the NBA’s flagrant foul guidelines, Howard will accumulate two points points for the flagrant foul two. Entering the game, Howard had one point, giving him a new total of three points should the league office uphold the official’s ruling on the play. Accumulating five points over the course of the season results in an automatic one-game suspension. Howard is not yet subject to this punishment, so any further suspension would be coming at the discretion of the league office and not mandated by the flagrant foul rules.

Oic, thanks. For some reason I thought a flagrant 2 warranted an automatic suspension but guess I'm wrong.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:45 am

borri wrote:
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CaCHooKa Man wrote:i think hes tired


I think it's that and he's not able to do what he could before the surgery. He seems frustrated a lot lately. He's also getting hung out to dry by our lack of chemistry on the defensive end. All of that has added up to what we saw tonight IMO...


He's tired. SEcond quarter, i noticed he was bent over grabbing his shorts on every inbounds play.


Being "tired" in the Second Quarter is puzzling to me. Getting in shape and recovering from the back are separate things you'd think. 30 games in with a pre-season conditioning program he shouldn't be tired. My guess is that the back in limiting him more than we think and what we are seeing as fatigue might be pain.

The frustration is something that must come with the "C" position on this team..... we seem to frustrate a lot of centers here for some reason....... :man10:
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:49 am

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Texas Lakers Fan wrote:Should've hit that piece of s*** Brewer. Little b**** ran up the score on us. Anyways I think Dwight should've been ejected, but that a** clown Dwayne Wade over there in Miami did something just as malicious if not more so by intentionally kicking Ramon Sessions in the balls. Wade didn't even get a technical foul which is f****** ridiculous. NBA has to be more consistent. If you eject Dwight for what he did than you have to eject Wade too.


Ok, so if the punishment for Brewer for hitting that 3 is a "hit".... what punishment were you calling for when Dwight hit the 3, against this very same team, to run up the score? Let me guess. None.

I also don't get why people throw their arms in the air about running up the score. If you don't like it, then defend. Play to the end.

Dude the game was clearly over there's absolutely no reason to shoot that shot especially because it was early in the shot clock. As for Dwight as I said he should've been ejected, but so should Dwayne Wade. Dude kicked a guy in the nuts and didn't even get a technical foul. Just shows the love affair the league has with Miami and the personal vendetta they have against the Lakers.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:41 am

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Texas Lakers Fan wrote:Should've hit that piece of s*** Brewer. Little b**** ran up the score on us. Anyways I think Dwight should've been ejected, but that a** clown Dwayne Wade over there in Miami did something just as malicious if not more so by intentionally kicking Ramon Sessions in the balls. Wade didn't even get a technical foul which is f****** ridiculous. NBA has to be more consistent. If you eject Dwight for what he did than you have to eject Wade too.


Ok, so if the punishment for Brewer for hitting that 3 is a "hit".... what punishment were you calling for when Dwight hit the 3, against this very same team, to run up the score? Let me guess. None.

I also don't get why people throw their arms in the air about running up the score. If you don't like it, then defend. Play to the end.

Dude the game was clearly over there's absolutely no reason to shoot that shot especially because it was early in the shot clock. As for Dwight as I said he should've been ejected, but so should Dwayne Wade. Dude kicked a guy in the nuts and didn't even get a technical foul. Just shows the love affair the league has with Miami and the personal vendetta they have against the Lakers.



They had to shoot a shot, check the play by play he made it at 25 seconds. They were going to shoot a shot anyway. That's not running up the score. But I'm sure you were all celebrations when D12 shot that 3 and made it. Why not any backlash for d12?
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:45 am

DENVER – People are starting to notice.

"Dwight Howard is basically Kosta Koufos" was the message I got from one NBA insider midway through the Lakers' loss Wednesday night in Denver, referring to the Nuggets' largely anonymous center.

Not long after, someone else who works in league personnel offered: "If you dropped in from another planet and had no idea who the players were, you would never know that Dwight Howard was one of the best players."

This is what Howard is allowing to happen: As more substandard games go by without noticeable rust dropping off, the image repair that was supposed to happen this season is twisting into reputation tarnishing.

If Howard is banking on disproving all that was said about him during his Orlando exit debacle by showing he is a winner as a Laker, he'd better be saving something super special for late in the season.

Howard's decisions to ramp up slowly and carefully this season, leaning on excuses from back surgery eight months ago and failing to get his conditioning back in gear, have brought him to this point – where those who really know the NBA know that he is not being great.

And if that's not condemnation enough, here's one that will surely sting him:

Dwight never wanted to follow in Shaq's footsteps, but he's already following in some of his missteps.

The whole idea of biding time now, not wanting to expend too much too early is classic Shaquille O'Neal philosophy. (O'Neal, however, would entertain himself by talking about building up toward playoff time in specific terminology, and to this day I can still picture Shaq's face as he would raise his eyebrows for the word "climax.")

Ejected for fouling Denver's Kenneth Faried in the face, Howard whined afterward about being penalized by referees for being big and strong – one of O'Neal's favorite statements. Looking so slow on the second night of a back-to-back set before the ejection – to the point that Mike D'Antoni said the Lakers didn't lose "a whole lot" in Howard's ejection – certainly was Shaq-like, too.

Howard blames weakened nerves in his left leg for his inconsistency, saying last week: "There are still days I feel really good, and there are days when I'm not so good. But it's all a process. I'm pretty sure at the end of the year I'll feel a lot better than I do now."

Steve Nash didn't name names the way D'Antoni did, but Nash had a point to make after the loss to Denver about that kind of mindset.

Everyone has days when they don't have their legs, Nash said, and those are the days when you'd really better "fight."

"And find other ways to get it done," Nash said.

As his dominance started to wear off, O'Neal actually went to Kobe Bryant before some games to say it was one of those nights he didn't feel good, so Bryant had better step it up.

Howard wasn't supposed to be that kind of guy.

Howard hardly ever missed games previously in his career – he played 624 of his first 631 before last season – so it was a reasonable assumption that he was the sort who prided himself on performing at a certain elite level he defines for himself. Whether he's just that rattled by his first major injury now, Howard's standards have lowered.

Is it going to take all season for Howard to feel like his old self again – and if so, will his new self never bring consistent effort in making the little plays that help teams win?

Or does it run deeper than that ... and is the limited activity his response to teammates' defensive failures next to him and not having an offense featuring him in the post, where he most wants the ball?

Or is Howard simply content with being a Laker and having the majority of the pressure falling on Bryant and Nash to save the season? And will Howard wait until he is "the man" and Bryant is retired before truly accepting the responsibility of playing like a superstar every night?

Dangerous conclusions are there to be jumped to when you let the people make Koufos comparisons and see you getting killed by Faried. What we know for certain is that there was plenty of symbolism on that flagrant-foul play and how hard Faried drove toward Howard, who was simply unready to respond in the right way.

"He was just mad," Faried said. "I was getting in his head, and he couldn't get the rebound. He wanted to, but I kept getting every rebound. It's not like I said anything or talked to him."

Faried said the Nuggets were also motivated by the Lakers' victory a month ago at Staples Center: "They were laughing and giggling, so we came out to prove a point."

No one laughs and giggles more than the guy who inherited Shaq's old stall in the locker room at Staples and jokes around even more than O'Neal did there.

He's the guy who had 28 points, 20 rebounds and three blocks in that Nov. 30 victory over Denver.

Or is he?

Is he Koufos? Is he Superman?

Here's who he is:

Healthy enough to get 33 points, 14 rebounds and five assists back in the season's second game ... and two months later, he's the guy who still doesn't have the energy and effort.



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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby Juronimo on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:04 pm

I thought it was a flagrant 1, not a flagrant 2 but hitting people in the face is obviously frowned upon for good reason. Dwight needs to control his temper a little more.

Also the team is not even trying to play proper defense. You can't have 2 guys trying hard on the defense end while the rest of the team or the coaching staff couldn't care less.
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Postby therealdeal on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:14 pm

It was a flagrant two and he deserves a suspension.
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Postby CarolinaLakerFan on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:18 pm

Tim Legler was very harsh on Dwight this morning on ESPN. Said that Howard was a malcontent, immature, a shell of himself, etc. Also said that Pringles is growing tired of him. BS!!! Every interview I've seen D12 do, he has been the guy saying don't panic and be patient.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby revgen on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:21 pm

Going strictly by the rules, it was a flagrant 2. No play on the ball. He hit the face of the opposing player.

I don't think it was a malicious foul by Dwight where he intended to hurt Faried, but rules are rules.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:58 pm

therealdeal wrote:It was a flagrant two and he deserves a suspension.


I disagree. It was a FLagrant for sure and I can see why the refs ejected him because of the contact to the head. However, Dwight didn't follow through once contact was made he just kept his hands out. I think the face was incidental not intentional. In my opinion the reaction is based off the outcome of the foul not the actual foul. Hell JR Smiths foul on Kobe on Christmas had more intent than that with a hit to the head and JR only got a basic foul call.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby pound4pound1 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:07 pm

i thought it was just a regular foul...Dwight gets hacked like that all the time and sometimes they dont even call anything...Faried falling down with hair flopping around like he got shot made the refs react that way
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby DarthRekal on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:34 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:It was a flagrant two and he deserves a suspension.


I disagree. It was a FLagrant for sure and I can see why the refs ejected him because of the contact to the head. However, Dwight didn't follow through once contact was made he just kept his hands out. I think the face was incidental not intentional. In my opinion the reaction is based off the outcome of the foul not the actual foul. Hell JR Smiths foul on Kobe on Christmas had more intent than that with a hit to the head and JR only got a basic foul call.

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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby John3:16 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:37 pm

DarthRekal wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:It was a flagrant two and he deserves a suspension.


I disagree. It was a FLagrant for sure and I can see why the refs ejected him because of the contact to the head. However, Dwight didn't follow through once contact was made he just kept his hands out. I think the face was incidental not intentional. In my opinion the reaction is based off the outcome of the foul not the actual foul. Hell JR Smiths foul on Kobe on Christmas had more intent than that with a hit to the head and JR only got a basic foul call.

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Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:37 pm

therealdeal wrote:It was a flagrant two and he deserves a suspension.

That's a joke right?

Dwight definitely should've been ejected and he obviously was, but how can you suspend him when Dwayne Wade did something worse and was even given a single technical foul? You can't.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby Center Court on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:38 pm

Is it going to take all season for Howard to feel like his old self again – and if so, will his new self never bring consistent effort in making the little plays that help teams win?

Or does it run deeper than that ... and is the limited activity his response to teammates' defensive failures next to him and not having an offense featuring him in the post, where he most wants the ball?

Or is Howard simply content with being a Laker and having the majority of the pressure falling on Bryant and Nash to save the season? And will Howard wait until he is "the man" and Bryant is retired before truly accepting the responsibility of playing like a superstar every night?


Million dollar question.

As for the foul, tht was the weakest flagrant 2 ever. I think Dwight went to go for the block, couldn't get up in time, and simply stuck is hands outwards. I don't think his intention was to rough him up. He was a timing and fatigue situation.

Hell, Dwight was having a good game.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby karacha on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:42 pm

Now you know what happens to our D when Dwight is not in the game.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby Helljumper on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:44 pm

We need to get him going offensively. Our offense should be Nash/Dwight P&R or feed Dwight in the post. Treat him like the first option for a few games. It might not be the most effective offensive gameplan, but we need Dwight to get his mojo back.
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Re: Dwight Howard Discussion: FT stroke found! - pg768

Postby venky on Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:57 pm

He's a mental midget and a clown. Doesn't deserve to be compared to Shaquille O'Neal. I never got those comparisons in the first place, the difference between them is night and day.
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