Dwight: Staying or Going?

Is Dwight staying or going? And what do you want?

Poll ended at Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:58 am

Staying, and I want him to stay
25
36%
Going, but I want him to stay
35
50%
Staying, but I want him to go
1
1%
Going, and I want him to go
8
11%
 
Total votes : 69

Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby Weezy on Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:46 am

I'd like him to stay, but after hearing about how he wants to be "happy" above all, hearing what Kobe's pitch was to him about learning what it takes to win, and the fact that 'Antoni is still our coach has changed my belief from yesteday and I believe he will most likely walk.
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby Savory Griddles on Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:53 am

marcelo wrote:Although Bogut and Biedrins are expiring, the problem is the tax the Lakers would have to pay because on one of these guys. If you don't consider that, of course it would be great. You keep your cap space for 2014 and still get a young piece (the very least, a very movable asset).


The Lakers can lessen their tax burden by amnestying MWP.

And to be honest, A starting 5 of Pau, Barnes, Kobe, Klay and Nash with Hill, Bogut and a mini-mle player off the bench has a puncher's chance at a ring if Barnes and Klay continue to develop in the offseason and we stay healthy. The chances of that team with Bogut and Nash staying healthy is slim to none, that's why I call it a puncher's chance. :mhihi:
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby Weezy on Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:16 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
marcelo wrote:Although Bogut and Biedrins are expiring, the problem is the tax the Lakers would have to pay because on one of these guys. If you don't consider that, of course it would be great. You keep your cap space for 2014 and still get a young piece (the very least, a very movable asset).


The Lakers can lessen their tax burden by amnestying MWP.

And to be honest, A starting 5 of Pau, Barnes, Kobe, Klay and Nash with Hill, Bogut and a mini-mle player off the bench has a puncher's chance at a ring if Barnes and Klay continue to develop in the offseason and we stay healthy. The chances of that team with Bogut and Nash staying healthy is slim to none, that's why I call it a puncher's chance. :mhihi:


I don't know about a chance at a ring, but If we were able to get Klay and Barnes I would actually say we'd be a better team than this season, or at least no worse

Nash/Blake/Sasha
Kobe/Meeks
Klay/Barnes
Hill/Kelly
Pau/Bogut/Sacre

And then of course you add 2 or 3 more players with minimum deals in the front court, maybe one with the mini MLE to fill out the roster. I dunno I don't think that's a bad start for our future, Pau and Bogut expire or you trade Pau at the deadline if we suck, no harm done. I could be wrong and way off here, but I personally wouldn't mind that team at all, might even be more fun to watch. We certainly wouldn't be a defensive juggler knot though.
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:39 pm

It's tough, but I believe he stays and I want him to stay.
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby Snake Eyes on Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:34 pm

I have been pretty indifferent so far. But now that we are 24 hours until his decision, I guess I hope he re-signs. I believe he can get healthier and play better. I think he is too afraid of what might happen to his image if he leaves. I think he will stay.
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby marcelo on Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:50 pm

Weezy and Savory: I would really enjoy seeing that team. Even if it's just Klay and Bogut. I just don't think the Lakers will do that because of the heavy tax penalties. But it would be great. You get one or two young assets, maintain your flexibility for 2014, and still put together a good team.
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby lakersyunowin on Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:07 pm

gut feeling: he's leaving.

i don't know that he's even the person that can carry the franchise, but what other options do we have at this point.
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby unpossibl1 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:07 pm

Obviously the best case scenario is the Lakers sign Dwight, but I strongly believe that IF Dwight signs the Lakers need to be ready to deal him for as many picks/young players as they can get. Dwight just hasn't shown that he has what it takes to be a champion, or that he evenwants to be one.

Unfortunately the Lakers have dealt most of their first round picks away. It's time for that to change. The Lakers need to stockpile picks and start over. Send Dwight to GS if need be, get some combination of Barnes/Thompson/picks ( send Bogut to a third team for a pick and TPE). Tell Kobe to take his time coming back and deal.Pau/Nash for whatever picks they can get (if they will even get that now).

Who knows, maybe Dwight stays and becomes the guy Kobe challenged him to be, but i don't see it. I think he runs away, and just hope its to Golden State so the Lakers can get something back and truly start a.rebuild.
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby diehard on Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:34 pm

Who cares...dude is the next Shawn Kemp - amazing athlete, won't win anything, and has like 7 kids with 4 baby mamas...get out of town and stay out of town you fricking 48% free throw shooting bum!
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby denimPortugal on Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:05 pm

I think he's gone. Unfortunately!

Pau will be our center without DH?
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby kobe_mamba on Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:14 pm

denimPortugal wrote:I think he's gone. Unfortunately!

Pau will be our center without DH?


This.

D12 needs to make this bleep decision already, I mean seriously......?!

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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby trodgers on Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:47 pm

I think he's gone, and I'm not sure I care. If he's staying, I want an insanely motivated Dwight. And that would make me happy. If he's leaving, screw him.
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:54 pm

trodgers wrote:I think he's gone, and I'm not sure I care. If he's staying, I want an insanely motivated Dwight. And that would make me happy. If he's leaving, screw him.

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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:59 pm

It is a weird feeling that us Lakers fans haven't had in a long time where in less than 24 hours from right now this Lakers team will either be back in contention or have to wait a year from now so we can retool and rebuild from the 2014 list.

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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby last stand on Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:05 pm

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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:10 pm

It's because Dr. Jerry Buss died... He always saved the day for us. We don't have that anymore. He was the "Lakers" players of not so distant past, wanted to play for...
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:14 pm

last stand wrote:I've never seen laker fans as a whole so pessimistic

Yeah, this has been one of the most annoying things about this Dwight stuff. We'll be fine :jam2:
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby kakafung on Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:38 pm

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:It's because Dr. Jerry Buss died... He always saved the day for us. We don't have that anymore. He was the "Lakers" players of not so distant past, wanted to play for...

yeah...who can be that man save the lakes right now :man9:
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby SpencerHarrison on Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:27 pm

If I was Dwight, I'd go to Houston. It just seems like the kind of low expectation, hijinx filled nonsense he digs. And, realistically, I think that they are a better squad with him next year than LA can be. Going forward, obviously Houston isn't the gold standard for franchises.

The highest value for LA is him staying.

As a fan of the team? I honestly don't care. He brings a lot defensively and generally makes the squad better, but he has truck sized holes in his game that aren't getting patched up in an offseason. He doesn't seem to have the top gear and mental tenacity required to assassinate opponents. I'm not saying he's a mental midget and a loser, but he's not my pick to go out and close a game 7. The difference between a top ranked tennis player, and the 5th ranked. It isn't much, but it's the difference between gold and silver.
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby kakafung on Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:42 pm

honestly i also want him to win and triumph in here
i know may be he's not the guy can close the game at the end
it doesn't matter in our roster if they can get healthy
he's really giving the team tremendous help both in defensively and offensivly
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:32 pm

Dwight is gone. He doesn't want to play with Kobe & doesn't want to play for MDA.
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby Snakell Beast on Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:14 am

OK, assuming Dwight wants to leave, and it appears he does, the Lakers need to reconsider a sign and trade. Now, most of the deals involve players that are at best moderately attractive assets with longer term deals that would kill the Lakers flexibility for the 2014 – see Lin/Asik from Houston.

There is, however, a win-win situation available to the Lakers. Why not sign and trade Dwight to the Warriors. Now, most people have the Warriors offering Andrew Bogut with either Harrison Barnes or Klay Thompson, or even both (laughable, but nonetheless people out there like to speculate pretty wildly) but this isn't the best deal to make.

I believe the Lakers should trade Dwight Howard, to the Warriors for the expiring contracts of Richard Jefferson and Andres Biedrins, along with Brandon Rush and next year's first round pick.

This deal works well because it allows Howard to play with a great young nucleus in California with the added security of the fifth year on his deal...it also allows the Lakers to use one deal to solve all of their roster issues, as well as leaving them with the financial flexibility to maintain their 2014 plans with two first round draft picks (in a deep and talented draft) and Kobe/Pau/Jefferson/Biedrins/Rush contracts expiring before next season.

Howard would JUMP at this deal, because he would be playing on a team that included ALL THREE of the Warriors young nucleus (Barnes, Curry AND Thompson) as well as the ability to acquire assets (draft picks and a trade exception) from the Jazz for Andrew Bogut's expiring deal. The Warriors starting five of Curry, Thompson, Barnes, Lee and Howard would be serious contenders.

The Lakers might not be contenders, but they should make the playoffs with a roster of Nash, Kobe, Brandon Rush, Jordan Hill and Pau Gasol, with Jodie Meeks, Richard Jefferson, Jordan Hill and Andres Biedrins (along with their MMLE addition, Ryan Kelly and a few minimum deals rounding out the roster) as the bench unit.

Lakers Roster for 2014:

Nash / ??? / ???
Kobe / Meeks / ???
Rush / RJ / ???
Hill / Kelly / ???
Gasol / Biedrins / Sacre

That is a roster that totally fits D'Antoni's system, is completely set up for flexibility in 2014 and that can actually make the playoffs this season...especially depending on the players the Lakers added in free agency. What do you think?
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:19 am

Snakell Beast wrote:OK, assuming Dwight wants to leave, and it appears he does, the Lakers need to reconsider a sign and trade. Now, most of the deals involve players that are at best moderately attractive assets with longer term deals that would kill the Lakers flexibility for the 2014 – see Lin/Asik from Houston.

There is, however, a win-win situation available to the Lakers. Why not sign and trade Dwight to the Warriors. Now, most people have the Warriors offering Andrew Bogut with either Harrison Barnes or Klay Thompson, or even both (laughable, but nonetheless people out there like to speculate pretty wildly) but this isn't the best deal to make.

I believe the Lakers should trade Dwight Howard, Metta World Peace and Steve Blake to the Warriors for the expiring contracts of Richard Jefferson and Andres Biedrins, along with Brandon Rush, a resigned Carl Landry (with a team option in 2014), A resigned Jarrett Jack (team option in 2014) and next year's first round pick.

This deal works well because it allows Howard to play with a great young nucleus in California with the added security of the fifth year on his deal...it also allows the Lakers to use one deal to solve all of their roster issues, as well as leaving them with the financial flexibility to maintain their 2014 plans with two first round draft picks (in a deep and talented draft) and Kobe/Pau/Jefferson/Biedrins/Rush contracts expiring before next season as well as the ability to opt out of the contracts with Landry and Jack.

Howard would JUMP at this deal, because he would be playing on a team that included ALL THREE of the Warriors young nucleus (Barnes, Curry AND Thompson) as well as the ability to acquire assets (draft picks and a trade exception) from the Jazz for Andrew Bogut's expiring deal. The Warriors starting five of Curry, Thompson, Barnes, Lee and Howard would be serious contenders.

The Lakers might not be contenders, but they should make the playoffs with a roster of Nash, Kobe, Brandon Rush, Carl Landry and Pau Gasol, with Jarrett Jack, Jodie Meeks, Richard Jefferson, Jordan Hill and Andres Biedrins (along with their MMLE addition, Ryan Kelly and a few minimum deals rounding out the roster) as the bench unit.

Lakers Roster for 2014:

Nash / Jack / ???
Kobe / Meeks / ???
Rush / RJ / ???
Landry / Kelly / ???
Gasol / Hill / Biedrins

That is a roster that totally fits D'Antoni's system, is completely set up for flexibility in 2014 and that can actually make the playoffs this season...especially depending on the 3 or 4 players the Lakers added in free agency. What do you think?


I don't think we can receive any players in a "sign and trade".
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby Snakell Beast on Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:27 am

Rooscooter wrote:I don't think we can receive any players in a "sign and trade".


Wow, thanks I forgot about that part of it. Well, the main components still work Dwight, for 2014 first rounder and contracts of RJ, Andres and Rush. We could keep Artest and Blake and use our Mini-MLE to sign Calderon. Then if we could sign K-Mart (or another veteran at the 4) we'd still have decent playoff caliber roster with a few more options in free agency at the minimum level.

Nash / Calderon / Blake
Kobe / Meeks / Open Roster Spot
Rush / RJ / Artest
Hill / K-Mart / Kelly
Pau / Biedrins / Sacre

Still a great roster considering losing Dwight and having two first rounders next year and total cap flexibility. If we wanted to save money, we could amnesty Artest or Blake...but I like the roster the way it is...bet of a bad situation IMHO.
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Re: Dwight: Staying or Going?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:30 am

No offense Snakkell, but that's a terrible trade for us. Even if we could receive players in a sign and trade (and we can't) we'd have to give a long term deal to Carl Landry. Rush is worse than any of the other prospects we SHOULD ask for in return. Biedrins is legitimately garbage and so is Jefferson.

I don't want ANY part of that deal.
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