therealdeal wrote:Always a strong way to start your argument.
therealdeal wrote:Based on what evidence. Have you seen Biedrins play lately? On a team with Festus Ezeli as your primary big man, Biedrins CAN'T EVEN GET OFF THE BENCH. The dude is plain garbage.
He is a body used as a way to entice GS to deal us a first rounder in 2016. His talent level is higher than Sacre at this point, whether you believe it or not. Mainly, he had a clash with the organization...that's why he's not playing. They don't like his attitude or work ethic, but I don't care. He's better than the d-league guy we could afford to replace Dwight with if we lose Howard for nothing.
therealdeal wrote:Jefferson is NOT fine. He fell out of the rotation in San Antonio because he was an offensive liability and his defense wasn't as strong or useful as it used to be. He's garbage. It's why he can't even SPLIT time with a rookie as a multi-year vet in the NBA. He can't get off the bench either even with BRANDON RUSH GOING DOWN AT THE START OF THE SEASON.
Richard Jefferson wasn't traded out of San Antonio because he can't play. San Antonio moved him because they got Kawai Leaonard (mainly because they needed to surround Duncan and Ginobili with younger players) and RJ didn't fit the bill as an expensive bencher. Age added to age doesn't really work, especially on a team that doesn't have a superstar to take the pressure away from the role players.
Also, considering RJ would be attached to a 2014 first rounder AND replacing an amnestied MWP, it's a SERIOUS value upgrade in my opinion. Golden State made many statements over the past few seasons explaining that Richard Jefferson wasn't playing because they wanted to develop their younger players, and that is was not representative of his ability.
therealdeal wrote:I disagree. You see, Brandon Rush is a decent shooter/scorer who comes at a cheap price so he's ideal for being next to Howard who is none of those things.
Not sure what you're saying here. You think Howard would be excited to essentially trade Harrison Barnes for Brandon Rush. Pipe dreamin' there buddy.
therealdeal wrote:There's no evidence of that.
Yes, there is. There have been NUMEROUS reports in the media leading up to the past few days saying that Dwight wouldn't be willing to be part of a sign and trade if it meant gutting the young core that the Warriors currently have.
therealdeal wrote:The main reason to take ANY deal is to begin the rebuild. You don't rebuild with s***ty old veterans and one okay young player.
You see, there is this little thing called a salary cap. We can't just trade Dwight for their first rounders, we need to trade salary for salary in this instance. That means we have to receive equivalent salary for Dwight's 20+ million from GS.
Bogut is an injury waiting to happen at 14 mil, so he is a waste of time for the Lakers, especially since The roster would have the same issues with Bogut/Gasol that they had with Howard Gasol, as well as more defensive issues than they had before. Also, Bogut is not a fit for D'Antoni's system either...plus Utah is willing to trade picks to get him.
GS would be foolish not to try to get Dwight AND the assets from Utah, especially since two first rounders are more enticing to a now rebuilding Lakers than Bogut's expiring contract. Also, the added assets make Dwight more amenable to a trade to GS. David Lee would be a willing sacrifice from GS, but he tanks LA's 2014 plans, so no dice there either. Howard has already said Barnes or Thompson cannot be included in the deal or he will sign with Houston.
That leaves RJ and Biedrins (both expiring contracts) as the only contracts left for the Lakers to use to get those first rounders, which is a GREAT way to rebuild. The old crappy players you mention are a way for LA to get a first rounder in a deep draft AND a future first rounder...that, in case you didn't know, is called rebuilding...especially considering the Lakers also get a promising young player (Rush) who ALSO happens to expire after this season, so the Lakers can add some free agents and then resign Rush for more than anyone else.
therealdeal wrote:Who is playing any type of "scorched Earth game of chicken"?
Asking for a good return for trading the best Center in the game isn't that big of deal. We'd be making an awful, ridiculous mistake if we traded Howard and didn't get back a single young prospect that's worth a damn. The Lakers will let Dwight WALK before they take back a package that has anything less than a legitimate prospect in it. It's not worth the money.
You are. You are saying that unless they give us two young prospects who, together, are arguably as good or better than the player they are getting, then they won't get the "the best center in the game". We have no negotiating leverage here. Dwight is leaving. He is being gracious in offering us the ability to get something in return for his departure. We already have to rebuild next year, so having an extra first rounder in next year's deep draft, a 2016 (or other future) first rounder AND the contract rights to a young, athletic shooter/scorer is definitely already enough compensation from GS, especially considering that they would also be helping us shave salary/tax penalties off our books, via an Artest Amnesty.
Now, since the latest reports are saying that GS will offer a first rounder PER expiring (Biedrins AND RJ) then we should strongly demand TWO first rounders (2014 & 2016) in the deal. That would be more fair, it's just that since GS knows we are losing Dwight no matter what, we have no leverage so we might get hosed since GS can use Houston against us in negotiations. It's called a fire sale. Ultimately, it depends on who blinks first, LA or Golden State. I hope GS, but we are also in a precarious position.
PEOPLE need to realize my deal is not to get Biedrins and Richard Jefferson, it is to get the DRAFT PICKS and MAINTAIN cap flexibility. Houston can't offer that with Lin and Asik, and GS wouldn't and Shouldn't trade Barnes OR Thompson for a player they might be able to get on their own.
This deal (Howard for RJ, Biedrins, Rush 2014 & 2016 First round picks) gives LA the ability to save money with an amnesty of Artest and replace him with a player of similar age/value (RJ) who fits their offense better AND comes attached to a first rounder in next year's deep talented draft. The Lakers also receive a young player who can give them minutes at the 2 and 3, as well as outside shooting...which in this system, and with this roster sans Howard, is at a premium.
Biedrins has more value than whatever d-league player we would get to fill Howard's vacated roster spot, as capped strapped as we are, so I'm fine with him, especially since he comes with another first rounder in 2016. Beggars can't be choosers.
Dwight WHO??? Good riddance. Rumblings of Carmelo (and others surely to follow) combined with visions of 3 or 4 more years watching Mamba going Vino next to a crop of young athletic ballers makes the precious blinding light at the end of the tunnel glare off of my newly minted shiny happiness!!! #redemption 4 Swaggy P, Pau, Nash, Wes Johnson, Farmar and Lakers as a team and FA destination!