Earl Clark Discussion: Cavs sign Clark 2 yrs 9 mil (p. 54)

Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:37 pm

he'll stay with us. first team to give him a real chance. he wont forget that bc he doesnt against teams that didnt. him next to dwight with nash is solid too.
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:39 pm

With Clark, Hill, Howard.. We're set for the future with bigs.

Another good game today.. His defense on Lebron was great to see, & he stepped up & hit some big shots. Loved it when he stopped Dwight from getting on Nash for not passing to him. He's such a huge part of this turnaround we're trying to make.
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:42 pm

Earl's the man. Love this guy.
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:24 am

Use the amnesty on Ron to give Clark a better contract if needed
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby therealdeal on Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:56 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:Use the amnesty on Ron to give Clark a better contract if needed

Ron will be an expiring next season just like Pau. No need to amnesty anybody.
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby KB24 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:11 pm

therealdeal wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:Use the amnesty on Ron to give Clark a better contract if needed

Ron will be an expiring next season just like Pau. No need to amnesty anybody.

oh well there are 2 reason to amnesty and a pretty big one.

Starting in 2013-14, teams more than $4 million above the tax level cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade transaction.

Also starting in 2013-14, teams pay an incremental tax that increases with every $5 million above the tax threshold ($1.50, $1.75, $2.50, $3.25, etc.). Under that system, a team that exceeds the luxury tax threshold by $25 million would have to pay a tax bill of about $64 million!!!!!!!.

A team $20 million over the threshold would owe $45 million, while a team $10 million over the threshold would owe $16.25 million. So don’t expect to see any payrolls approaching $100 million in the near future.

If that happened, it could create a scenario in which the taxpaying team like the Lakers would be paying more in luxury taxes than its actual payroll. For example, if the tax threshold was $75 million and we managed to field a payroll of $115 million on the Lakers, the tax charge in that instance would be about $135 million. And don't get me started on repeaters (4 years within 5)....those teams are in danger for bankrupcy.

Suddenly Artest's 8 mio. make a major difference in taxes.
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby therealdeal on Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:16 pm

No, the point is we can just trade him. As you pointed out, finances become a huge deal in the NBA. We just move an 8 million dollar expiring contract if we want to this summer.

Just like we're likely to move a 19 million dollar one.
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby KB24 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:21 pm

therealdeal wrote:No, the point is we can just trade him. As you pointed out, finances become a huge deal in the NBA. We just move an 8 million dollar expiring contract if we want to this summer.

Just like we're likely to move a 19 million dollar one.


The problem is unless we find someone who takes Artest for a pick we would have to bring back some salary which defeats the purpose (getting rid of salary). But I personally don't see many teams lining up for Artest especially since the luxery tax issue will likely hit most good teams (with potential short-term interest for Artest) and bad teams are 1. stingy/cheap when it comes to more salary and 2. they have no use for an old hot head when rebuilding with young players.

I firmly believe regardless of how Artest plays he is gone. Could the Lakers amnesty Gasol instead? hopefully/likely not but it really wouldn't shock me looking at those numbers. We have to really unload some contracts.

If Howard walks problems are solved. But guys like Duhon and Blake really hurt us when they give us nothing but earn 7 mio. + taxes. Blake could be amnestied too and it makes sense BUT his contract is easier to move or stomach compared to Artest
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby therealdeal on Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:25 pm

Well we'd have to take back a contract we weren't especially fond of, that's probably the draw back. But there's teams out there who'd take his expiring for sure. Whether or not they utilized him wouldn't be our concern.

If Luke Walton's almost expiring contract was worth something last season, Artest's will be worth something this season. Yes, we have to take salary back, but if it's less salary for more years I think that's a fair trade.

I'll look for one later today, but I can't think of one that might work off the top of my head.
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby khmrP on Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:28 pm

Metta/Ebanks/Morris for Dunleavy/Gooden (preferable Dalembert but to much good value from Milw). Thats only depended on what kind of dirt Mitch has on Bucks GM :man1:
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:46 pm

therealdeal wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:Use the amnesty on Ron to give Clark a better contract if needed

Ron will be an expiring next season just like Pau. No need to amnesty anybody.


I wouldn't be surprised if :

-Ron gets amnestied

if D12 stays :

- Pau goes in a trade for a starting SF , backup C AND less salary back .

I wouldn't blame our FO for it ... spent 130 M this season for such poor results on the floor
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:51 pm

therealdeal wrote:If Luke Walton's almost expiring contract was worth something last season, Artest's will be worth something this season. Yes, we have to take salary back, but if it's less salary for more years I think that's a fair trade.

Yeah, didn't we turn Luke into Sessions? I think even after this season Ron has greater value than Luke did at the time of the trade.

Ron+Morris for some kind of athletic bench wing & picks?
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby XXIV on Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:52 pm

Chillbongo wrote:
therealdeal wrote:If Luke Walton's almost expiring contract was worth something last season, Artest's will be worth something this season. Yes, we have to take salary back, but if it's less salary for more years I think that's a fair trade.

Yeah, didn't we turn Luke into Sessions? I think even after this season Ron has greater value than Luke did at the time of the trade.

Ron+Morris for some kind of athletic bench wing & picks?


I don't see anyone giving us picks for Ron and Morris. With the new CBA picks are way too valuable to be used in throw ins like this.
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:11 pm

Not even a 2nd rounder from a playoff team? What if for example, BKN wants to clear books in 2014. For example (no idea how contracts match), Marshon Brooks, another player, and a 2nd rounder for MWP and Morris?

An $8M expiring contract is pretty useful in the new CBA as well....
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:15 pm

^I think Metta has to be attached with someone or something; for instance, if you can move him with Pau and bring better pieces to round out this roster, that could work. If we had any draft picks, I think a team would be more inclined to take on his expiring K, IMO.
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:18 pm

A 3 team with Pau and Metta might work.

Pau & Metta for a starting 3. See how the Dwama ( :man12: ) plays out and determine our center after he decides where he plays.
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby borri on Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:28 pm

Hate to be a party pooper but let's move the Ron trade ideas to the MWP thread.

I want to talk about Earl here. He's more than deserved it from us on CL. :bow:
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby therealdeal on Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:34 pm

^ Great call, borri. :jam2:
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:42 pm

Has anyone bought an Earl Clark jersey?
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby therealdeal on Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:47 pm

:man10:

No.

I think I might though if this kid stays around. He's really been the only bright spot this season.
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:53 pm

Chillbongo wrote:Has anyone bought an Earl Clark jersey?


I did ... I put it the other day at work and left my desk at 11 am .

My boss asked me " where are you going at 11 am ?"

I replied " I thought it was lunch time" and run back to my desk
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:23 pm

Word, re-sign him and I'm on it.

This kid could really be the next great Laker role player a la Horry/Byron Scott, etc.
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby borri on Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:39 pm

One of these days, a reporter will wise up and ask Earl this question:

"Earl, you've been with D12 in ORL when it got bitter. Can you elaborate on if there is any difference between how he was then and how he is now?"

I hope Earl won't say..."no comment."
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby Juronimo on Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:41 pm

He should say "Both teams played hard".
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Re: Earl Clark Discussion: "they call me Easy"

Postby borri on Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:44 pm

Juronimo wrote:He should say "Both teams played hard".


Yeah. Anything but "no comment" cuz people will assume something bad.
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