Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup? (Nope its MWP! Pg. 5)

Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby LTLakerFan on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:16 am

Then good ^^^. Let him play damn backup at the 3 where he should be and stop defending Potato Head's rotations including freaking putting Ebanks at the 2 backup when the organization brought in Meeks for that. Just because it's pre-season doesn't excuse it. He flys by the seat of his pants also during the regular season and never maximizes the bench. Get Meeks comfortable where he's supposed to be playing as soon as possible and same thing with Ebanks.
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:35 am

^ Why is that funny?
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby LTLakerFan on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:40 am

:man10: What part of what most of us are saying here do you find "laughable". Get over yourself
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby JSM on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:42 am

Season hasn't even started and Brown is already trying to get himself fired. No set rotations, playing every bench player out of position, possibly not playing our second best bench player the minutes he should be receiving. Yuck!

If Dwight plays with the 2nd unit, Jamison should sub in. If Pau is playing with the 2nd unit, Hill should sub in.

Ebanks should sub in for MWP. Meeks for Kobe. CDR for Meeks/Ebanks. Blake for Nash. Duhon for Blake or if Blake is sucking donkey you know what, then Duhon for Nash.

It's not rocket science.
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:51 am

^ I agree, but it's early.

We'll see how these things look opening night vs. Dallas. I'm not going to really get worried until I see Ebanks there behind Kobe and Jamison subbing in for Metta.
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby JGC on Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:17 pm

lakerswiz wrote:Carmelo scored twice in 12 minutes on Ebanks. That's steamrolling him out of the way? One layup and one pull up three pointer? Steamrolling him out of the way?

You mention two guys. (Pietrus?!) Out of the 350 in the NBA. And you want to put that same pressure on Ebanks? A third year player that hasn't even played enough minutes to equal a month of playing time for most NBA stars and you want to extend that same expected level of play? That seemingly one one guy in the league really has?

You're basing your opinion of Ebanks on conjecture right now. He hasn't played against Anthony enough, never played against LeBron and saying that he wouldn't be able to guard him based on the fact that you don't think he's strong enough is just silly. Where is the proof of this. Show me the examples of him getting steamrolled by a bigger guard on the perimeter.

And Mickael Pietrus? lol. Anthony only averaged 44 points per 36 minutes against him this season on 56% shooting. And he drew 4.1 fouls on him in 36 minutes. And Pietrus + James didn't play this year.

And I don't care what Kevin Durant looks like. That adds nothing to the argument. In fact, just proves the point even further. Kevin Durant is probably half as strong as Ebanks right now and he's still out there tearing up the likes of LeBron, DWade, Carmelo and World Peace - those guys that are strong and don't get steamrolled out of the way. And yet Ebanks was able to shut down his shooting?


Just curious. Who did a better job of shutting down their opponent's shooting?

Devin Ebanks
vs Kevin Durant (Finished game with 35 points on 34 shots, shot 32.4% FG)

OR

Marco Belinelli
vs Kobe Bryant (Finished game with 11 points on 21 shots, shot 14.3% FG).

I'm guessing you're going to pick Belinelli.
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby kray28 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:08 pm

That was the infamous 0-15 game where Kobe hit the gamewinner?
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:23 pm

A discussion thread wouldn't be complete without JGC bringing up Kobe only to bring him down.
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:14 pm

Wait.... are we really debating Ebanks defense and comparing it to Kobe? Really? A kid who's played less minutes EVER than Kobe plays in a month?.... Really?! A second year player that couldn't even start in the "D League"?!.... Really?!

Ebanks hasn't shown any consistency on defense at all..... a couple great plays don't make him an even adequate defender much less even an average NBA defender....
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:57 am

lakerswiz wrote:
therealdeal wrote:^ Why is that funny?

Because everyone is still seemingly under the impression that the 2/3 have a difference. The players themselves said it's the same thing, lol. That Brown will throw out the next 3 guys off the bench at the same time, which based by the stats from last year only happened for 10% of the season, doesn't included garbage time, and was about the 20th most popular lineup the team had.

This isn't going to be a five for five swap. One player comes off the bench. Then the next. Then the quarter ends. Two original starters are back in. One or two from the 1st quarter stay in. One of the bench guys stays in the game and the other is subbed for the 8th man.

The fact that everyone's pissed about Meeks and Ebanks when Brown said himself Meeks is ahead of him right now and Ebanks is trying to get to the point where he takes the spot. And saying he's open to the idea of it? We get this response from him saying that he's simply open to the idea of playing Ebanks at the 2?

And the whole idea that having a set lineup is going to be possible or that it's going to magically fix the issues we had last year (which are not relevant to this team anymore). This is especially hilarious to me because everyone seems to think Phil wasn't the same way. That he had some 100% for sure set line up 5 months into the future season. Then you go back and realize we played Shannon, Farmar, Odom, Powell, DJ and Sasha all at different spots coming off the bench. It's like everyone forgets that he changed the starting point guard just as the playoffs were starting.

Meeks started last night. Over Ebanks. That's the most :man10: part of the sky that is falling.


Come on be honest here.....although it's against your nature to ever back away even a bit from your arguments. And that's fine & great because you have strong takes and know the game.

But this kind of thinking from Brown vs what Phil would have done with this roster that Mitch did a fabulous job over the summer putting together, doesn't "tense you up" just a little?


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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:53 am

I guess we do the cliche and agree to disagree. I think he tries all this because he will rotate by the seat of his pants on hunches way too often during games again during the actual season. And Brown is no genius to be doing that. And the bench players will always be more nervous about performing or being yanked.
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby Finwë on Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:20 pm

Doc Brown wrote:A discussion thread wouldn't be complete without JGC bringing up Kobe only to bring him down.

Pretty much
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby jlkr on Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:46 pm

Seems to me like Meeks could shut down the talk of other backup 2's if he was having a better training camp...
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:50 pm

jlkr wrote:Seems to me like Meeks could shut down the talk of other backup 2's if he was having a better training camp...


"MEEKS NAILING DOWN BACKUP SG ROLE:
The coaches have been pleased of late with the play of free agent signing Jodie Meeks in practice this week, enough that the former Sixers starter looks like Kobe's backup at shooting guard.

"Jodie has played well," said Mike Brown. "He hasn’t necessarily shot the ball extremely well yet, but his feel, his understanding for what we’re trying to do, his work ethic, his physicality, the way he’s shown (to) defending, he’s capable of getting rebounds and loose balls – it’s been a good thing."

Meeks made only 1 of 7 shots in the second preseason loss, but grabbed five rebounds and played aggressive defense. The difficulty will be figuring out where to get his shots in the new offense so that a rhythm can be more quickly attainable.

"He’s starting to round into form a little bit," explained Bryant. "It took getting used to in terms of getting here, getting used to the new system and where shots are going to come from and getting a rhythm. But he’s coming along."

He's not having a horrible training camp as you seem to think; Also, I'm not overreacting to Mike's Brown experimentation with the roster right now in the 3rd preseason game. I'm just making a point Meeks is proving himself and will only get better...
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:28 pm

Please Meeks have a good game tonight so Potato Head can put you where you belong, at Backup SG.
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby The Rock on Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:28 pm

Good shooting performance but really he hasnt shown great range over the last 2 years for me to believe hes gonna be a legit reliable outside shooter. Today seemed like a fluke. However i like his hustle, defense and activity level. Thats what we need
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby Punk-101 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:30 pm

Punk-101 wrote:If Ebanks truly earns the spot over Meeks it will mean that he is a better 3pt shooter and a better ball handler. If he really is, fine give him the spot over Meeks. I'm HIGLY skeptical.



If Ebanks became a better Sg than Meeks over the summer, fine. Play CDR at the backup 3, Jamison at the 4, and Hill at the 5.

Could this actually be the case? :man4: :freak2:
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby charvin on Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:34 pm

The Rock wrote:Good shooting performance but really he hasnt shown great range over the last 2 years for me to believe hes gonna be a legit reliable outside shooter. Today seemed like a fluke. However i like his hustle, defense and activity level. Thats what we need


It should not have been hard. I mean Ariza was able to gain confidence shooting it over a summer, and they drafted Ebanks hoping him to be a poor man's Ariza.
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby Finwë on Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:37 pm

Nash/Blake (or Goudelock)
Kobe/Meeks
MWP/Ebanks
Gasol/Jamison
Howard/Hill

That would be my 10 man rotation. I wouldn't mind Goudelock at the backup 1 instead of Blake. He can shoot and create his own shot. CDR should battle Ebanks for the backup 3 spot, and the backup 2 is not a lock yet -> Ebanks could play some back up 2, so could Glock.. CDR could too. Keep Sacre.

Cut Nelson, Duhon, Aguilar, Somogyi, MORRIS & Clark. Keep Glock, Sacre & CDR.
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby revgen on Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:42 pm

Nice shooting by Ebanks in the 4th. He became a mid-range shooter last season. And expanded his range to 3pt range this season. Nice to see.
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:52 pm

Where's Weezy and Roos at?? I told you guys my boy was going to look good this season!


he says after 5 pre-season games.
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby Tobias Funke on Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:52 pm

Did he play SG tonight?
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby Weezy on Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:57 pm

therealdeal wrote:Where's Weezy and Roos at?? I told you guys my boy was going to look good this season!


he says after 5 pre-season games.


I'm right here. :man10: He looks like our most consistent bench player this preseason, I really hope he keeps it up at least somewhat and Potato Head doesn't mess with his minutes like last season. Oh an I never had a problem with Ebanks, just Ebanks at the 2, I want him as Metta's backup, not Kobe's, it was working tonight.
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby Finwë on Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:57 pm

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Kobe on Ebanks to @LAIreland: "You saw an improved player. He's been shooting the ball well. Can put the ball on the floor, get to the rim."
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Re: Devin Ebanks might be Kobe's primary backup?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:01 pm

Weezy wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Where's Weezy and Roos at?? I told you guys my boy was going to look good this season!


he says after 5 pre-season games.


I'm right here. :man10: He looks like our most consistent bench player this preseason, I really hope he keeps it up at least somewhat and Potato Head doesn't mess with his minutes like last season. Oh an I never had a problem with Ebanks, just Ebanks at the 2, I want him as Metta's backup, not Kobe's, it was working tonight.

Yeah I agree. I think he and Meeks make a pretty dangerous 2/3 off the bench if Ebanks can keep hitting shots and keep getting to the rim.

Something I noticed about Ebanks is that he's developed a nice little drive too. He gets the ball in the corner and then uses his length to take a lane to the basket. It looks really good. If he can keep shooting like that, he'll free up looks for everyone.

Something that I'm not excited about... where's his athleticism? When we first drafted him he was jumping out of the gym and that was half of why he was compared to Ariza here. I haven't seen that from him and I'd like to.
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