Rooscooter wrote:To the reoccurring theme of ownership. Jerry Buss got started with the momentum that Cooke left. Both of the number 1 picks that netted us Magic and Worthy were the result of the Cooke Ownership not the Buss one. Jerry's first real intervention in the team was the firing of Westhead. That was heralded as a massive mistake by almost everyone.... how could you let a player dictate who your coach was? Especially with a 7-4 record coming off a championship just 16 months earlier. Buss did this to have one last attempt at saving Kareem and it worked.
Our dominance since then.... with the 90's gap... was mostly due to the fact that we could out spend any other team for the most part and the CBA's were not that punitive for over-spenders. That's changed and that change is more important to me than our Owner. Losing Howard wasn't because of ownership other than the decision to go all in last year... that wasn't just a Jimmy decision.
The league has changed.... players have changed and the approach needs to change. I'll give Jimmy a little slack.... losing Howard has little to do with him and I happen to like the fact he stuck by his decision on MDA.... don't get me wrong.... I don't think he's a very good coach but he didn't let Howard walk all over this great franchise and that counts for something with me.
Howard is a good player but he's not the kind you rebuild around IMHO. I've taken some heat over the last year or so about my opinion on this and I still feel the same way. Long term this team is better off without him.
Mitch is the one that needs to change his thinking IMO. The swing for the fences stuff needs to be stopped and we need scouting and drafts to rebuild. Moving our pieces this summer for the future would seem like the best way to do it but I'll give him some slack as well. This is a tough situation that has come at the end of a historic run. The Kobe Era has lasted longer than Showtime.... lets not forget that.... with a miracle it may have one more gasp in it.... who knows?.....
I guess we just see this differently then.
Jerry Buss did not just fall into some awesome thing that JKC built. Yes, the #1 draft pick was there, but Jerry made the decision to draft Magic when even West wanted Moncrief. That was just the first in a long series of right / lucky / savvy decisions JB made. Firing Westhead was forced by Magic, but when West punted to Riley JB was the one with the guts and people evaluation skills to see something in Riley that no one else saw.
I also don't think any of our success was due to simply being in a position to outspend teams. The Knicks have spent more $$$ than any other franchise in the last 40 years with zero trophies to show for it.
Also disagree about Jimmy's role in the MDA / Dwight fiasco. By all accounts I've read Dwight's decision had everything to do with his unwillingness to play for MDA and his lack of confidence in Jim Buss as an owner. We may be better off without D12 in the long run, but Jim Buss wanted him and flat bungled keeping him.
I'm going to completely disagree on Mitch. I just don't get how you can look at the current sad state of this team and conclude the real problem is Mitch swinging for the fences.
Well.... we will have to agree to disagree then....
I will add is that Jimmy wanted Bynum.... Mitch and Co wanted May... No Howard without Bynum. Jimmy was the one that thwarted the Kidd and JO trades for Bynum as well if the "insiders" are to be believed. So I will at least put a couple marks in his ledger for that....
I don't believe Howard for one minute on the Coaching thing.... his issue is with Kobe and not having a "kindred spirit" on the team. The MDA/Ownership stuff was cover IMO. He didn't want to play second fiddle to Kobe for 3 more years and he didn't want to play on a team that wasn't going to be good next year.
Dr. and JW did make some good decisions (I'd still take Wilkens 10 time out of 10 however) but to say we weren't good because we didn't spend money is not really right. Yeah the Knicks spent a bunch recently but we were outspending the Celtics nearly 1.5 to 1 during showtime most of those years. The C's finally had to stop trying to keep up with us as they actually lost money most of those years if Red is to be believed.
I'm not saying we stumbled into our success as you seem to be implying but I'd also say that we made mistakes along the way but those were spaced out by a lot of good decisions.
We'll be fine I think. You seem overly pessimistic... Howard is not the kind of player we need on this team. Our biggest issue is the residue of the Phil era and our run. He didn't like the younger players and player development. Bynum was our only example of developing a decent player in the last 15 years..... that is our problem now... and it's even more of an issue under the new CBA. We got the Chips and now we have to pay for them it seems.
If they play it right we can get the younger players and start over... however the business side of things dictates that the Buss Family meet certain "eyeball" goals with the new TV contract they signed last year.... that will dictate that they get a star of some sort... that is why there was the push for Dwight IMO.... not because they saw him as the next Era's leader.