ESPN best shooting guards

ESPN best shooting guards

Postby KHOBEE on Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:50 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-o ... ing-guards


#3 Question .. Who's the most over rated shooting guard in the NBA?

Here's what Rhat Hut (ESPN) said...Kobe Bryant. Few have ever worked harder and maybe none have ever been more skilled. But despite his greatness, Bryant also is one of the most overrated players of all time. He chucks bad shots and isn't nearly as clutch as the narrative poses. He has pushed two future Hall of Famers out the door and hasn't won much when not flanked by elite "big" talent.

What you guys think?
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby The Original 81 on Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:57 am

KHOBEE wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-o ... ing-guards


#3 Question .. Who's the most over rated shooting guard in the NBA?

Here's what Rhat Hut (ESPN) said...Kobe Bryant. Few have ever worked harder and maybe none have ever been more skilled. But despite his greatness, Bryant also is one of the most overrated players of all time. He chucks bad shots and isn't nearly as clutch as the narrative poses. He has pushed two future Hall of Famers out the door and hasn't won much when not flanked by elite "big" talent.

What you guys think?


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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:08 am

I think the writer has obviously never watched a Lakers game before. Or maybe never watched a NBA game before.

Toronto game last season - Yea not clutch. Maybe go on YouTube, type in Kobe Bryant Clutch Shots and clear your schedule for the next hour or two.

What player in NBA history has won consistently by himself without being flanked by another elite player? And by winning, I mean rings.

ESPN should go back to being the TMZ of sports, because they damn sure don't know a thing about what they cover.
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby KHOBEE on Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:11 am

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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:16 am

Add Kobe and/or Lakers hate= getting hits
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby Battle Tested20 on Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:28 am

3 Things are certain life:

Death, taxes, and Kobe hate.

It's why I always do a facepalm when I hear friends of mine or someone say they get all their sports news from ESPN.
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby Savory Griddles on Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:35 am

I read that article and started scratching my head. Harden has one good year...a year that resulted as the eighth seed. That's Harden's claim to fame. I don't care about the clutch comments. Whatever. But most overrated of all time? How can anyone who averaged 35 pts in a season, scored 81 in a single game, won 5 rings with two two entirely different casts of characters, an MVP...I'm not a huge Kobe jocker, and he does take a lot of bad shots. But this is obviously a Rockets fan hoping to make Harden (his guy) a hero, perhaps elevating his credentials by being a guy that covers him.
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby XXIV on Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:42 am

I just expect these things from ESPN now, the hate they have towards Kobe and the Lakers is just crazy.
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby Psychobroker on Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:00 am

Clearly BSPN is just taking a shot a Kobe while he's down ... since when have they done a "Top SG for <inset upcoming season>??> What a load of BS :mad1:

OF COURSE Kobe won't be considered the best SG next season because he blew out his !@#%$ achilles tendon.
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby gcclaker on Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:07 am

A writer who goes under a name of Rhat Hut can't be taken seriously...
Nor can the Lakers get blamed for always making the right decisions over decades. At some point its not just luck or "gamble", its superior management and superior ownership.
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby Weezy on Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:08 am

Yeah, the 2nd best shooting guard of all time is overrated, please. Typical LEBRONSPN stuff, nothing more. I don't remember any guard playing at that level in his 17th season, but he's hurt and may never be the same so now is the time to kick him while he's down so there's little chance he can get revenge.
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby kray28 on Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:27 am

Slow day for NBA news...so let's write a Kobe hitpiece.
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:38 am

Well if chucking bad shots is grounds for overrating what's leaving the game twice because of off the court problems worth?

These "lists" are really a bad way to evaluate players anyway..... I've followed the game for nearly 40 years and the 2 guards I've seen that have dominated and changed how the game are played are Kobe, Michael and Pistol. Maravich is never included because he played on poor teams that didn't win so that is grounds for disqualification in mosts mind.
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Postby retro_nights on Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:18 pm

thats nothing new in terms of what people say about Kobe though. we've heard that for two decades now.
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby Snakell Beast on Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:04 pm

Calling Kobe overrated is such an easy thing to do, because if someone asks you to explain yourself, you can always back track and claim that you weren't saying he wasn't great or even that he isn't in the top 10 all time...even though that is what you really were implying, just gutlessly.

Honestly, Kobe is more UNDERRATED than he is OVERRATED. Shaq got ALL the credit when the Lakers won, and Kobe got ALL the blame when they lost, despite the fact that Shaq played lazy basketball ALL THE TIME, had a horrible work ethic, a poor demeanor and attitude (quite often) and deliberately sabotaged games when he didn't get what he wanted.

Shaq held Kobe down. If Kobe was Allen Iverson or Tracy McGrady, basically just wanting to score as much as possible with no thought to offensive efficiency or wins and losses, he could have been scoring 40+ points per game on a 38-40 win Lakers team. And what I love is when the Lakers won back to back titles and went to 3 straight finals Gasol was being given credit like Tim Duncan or Shaq by Kobe haters, but now they are talking about Gasol like he is Louis Scola or Boris Diaw in order to bury the Lakers before the first game.

Also every year Kobe was the best individual player in the game, the media kept saying "MVP is the best player on the best team" and then, when LA had the best record in the league and Kobe was the leading scorer and best player on the team, they changed the criteria to who is most important to his team...AFTER LA passed New Orleans in the standings of course. They complained and said it wasn't a lifetime achievement award...even though he was the best player on the best team AND the best individual player in the league AND the leading scorer in the league as well.

Honestly...anyone ignorant enough to think that Kobe is somehow diminished by the quality of his teammates while roundly praising LeBron clearly just has an anti-Kobe bias. Shane Battier and Ray Allen were the most reliable shooters with the game on the line these past two finals (which is DIRECTLY why the Heat have back to back rings) and LeBron has Dwyane Wade in his back pocket to take over games late, if need be. Often they take over at the same time. Kobe has NEVER had that much back court talent with him. It's the equivalent of pairing Jordan with Clyde Drexler in his prime. NOT FAIR IMO.

If Kobe had Wade, Bosh and Allen as teammates (with Mike Miller and Shane Battier making the plays they have made these past two finals series) the media (ESPN mostly, but also NBA Sports, Yahoo, etc.) would be saying that Kobe can't win without shooters to take the important shots late in the game, and that it is really easy to win with an all star team.

To be fair, LeBron does get that kind of two-way treatment as well, the difference being that most of the time his legacy is safe because it pays to overrate him while ripping Kobe as often as possible.
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby Herm24 on Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:08 pm

It's hilarious .. It's easier to become a writer nowadays than a real estate agent .. No credentials needed
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby TIME on Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:22 pm

Rhat Hut... is it this guy?


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“That’s really cool.”
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby raviator on Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:37 pm

Seriously, I literally laughed out loud. The idiocy, the ignorance... I wonder how many "disrespectful!" can SAS get in with this? :man13:
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby pound4pound1 on Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:05 pm

i read my this thread's comments first so i already know the article is a waste of time...muchos garcias CL
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby Finwë on Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:22 pm

Everything you guys said.

Also, TIME, :man10: :man10: Absolutely nailed it.
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby MadMax on Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:44 pm

has the article been removed?
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby King of Clutch on Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:15 pm

What's hilarious for me is the 1st comment on there, in response to the best sg in the game. by Graydon Gordian

"James Harden. The position is in a period of transition. As the older generation of shooting guards -- Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, Manu Ginobili -- has begun to wear down, Harden has emerged as the most dynamic 2 in the game. His vision, playmaking and efficient shooting have propelled him to the top of his position."


vision and playmaking, well I guess he's saying he was a better passer than kobe? Hmm, thats interesting considering kobe averaged 6 assists last season in comparison to harden's 5.8. Well what about his comment about "efficient shooting"? One that I initially suspected to be a knock on kobe. Well harden shot 44% in comparison to Kobe's 46%. Lol how the heck 44% can be deemed efficient shooting is beyond me. Maybe he's just ignorant to statistics. OH BUT WAIT!

His next comment on the most overrated sg in the game.

" Kobe Bryant. Kobe is still a terrific player and may be the second-best shooting guard of all time. However, his defense has declined significantly and, while still a volume scorer, he's never been as efficient a scorer as many would like to believe. Simply put, he's not a top 5 NBA player although many people would make that claim."


Lol oh BSPN. At least TRY to better hide your hate for kobe bryant.

I love how espn is ALL ABOUT STATS when it comes to lebron, but completely ignore it here. Kobe was more efficient than harden, averaged more ppg than harden, averaged more rebounds than harden, averaged more assists than harden, as well as having the success he has had. HOW exactly is Harden the best sg in the nba? LOL! WOW! They've reached a new level of stupidity.
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby wcsoldier81 on Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:33 pm

You all realize both of these ' bloggers" are Spurs/Rockets fans right ?
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby venky on Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:38 pm

Literally the ONLY reason these idiots have is the fact that Kobe is coming off of an achilles tear and since they don't know how good Kobe will be until he comes back, Harden has to be projected as better for this upcoming season.

Nothing about last year says Harden is better.
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Re: ESPN best shooting guards

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:32 am

TIME wrote:Rhat Hut... is it this guy?


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