Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:46 pm

Looking at the Granger deal and comprehending that it took an expiring deal, which we were loaded to the brim with: connecting the dots

Folks not connecting the dots: :man3:

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Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:47 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
Chillbongo wrote:
Helljumper wrote:What would getting Turner even accomplish? Kaman, Hill, and a second rounder for Turner wouldn't help us. We don't cut any salary. We lose an asset in our second rounder. We get a good player who adds wins this year. And then he expires at the end of the offseason. The only argument for that trade would be if you think Turner could be a future building block for us and so you want the right to match his offers as an RFA. Personally I don't think Turner is worth investing our cap space in.

This. And we can still sign him this summer. Glad CL is not the Lakers FO.


Sign him this summer? We have 20 million dollars in Pau Gasol Bird Right's standing in the way of that.

You don't think those rights are going to be waived? Even if Pau is part of the Laker plan, his rights will be waived and he'll be resigned at a much lower cost.
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Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:51 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Looking at the Granger deal and comprehending that it took an expiring deal, which we were loaded to the brim with: connecting the dots

Folks not connecting the dots: :man3:

My shtick at CL: ......


It took an expiring deal and a 2nd round pick. Why would we trade a 2nd round pick for a player that can easily walk this summer, and may not be part of our plan moving forward?
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Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby kenzo on Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:06 pm

... so were Paul, Scola, Lowry and others. Moving on... :disagree:
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Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:24 pm

Doc Brown wrote:It's not about getting Turner because he's some kind of great player and a steal. It's about showing that we aren't content with keep the same s*** as this season. From not trading Pau, to saying they rather have his Bird Rights for a S&T and finally that they would consider resigning him? I'll take Turner for 28 games if it means not having to deal with Pau and holding his bags why he chooses another team and we sit on our a** waiting for some mythical 2016 plan.

We shopped Pau. We were looking to move him. We now can let him expire or we can resign him and keep him. Or we can S&T him for Love or someone else. How is that a bad thing? Not only that, you expect Mitch to be 100% transparent about intentions with Pau? Yeah, that gives him great leverage for a S&T this summer.

If we don't have a clear direction of where we are going with Pau his rights get renounced and we are in the EXACT same place we were in. The DIFFERENCE is we keep a 2nd round pick. The only thing we lose on is Turner's bird rights. But we never secured him as a long-term Laker anyways.
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Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:36 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Looking at the Granger deal and comprehending that it took an expiring deal, which we were loaded to the brim with: connecting the dots

Folks not connecting the dots: :man3:

My shtick at CL: ......


This deal isn't what we wanted. Turner is a fantastic piece but having to resign him this summer or pissing off the fan base is something the front office doesn't want to do. Turner isn't the face of the franchise they want and it's becoming evident that our next move of significant will be for that person..... EVERYTHING else is secondary in their mind.

To me, it's the TV deal talking.... we need a Melo type to get some buzz back in the building so they can keep people watching. Not that it will get us any closer to a championship it will keep the ownership group in mad coin......
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Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:59 pm

Chillbongo wrote:We shopped Pau. We were looking to move him. We now can let him expire or we can resign him and keep him. Or we can S&T him for Love or someone else. How is that a bad thing? Not only that, you expect Mitch to be 100% transparent about intentions with Pau? Yeah, that gives him great leverage for a S&T this summer..


I wish the sign and trade dream of Love would stop. Let's get back to real life here. Sign and trade in this new CBA is crap. It's not just oh we have Pau, we can just trade him to whoever he wants to sign with.

Teams with cap space - Why would they give up anything for Pau, when they can sign him outright? That eliminates teams.

Teams Pau doesn't want to go to - More teams eliminated

Teams without cap space that have nothing, but crap to give back for Pau - More teams eliminated

Teams that don't want to give Pau the deal he's seeking or pay for a 34 year old declining big - More teams eliminated

That doesn't take 1 day to figure out, teams are going to be waiting to see how FA plays out before they make other moves. Pau isn't a day 1 must have, so we are sitting with Pau's 20 million cap hit, instead of making other moves.
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Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:07 pm

^Right and it could be a pipe dream. But if we throw in a Hill, Henry, or Marshall and a pick that deal becomes a lot more feasible for MIN. It's not just Love, Rondo is a possibility. There are others.

If none of those are a possibility by the end of June....we renounce his rights and are in the exact same position. The difference being 1) we retain a 2nd round pick and 2) we can't pay a guy like Turner as much as if the trade went through (bird rights). Wouldn't you rather have that 2nd round pick than a 28 game rental for Turner? Haven't we learned the woes of wasting draft picks on salary dumps?
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Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby 432J on Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:10 pm

wait

they were going to trade turner for kaman? i highly doubt that
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Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:23 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Vasashi17 wrote:Looking at the Granger deal and comprehending that it took an expiring deal, which we were loaded to the brim with: connecting the dots

Folks not connecting the dots: :man3:

My shtick at CL: ......


This deal isn't what we wanted. Turner is a fantastic piece but having to resign him this summer or pissing off the fan base is something the front office doesn't want to do. Turner isn't the face of the franchise they want and it's becoming evident that our next move of significant will be for that person..... EVERYTHING else is secondary in their mind.

To me, it's the TV deal talking.... we need a Melo type to get some buzz back in the building so they can keep people watching. Not that it will get us any closer to a championship it will keep the ownership group in mad coin......


Totally agree with you Roos...

Blockbuster deals get the fanbase excited.
Blockbuster names get the TV people excited.

Its just that when it comes to actually constructing a team, its hit or miss.

As for those that are saying that a Pau S&T trumps a Turner S&T, I beg to differ. To piggy back on what Doc already said, Turner is younger and his contract gives us a lot more flexibility. If we don't want him, we don't match his offer sheet this summer and it comes off the books. If we do match and decide to get assets from the team that offered him that money, we can construct a S&T. If no one offers him a contract that he accepts this summer, then he becomes 8.7M expiring contract next year that we can use for - dare I say it - a deadline deal. If we can't deal him, then he comes off the books for the 2015 summer when Love, Rondo become free agents.

With Pau, its either let him walk or hope that he agrees to construct a S&T with us....far less leverage than a Turner would have given us.....which is yet another contradiction when it comes to management wanting flexibility and assets.
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Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:38 pm

Chillbongo wrote:^Right and it could be a pipe dream. But if we throw in a Hill, Henry, or Marshall and a pick that deal becomes a lot more feasible for MIN. It's not just Love, Rondo is a possibility. There are others.


No, it's not if we throw in this this and this. Minny has 50 million in guaranteed deals without Love, we can't just add this, this and this, it doesn't fit for them. You are arguing about losing picks and how valuable they are and in the same breath saying we should trade a pick for a guy we can get for free the following year. That makes no sense.

Rondo, did you see what the asking price is? The Kings tried to trade Thomas/Mclemore/2 1st rounders and got shot down. We aren't the only team in the league trying to get better and there are plenty of other teams with better assets than we do.

If none of those are a possibility by the end of June....we renounce his rights and are in the exact same position. The difference being 1) we retain a 2nd round pick and 2) we can't pay a guy like Turner as much as if the trade went through (bird rights). Wouldn't you rather have that 2nd round pick than a 28 game rental for Turner? Haven't we learned the woes of wasting draft picks on salary dumps?
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Turner is a RFA, we can pay him the max he can get for the years he's been in the NBA.
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Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby LakersN4 on Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:40 pm

I don't buy this.. We would have either had to send out both Kaman & Hill or Pau to make the numbers work, even with the 6ers being under the minimum salary.. I think they had discussions but nothing was ever close to happening. Not all that upset even if it was.. Turner is a decent young player but not someone I want us to commit money to keeping this summer.
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Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby showtime mamba on Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:55 pm

How do we know the 76er's didn't just go completely cold on the deal. Sure you could have said we could have sweetened the pot, but you can only do that so many times until you get ripped off. With Kaman and even Hill likely gone it does seem like a wasted opportunity. However I back Mitch's track record to have tried everything he could to get a winning deal. This negativity smacks of desperation and frustration. We have had one disappointing year followed by one dreadful year this year (in our last couple). No one decent/average trade will fix us . I am certain we will not become the Bobcats or even the Knicks of the last few decades. Let's not walk away from the poker table yet.
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Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby therealdeal on Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:07 pm

Doc- we're going to waive our rights to Pau immediately. We're not holding on to that cap hit over his Bird Rights. Especially if we have an opportunity to sign somebody.

I know the Bird Rights thing is a big narrative, but only IF we can't find better ways to spend our money. No, Pau isn't a day one pick up, but really nobody is. We can go talk to LeBron and Melo (long-shots but you have to talk to them anyway), we can go talk to Stephenson, Deng, Monroe, and Bledsoe (available targets), and when we figure we can sign those guys we'll just drop the Bird Rights to get them.

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Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:48 pm

Doc Brown wrote:No, it's not if we throw in this this and this. Minny has 50 million in guaranteed deals without Love, we can't just add this, this and this, it doesn't fit for them. You are arguing about losing picks and how valuable they are and in the same breath saying we should trade a pick for a guy we can get for free the following year. That makes no sense.

The Lakers are trying to win in the Kobe Bryant era. If we wait until 2015 we enter Kobe's last season. We won't win a title the first year of putting a new squad together.

If MIN moves Love they are a good $10M+ behind the cap limit....we can throw in a Jordan Hill or Marshall. Pau is not going to earn $10-15M on his next contract.

I named names for examples. I don't even know if Rondo is on our radar, but he isn't the only player we are interested in. You can bet on that. I can see that getting Turner could have benefited us but we're valuing our picks and clearly Turner wasn't part of our plan to build a contender.

Most importantly -- why is it hard to believe that we won't immediately waive Pau?
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Re: Evan Turner Was Close To Being A Laker

Postby The Laker Link on Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:07 am

Doc Brown wrote:And I will be taking the first flight out of Ohio to LA to Stone Cold Stunner all the morons in the FO. Dropped the ball is an understatement.


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