"Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

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Postby Lets Go Lakers on Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:04 pm

Love isn't complete like a Duncan or Garnett, so no, you can't win a championship with him as the lead dog. But neither of those guys won a ring by themselves either. They needed a guard/forward star to compliment them. But most great bigs need another complimentary guard/forward to win rings anyways.

But he's definitely a max player in my book. Anyone who can get 26/13 every night is. People talk about potential with Bledsoe or Monroe but this guy actually doing it. His range is unlimited and his post game is getting better. He's a rebounding machine and his 80% from the FT line.

I'm a big Clipper fan also and if I had a choice between Love and Griffin, based so far on what both guys have done, I would probably take Love. But Griffin has really elevated his level of play this year, especially the last couple of months so that choice is a little more difficult. If Griffin maintains this level of play from now on, I might have to take Griffin but I would not be disappointed one bit with Love either.
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:28 pm

What, Clippers... :boxing1:

Love will be a complimentary star like Pau is. Pair him up with a Parker/Wiggins/George/Durant, you got yourself a team.

I don't believe in star PG's at all. CP3, Deron, DRose, Rondo, Nash...no thanks.
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby Kangaroo Grandkid on Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:35 pm

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Savory Griddles wrote:
therealdeal wrote:I've just got a feeling that's what the Lakers have in mind. I guess some of you guys think Bledsoe isn't getting the max (which would end up costing 4/48 I believe) so if we could get him this summer for 4/44...

We'd have Bledsoe at 11, Kobe at 25, and a rookie at 5 totaling 41 million and leaving roughly 17... Just enough to get Love.

Bledsoe/Kobe/Rookie/Love/Sacre(?)

I like the sound of that.


Not bad, but I don't think there's any way Phoenix doesn't match a 4/44 contract for Bledsoe. No way. I think Monroe is much more attainable simply because the Pistons will want to spend their money on Drummond over Monroe and Smith is already locked in.

Rookie (I pray for Marcus Smart)/Kobe/Henry(?)/Love/Monroe

I see that as a more likely scenario. And to be honest, probably a better overall team. I think Smart may end up being the most valuable player out of this draft. A big, strong pg with all the tools.

I've been tooting a Greg Monroe horn around here for a while already. I think he's easily one of the better options the Lakers might have a chance at. I think it's actually pretty likely the guy gets traded at the deadline this year because the Pistons aren't going to give him a max contract and that's what he'll demand.

The problem is that he'll absolutely be worth a max deal. Some people think Bledsoe won't be. If we get a high enough pick to make a difference on our team, we'll need someone to take less than the max so that by the summer of 2015 we have enough for Love.
Summer of 2015-
Monroe: 14.2
Kobe: 25
Rookie: 3.7 (This is the approximate cost for the #3 pick)
Total: 42.9

That only leaves about 15-16 million to get Love. The best deal we can offer him would start in that range. It's possible to get him there.

My dream scenario would be: ???/Kobe/Parker or Wiggins/Love/Monroe

If we could somehow at this point still have retained Marshall, Farmar, Henry, Sacre, and Kelly... I think that's a damn good squad.


And this is exactly why I'm so irritated with Kobe's extension. He bent us over a barrel. Yes, he didn't actually have to negotiate and just signed the contract that the owner's idiot son came up with and that's the problem. There was no reason to offer the extension at that point. They should have waited to see how the year went and how he came back from the injury. And then there's the reality that Kobe is not going to finish his career elsewhere. They should have waited and offered something in the $15-$20M range. This is where you find out whether Kobe really is all about winning more chips in his last few seasons. Instead, he signed yet another contract that hurts the team's options and makes it that much more difficult to surround him with the talent needed to go the distance.

It was a pipedream, but imagine:
Kobe -- 15
Monroe -- 14
Bledsoe -- 11
Love -- 15
Wiggins -- 4

If you can just convince the guys to take a little less because 1) that's a heckuva team that will go far for a long time to come and 2) they'll more than make up any lost salary in endorsements from the huge potential that is LA and 3) they're playing for the Lakers and getting to put their mark on the game as the next super team.

Hey, a guy can dream. But there is no way that happens.
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:39 pm

I won't get sucked into the Kobe debate for money, but it is what it is at this point.

You have to figure out what to do moving forward. Convince guys to take less when Kobe encouraged them not to and set an example that they shouldn't? I doubt it.

You've got to make the numbers work a different way.
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:56 pm

We put a decent team (barring injuries) together with the mini-MLE and minimum contracts. We'll make due.
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:08 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:What, Clippers... :boxing1:

Love will be a complimentary star like Pau is. Pair him up with a Parker/Wiggins/George/Durant, you got yourself a team.

I don't believe in star PG's at all. CP3, Deron, DRose, Rondo, Nash...no thanks.


First…. it explains a lot doesn't it?…. :man10:

Second…. your are my new best friend for the comments on PG's….. :bow:
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby karacha on Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:11 pm

There is nothing wrong with star PGs. Only with star PGs who are your clear first option. All-star PG is always useful as long as they can play with the team without dominating too much. If they can do some combo duties, even better. Rondo and Deron can be valuable pieces on a championship team (Rondo does have a ring and Phil was very high on Deron some years ago). The same goes for combo guards such as Westbrook. Westbrook's team already played in the finals and he is not the #1 option.
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby Kangaroo Grandkid on Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:17 pm

therealdeal wrote:I won't get sucked into the Kobe debate for money, but it is what it is at this point.

You have to figure out what to do moving forward. Convince guys to take less when Kobe encouraged them not to and set an example that they shouldn't? I doubt it.

You've got to make the numbers work a different way.


Sorry, should have ended with more of an "is what it is" vibe. That ship has sailed and there's really no point in crying over spilled milk (except that I like to complain...). I've said it aloud once and I won't say it again. (not here, anyway)

There's a scene in A Beautiful Mind where Nash (the economist, not our favorite PG) is explaining to a group how to pick up women. You don't all go after the hottest one, because she'll revel in the attention and just shoot you all down, while also alienating all her friends. You ignore her, and go after all her friends. But basketball players aren't economists.

I don't know how to make the money work. It's going to be an interesting next few years. I'm hoping we pass on Melo. I don't think Love is alpha-alpha dog we need, and his injury history is a concern, but he does bring a lot to the table at a position of need and he wants to be here. That's worth going after. The draft is before free agency, which is going to dictate whether we go after Monroe OR Bledsoe (I have the right year, right? I don't pay enough attention), except that we have better odds of getting one over the other. Nice little recursive conundrum to be in.
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:23 pm

I agree with what you're saying for the most part. I think going after Carmelo NOW is a big mistake. If we were maybe the 8th seed with a healthy Kobe, playing exciting basketball but maybe just a little bit off... that's one thing. That sounds like Carmelo territory.

Where we are now is no superstar, no real star, and a team full of 6th, 7th, and 8th players off the bench. We need to start from the ground up.

Love might not be the guy. He might not be the MVP, but he could be too. He's that good. He's the Pau Gasol of this next generation. Good enough maybe to carry the team, but it's only maybe... He can carry you for a time, but you need someone else to really make it shine.

If we stink badly enough to get one of those really rare players coming into the league this summer and we can pair him with Love in a couple years... That's what the Lakers really need. We need a pick this summer that Kobe can take under his wing for a season and really teach him what it means to be a Laker. Then we need a guy like Love who really can help diversify a team and provides enough to put us over the top.

This summer we should avoid Carmelo, avoid most large contracts, and look into 2015 summer for Love. Give me a core of maybe Exum, Love, and Monroe and I think moving forward we're a top 4 team in the West. Throw Kobe in there and we're looking at a chance to compete.
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:33 pm

Really, any combination of those rookies works with Love and Kobe.

Exum/Smart/Farmar
Kobe
Wiggins/Parker/Randle
Love
Embiid/Hill/Sacre

I can't wait for everyone to scream conspiracy when we land a top 3 pick. "Oh, it's the Lakers. Of course they get the ______ pick. FU Stern (#hesalreadygone)"
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby Kangaroo Grandkid on Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:42 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:Really, any combination of those rookies works with Love and Kobe.

Exum/Smart/Farmar
Kobe
Wiggins/Parker/Randle
Love
Embiid/Hill/Sacre

I can't wait for everyone to scream conspiracy when we land a top 3 pick. "Oh, it's the Lakers. Of course they get the ______ pick. FU Stern (#hesalreadygone)"


To which I say FU to every single one of them. Stern completely hosed us on the CP3 deal, then the owners colluded to F us over again in the new CBA. F them. These teams make a ton of money.

Any one of them could spend big and actually put forth an effort to building a real team, make a commitment to win. Instead they chose to drag us down because it's just easier to blame their failure on the winners.

So F them.
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby LakerFanIam on Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:49 pm

To all of you saying that Love isn't a franchise player... You do realize he's 4th in scoring & 2nd in rebounding...??? And those ratings are usually higher...
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Postby halekulani on Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:01 am

if we still had phil jackson, i think klove would def be at the top of the list for players who could mesh in right away like pau did...pau probably set a world record though. i think his transition can't be replicated. however, klove would be the next best fit.
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:16 am

KG wanted to be a Laker too ... ( Pau turned out to be a better pickup for us though) .

1)The question is whether Sota is going to trade him at the Feb 2015 deadline knowing he will most likely opt out and leave as a FA 4 months after

2) IF he wants to be a Laker at all cost , he won't sign an extension with the team he may be traded too = most likely no trade unless a team is willing to take the risk we did with Coward ... is Love willing to give up money on the table if a deal still happened though ?

3) Being frustrated by the lack of results in Sota , what's the point of starting from scratch in LA again if we still had a mediocre team with little upside next season ?

That's why getting a promising young player in June is KEY ...


Love is a second option ala Pau in 08-2010 ... the question is can he make the same defensive jump Pau did those years ... Love is playing SOFT D mainly to avoid fouls.

All these big FA have question marks on them though ... except KD but he seems to be the longest shot
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:25 am

LakerFanIam wrote:To all of you saying that Love isn't a franchise player... You do realize he's 4th in scoring & 2nd in rebounding...??? And those ratings are usually higher...


He's probably top 10 in missed games since he's been in the league too. Ohh and his team's have never made the playoffs.
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby Savory Griddles on Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:42 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
LakerFanIam wrote:To all of you saying that Love isn't a franchise player... You do realize he's 4th in scoring & 2nd in rebounding...??? And those ratings are usually higher...


He's probably top 10 in missed games since he's been in the league too. Ohh and his team's have never made the playoffs.


But who has he had with him? The best player to ever play with him might be Kevin Martin this season. That is seriously the best wingman he's ever had. Kobe BARELY made the playoffs when he had Lamar as his #2 and at that point Lamar was better than ANYTHING Love has ever had.

I can't argue the injury thing. That is a legit concern. But I think he's a franchise guy, and if not a #1 he's a #1A.
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Postby LakersN4 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:04 pm

Love is a weird player.. He's got all the numbers to make him a franchise player but he's never carried his team to the playoffs & you can't really rely on him to be your main star because of the amount of games he misses.. I don't think Pek/Rubio/Martin are much worse than the Chandler/Kidd/Marion supporting cast that Dirk carried to a ring.
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Postby Savory Griddles on Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:11 pm

LakersN4 wrote:Love is a weird player.. He's got all the numbers to make him a franchise player but he's never carried his team to the playoffs & you can't really rely on him to be your main star because of the amount of games he misses.. I don't think Pek/Rubio/Martin are much worse than the Chandler/Kidd/Marion supporting cast that Dirk carried to a ring.


Well, Chandler and Marion play WAAAAAY better defense than Martin and Pek. And you are forgetting Dirk's #2 guy on that team was Jason Terry. And Stevenson and Barea were very important to that run.
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby LakersN4 on Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:17 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
LakersN4 wrote:Love is a weird player.. He's got all the numbers to make him a franchise player but he's never carried his team to the playoffs & you can't really rely on him to be your main star because of the amount of games he misses.. I don't think Pek/Rubio/Martin are much worse than the Chandler/Kidd/Marion supporting cast that Dirk carried to a ring.


Well, Chandler and Marion play WAAAAAY better defense than Martin and Pek. And you are forgetting Dirk's #2 guy on that team was Jason Terry. And Stevenson and Barea were very important to that run.

Well, Love has Barea on his team too.. But you're right I wasn't saying they're exactly as good as Dirk's role players, but they're not much worse.. Not to the point where they shouldn't even be making the playoffs. I think a prime Dirk would carry that T'Wolves team to the playoffs with no problem.
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Postby Doc Brown on Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:26 pm

2008-2009 (24-58) - Love/Brewer/Jefferson/Miller/Foye..........played in 81 games
2009-2010 (15-67) - Love/Brewer/Jefferson/Sessions/Ellington......played in 60 games
2010-2011 (17-65) - Love/Brewer/Beasley/Johnson/Pek/Randolph/Webster......played in 73 games
2011-2012 (26-40) - Love/Pek/Rubio/Webster/Williams/Barea/Randolph/Ridnour........played in 55 games
2012-2013 (31-51) - Love/Rubio/Shved/Williams/AK47/Budinger/Barea/Pek.........played in 18 games

He didn't have any teammates, but the two seasons he played the least amount of games, the team had a better record without him than when he played in 60 and 73 games.

He's had enough talent to do better than 113-281 in his career.
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Postby Damian Necronamous on Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:02 pm

Sucking this year is entirely worth it if we end up with Andrew Wiggins (or Jabari Parker), Kevin Love and a boat load of cap space in 2.5 years when Kobe retires.

And no, K-Love can't be your best player if you want to win a title, but he's an amazing #2.
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Postby Frank Dux on Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:17 pm

Kevin Love is cool and everything, but it's not likely you'll see the playoffs if he's your best player, and you really have to build around him to make it work.

Something like Asik/Love/Draft/Kobe/Bledsoe could work. You really have to put a strong rim protector alongside him.
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:56 pm

Love is a great number 2.... the problem is under the new CBA he'll get number 1 money and it's going to be just about impossible for us to sign two top talents and put anything but community college players out there to help them.
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:58 am

It's strange to me how poorly kept this secret is... Everyone seems to know it and everyone seems to agree. In fact, I'm not sure Love himself has come out strongly enough against these rumors. If I were on his team, I'd be kind of annoyed that he hasn't taken a stance against them in a stronger fashion. I know he probably will in the coming weeks, but certainly he should have said something by now already.

Not that I'm complaining from our perspective. It seems like a match made in heaven to me. I wouldn't mind if we had another so-so year if it meant really BUILDING a team. If we go into this summer with a high lottery pick, grab a young player with a high ceiling like Monroe or like Bledsoe... or even if we just get a good ancillary piece or two maybe a Deng for the right price... In 2015 Love will make a fine addition.

And for the argument that he can't be the best player on your team... I completely agree. Pau wasn't either, but look what he did for us when he was paired with someone who WAS capable of carrying the team. I don't know if our draft pick will be that person, but Kobe will be on his last year. Maybe he can make it one last hurrah. Then we get all his money off the books and if one of our young guys can't do it, we look like a hot destination for Durant.
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Re: "Everybody Knows That Kevin Love Wants To Be A Laker."

Postby lakerfan2 on Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:41 am

Parker/Love 2015 :man1:
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