Expectations before the Season...and now.

Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby thisbjgz on Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:55 pm

Like many..if not all of us here @ CL. We probably cracked jokes to our friends and families saying how the Lakers would at least CONTEND for a title. After nearly 2 months of the season has passed, what are your feelings and expectations now?

My input is honestly I really don't feel like we're going to win a championship this year, reality is there is really a small small margin of error for us to really make it far to get pass the likes of SA, OKC, or dare I say..Clippers and MEM. While I'm still rooting for them every game, I still expect us to be better when everyone is healthy and we would have a little run towards the end, where we will end up being 5-6th seed and losing in the 2nd round. Your thoughts?

This is not a pessimistic thread or a troll thread in any way, I was just looking at the standings and saw how far we are behind other top teams, and I believe the avg win's in the West is supposed to be around 46-48 to make the 8th seed? That would mean we need to win at least around 40 times out of the last 60 something games we have, I just don't know if time is on our side.
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby Snakell Beast on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:17 am

We have 56 games yet to play on our schedule. In order to win over 50 games on the season, we will have to win roughly 3 out of every 4 remaining games. The team is going to improve, but I don't see us winning that often, especially in the toughest part of our schedule, with more road games left than home games.

I think we will win 60% of our games from here on out. That means, unfortunately, that this team will finish 33-23 the rest of the way...winding up with a record of 45-37. In other words, we will finish 9th in the west, about 1 to 3 games out of the 8th seed. What a monumental waste of talent and opportunity this season has been :man6: :disagree:
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby Nikez on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:22 am

I have an idea. Lets give up.
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby Snakell Beast on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:28 am

Nikez wrote:I have an idea. Lets give up.


Winning 60% of our remaining games is no lock. The team will have to improve considerably for that to happen. I am being VERY generous with my evaluation. I could predict a more reaslistic record of 39-43, but I want to AT LEAST give our team enough credit to believe that they are going to show SOME pride and effectiveness going forward.

If we keep playing the way we have been, and if some of the ominous statements by Nash about possibly doing damage to his leg and missing the rest of the season hold any truth, then we could see this team go 32-50 on the season. I am trying to give an accurate answer to the question posed by the OP. I'm not going to ridicule you for your opinion, so please don't do that to me either.

We are all Lakers fans. We all want the team to go 50-6 over the remaining games (for a record of 62-20) but at this point it would not only be unprecedented, but statistically and practically unfathomable. We are all shocked and devastated at the outcome so far this season. We all want the team to succeed. We must all admit that they may not be able to live up to our expectations, going forward, any more than they have thus far.
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:36 am

The way the MDA system maximizes our weaknesses , I'm not sure we are going to make the playoffs ... there are some competition for the 5th to 8th seed ( basically 6 to 7 teams for 4 spots)

Warriors
Nuggets ( they had a crazy tough schedule so far , 19 roads games out of 27 :man10: and still have a better record than us , count them in)
Jazz
Wolves
Mavs
Lakers

I don't think Portland will compete for a playoffs spot as the season advances , I'm not sure about Houston


With a great coach ? WCF would be our ceiling ... I still think we aren't young and good enough to beat OKC
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby therealdeal on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:43 am

I still expect a Championship if we are healthy heading into the playoffs. Too much talent not to win.
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby Nashty Gal on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:47 am

We are such a mess, its hard to expect anything
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:50 am

therealdeal wrote:I still expect a Championship if we are healthy heading into the playoffs. Too much talent not to win.

tough to picture with a 7-8 players rotations and Kobe playing 40 mins a game... in December
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby lakerzkb8 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:52 am

If we still suck in a month with all our guys back, then ill be in panic mode otherwise lets just see how it plays out. A LOT of factors come into play for that record. New guys, new system, new coach, injuries, etc. Hell the 02-03 Lakers started 11-19 and finished at 50-32. These things arent impossible to happen if you have the talent. This season is actually giving me flashbacks of 02-03 Lakers and Kobe. We were battling injuries early that year. Kobe had perfected his game to his physical ability at that point. This season he has perfected his game to his fundamentals/skills set. He looks as confident and determined that season to carry this team through the early season slump. If only he played D at that 02-03 level :bang:

I predict that we get that 5th=6th seed. Get bounced by OKC again. Not afraid of any other team in the west IF we start gelling.
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby kenzo on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:55 am

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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby Snakell Beast on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:56 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:I still expect a Championship if we are healthy heading into the playoffs. Too much talent not to win.

tough to picture with a 7-8 players rotations and Kobe playing 40 mins a game


I would feel better about that if I believed that the Head Coach would LISTEN to media and fan criticism by adjusting what he was doing. But he is going to keep overtinkering in some areas, and over-tightening whatever experimental rotations he does have, from game to game until all the craziness and chaos implodes around us and sabotages what little confidence and cohesiveness we have left.

As fans, we have to take a stand. We MUST do everything in our power to let the Lakers know that we love and support them and that we have their backs. And, we have to try to energize them and to let players and coaches who have a bad attitude know that it will NOT be tolerated.
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby Snakell Beast on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:59 am

kenzo wrote:Image
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A tough lesson for Lakers and Lakers fans everwhere to learn. Hopefully, though, another Cliche will prove true...

It's always Darkest before the Dawn :shaq: :patriot:
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby Ar[C]heZ!A on Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:55 am

therealdeal wrote:I still expect a Championship if we are healthy heading into the playoffs. Too much talent not to win.

+1

We should at least be able to get to the finals and compete for the title with this talent on the team. I have a few reasons for my optimistic (actually realistic) view.

It's true that we shouldn't be 12-14 with this team, but think about the problems we had to deal with. First it was Brown. We got rid of him but D'antoni didn't have any time to prepare himself and the team to the season. Then, the injuries. Injuries to Nash and Blake left us without a PG, which is the most important position in D'antoni's game plan. When D'antoni and his game plan is comprehended better by the team with time and when we got our all-star PG back, many things will improve. Heat also didn't start very good two seasons ago. I know they got it together sooner than us, but they didn't have the problems we do. And many were predicting they wouldn't win it all that first year. (It turned out true but stay with me) They didn't enter the playoffs with that impression either. But with the talent they have they easily got to the finals, they crushed Chicago and if lebron didn't suck that bad they would win the title that year. All I'm trying to say is that they, too, didn't look very very good that season and didn't have a great great game plan or a coach either. But just with the talent they have they almost won the championship. We have 4 all-stars on our team, all-stars that play much better in the post season and just with their motivation and star power we will do great things this season, at least I believe we will. And I believe Nash would be the main factor that will transform this team into a championship caliber team.

Right now, we're playing without a true system under D'antoni, but it will change. I think when Nash comes back, he will implement D'antoni's system better and even maybe customize it a little bit so that the system will fit the personnel. We know he is smart and is capable of transforming this team into a much better one. Considering we're playing without a true PG right now and D'antoni's system depends on Nash coming back, I think it will change many things.

And then there is Gasol issue. I accept the fact that he won't be as good as he used to be. However, again when Nash comes back and distributes the ball more evenly and find the guys, including Gasol, on the right spots Gasol's overall play will improve together with his motivation.

We also will have a better Howard by the end of the season, both physically and mentally. He will have a better conditioning and will have better looks with PnRs with Nash and that will bring that extra motivation to him on the defensive end too.

Although Kobe is playing efficient right now, we know he could do better when he don't have to carry all the load. I accept that he will shoot more than he needs to sometimes. But he won us 5 chips playing that way. His job is to score and he will do whatever he can to score. Sometimes, I get mad at him because of shooting too much but then I think we shouldn't complain that much about the shot selection of one of the best maybe the best scorer in NBA history. So, when he no longer have to play PG in this team. He will have a bigger impact on the offensive end and will play definitely much much better in the playoffs. I can't say anything about his D though :D

Afterall, I cannot understand how you can be that pessimistic about this team. There is no other team in the leauge right now that had to deal with all the problems we have. We don't have many key players and we have some problems about the game plan and chemistry. But we have maybe the best guy who can help build chemistry and give the team an identity with his great pg skills.

We have the best scorer, the best center and the best pg of the last decade on this team and this team WILL SUCCEED. I know many things depends on Nash but he is the playmaker and we will see what this team is capable of when he comes back %100 or close to %100 and when the post season comes our guys be ready. I'm not saying we will definitely win the chip, no one can say that. But I'm saying that we will definitely compete on a very high level with Kobe leading the way..

Oh, and my prediction is 51-31
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby RetroNikes on Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:02 am

I expected this team to at least be third in the west by now.

IIRC, this team only played only about 5 games together in an offense that didn't fit their style of play. So it's hard to tell how good this team really is with the injuries and everything. I still believe this team can get to the 5th seed if they start playing better basketball starting now.


I believe Pau Gasol and filler will be traded for a Power Forward and Small Forward to fit MDA system.
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby KBJelleyBean24 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:32 am

Expected a championship before the season started. I still expect it, but will losing in the 2nd round wouldn't be as shocking to me.
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:37 am

I was unsure but thought we'd be better than we have been. I was skeptical at a fast start and thought it would take 15 to 20 games for 5 former "Alpha's" to gel into a team that can both play with and without the ball.

As for winning a championship this year.... I didn't have any expectations one way or the other.... the starters are not a balanced group and some of the individual styles don't mesh real well so it all depends on adjustments which can't really be predicted.

The injuries have killed the ability of this team to have that 15 to 20 games to learn to play together and we have yet to have a full strength team for longer than a game and a half so I'm not expecting an immediate turnaround and 70% ball anytime soon.

The Coaching change has thrown a new wrinkle in there that wasn't there before the season started. A new style and not having the players to support it will also be difficult to find success in on the fly.

It could take a while before we see them clicking on all cylinders..... but I think they will eventually. The question will be if there is enough time left in the regular season when that happens to seed high enough in the Playoffs to make a viable run.
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby therealdeal on Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:15 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:I still expect a Championship if we are healthy heading into the playoffs. Too much talent not to win.

tough to picture with a 7-8 players rotations and Kobe playing 40 mins a game... in December

Considering Nash missed 2 months or whatever, no it's not. Kobe is playing out of necessity due to injuries.

Who would you rather have playing backup PG, Duhon or Kobe? Morris or Kobe? And if your answer is Kobe, which it should be, then who you rather play backup SG? Morris, Duhon, or Kobe?

Not only did we lose our 1st string Hall of Fame PG, but we lost our second string PG as well. Kobe is playing out of necessity. It sucks, it happens.

When Nash gets back, and to a lesser extent Blake, we'll have a more full and more reasonable rotation. Not to mention this is D'Antoni's training camp as far as finding lineups that he likes. He's said as much, he's explained it to the players. They all understand it. Once he understands Ebanks is awful the lineup will look more like:
Nash/Duhon
Bryant/Meeks
Artest/Jamison
Pau/Jamison
Howard/Pau


That's 8 players and I'm fine with it. If Duhon gets hurt Morris is capable of filling in better now than he was before. If we find a better backup wing to play behind Artest, we would have a little better time, but in the end this lineup is just fine.
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby Helljumper on Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:15 am

therealdeal wrote:I still expect a Championship if we are healthy heading into the playoffs. Too much talent not to win.


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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby Forward Three on Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:25 am

I honestly didn't have soaring expectations of instant-championship or anything like that, but I did solidly expect that this team would be, at the very least, entertaining to watch on any given night. I was pitifully wrong. Still, we have started to see some semblance of a shape forming and a personality developing that wholly awful, and I think if this team can make it to the playoffs(yeah, I said it) I like their chances as a 'dark horse'.
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby MusixFinest on Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:40 am

Considering we still have a positive point differential that is good for fifth in the West, I see us finishing anywhere from 5-8, when all is said and done. We have a very slim chance at cracking the Top 4. Things would have go the complete opposite the rest of the way, i.e. our players remain healthy and opposing teams get bit by the injury bug.

They've got to build up team chemistry. The camaraderie is sorely lacking with this group of guys. When Nash comes back, I HOPE we'll see a team having fun again. Playing FOR each other. Backing each other up like they should. And IF that happens, the swagger and killer instinct will all come back.
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby LooN3y on Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:19 pm

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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby LakerFan1235 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:18 pm

Helljumper wrote:
therealdeal wrote:I still expect a Championship if we are healthy heading into the playoffs. Too much talent not to win.


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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:18 pm

We've got Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, and Steve Nash on our roster. If we don't win a championship it's an epic failure.
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby Juronimo on Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:15 pm

At the beginning of the season, my expectations were to content for a championship. Now I'm hoping we make the playoffs.
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Re: Expectations before the Season...and now.

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:02 pm

before the season: "HELL YEA WE HAVE THE GREATEST TEAM EVER ASSEMBLED! WE'RE GOING 74-8 AND STEAMROLLING THROUGH THE PLAYOFFS TO A CHAMPIONSHIP! FIRE MIKE BROWN!"

now: "oh god i hope we make the playoffs. this team is horrible. fire d'antoni."
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