First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby escobar8 on Fri May 17, 2013 2:07 pm

whats the point of geting 17th or the 18th pick...could that player maybe contribute more than some vet min player...i dont see point of getting pick if is it not under 10...
the most favorite proposition i saw is from abeer...beasley,fray and #4...maybe if they could ad dudley it would be amazing...
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby JGC on Fri May 17, 2013 2:58 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:Not much of a rumor.... Rumors of trading Pau are not news.... haven't been for 2 years now.

I like the idea of getting younger and using Pau to do it but how many lottery teams want or could use Pau? My guess is that if we do trade him it will be to a team that is a player or two away from contention that needs a guy like him to complete their team.... not a lottery team in need of rebuilding. Expiring contracts don't mean much when you have to give up lottery picks to get them.


there are a few team in contention that do have lottery picks, OKC being one as they own Tor pick. While Clev isn't in cont to be true contenders they are 1 or 2 player away from playoff contention, not saying they'd trade their lottery pick but they have several 1st rd picks beside's their own.


That would have to be the only way we'd get a lottery pick for Pau unless the execs on "Lottery Teams" have had their TV turned off for the last 2 years.

Pau and Nash seem to have some value to teams on the cusp. Veteran leadership and experience.... they are no longer a centerpiece that a team can build around.

I still think Pau may have the most value to Minn with the Spanish market angle. Rubio and Pau together may be worth more to the bottom line in Minn than in the standings.


Never really understood the whole Spanish market angle thing. There is no Spanish market in Minnesota. I think less than 5% of those that live in Minnesota are hispanic. In fact, I'd say they might be the worst possible NBA destination if tapping the Spanish market is something you're trying to accomplish. Off the top of my head I'm going to say they're the worst but, is there an NBA team in a less lucrative Hispanic market?
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Weezy on Fri May 17, 2013 3:03 pm

I believe the Spanish market refers to people in Spain. Just like having Yao and Lin gets you a lot of people in China as fans, having both Rubio and Pau would sell a lot of T-Wolves jerseys to people in Spain. Plus Spanish people that support Pau and Rubio here in the US as well (and Spanish NBA fans everywhere else in the world as well). The Spanish market doesn't need to be in Minnesota to matter these days.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby JGC on Fri May 17, 2013 3:39 pm

Weezy wrote:I believe the Spanish market refers to people in Spain. Just like having Yao and Lin gets you a lot of people in China as fans, having both Rubio and Pau would sell a lot of T-Wolves jerseys to people in Spain. Plus Spanish people that support Pau and Rubio here in the US as well (and Spanish NBA fans everywhere else in the world as well). The Spanish market doesn't need to be in Minnesota to matter these days.


Yeah I'm not saying it wouldn't do anything, I'm saying I really don't think it would do enough, to move the needle, to warrant such a transaction.

Oh and I'm not sure I'd agree it doesn't matter from where you plan to capture the Spanish market. I'd be willing to bet you'd get a lot more bang for the buck if you put a couple of big name Spanish players in say, LA rather than Minneapolis and I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying that either.

Yao and Lin work in Houston because they overindex for Asian demographic relative to the rest of Texas (and the U.S.). Put Yao in Milwaukee and he wouldn't get the same draw. Not like he'd fall in to obscurity of course, but you put a guy who resonates with a certain group, in a city that resonates with that same group, and you're going to get a lot, lot more.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Weezy on Fri May 17, 2013 4:15 pm

I'm not saying that it doesn't matter where a player goes in how BIG the Spanish market is. I'm saying it doesn't matter for that particular team how big the Spanish population near them is if they're still getting a ton of Spain fans from around the world. Obviously Spanish players have a bigger group of Spanish people in LA than Minnesota, what I mean is it's still extra money from Spanish fans, Pau fans, Spain national team fans that Minny would get.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby thkthebest on Fri May 17, 2013 4:21 pm

I don't watch college ball so I can't comment on the talent, but I feel like every year, people are saying that the draft is weak.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby dj vitus on Fri May 17, 2013 4:29 pm

JGC wrote:
Weezy wrote:I believe the Spanish market refers to people in Spain. Just like having Yao and Lin gets you a lot of people in China as fans, having both Rubio and Pau would sell a lot of T-Wolves jerseys to people in Spain. Plus Spanish people that support Pau and Rubio here in the US as well (and Spanish NBA fans everywhere else in the world as well). The Spanish market doesn't need to be in Minnesota to matter these days.


Yeah I'm not saying it wouldn't do anything, I'm saying I really don't think it would do enough, to move the needle, to warrant such a transaction.

Oh and I'm not sure I'd agree it doesn't matter from where you plan to capture the Spanish market. I'd be willing to bet you'd get a lot more bang for the buck if you put a couple of big name Spanish players in say, LA rather than Minneapolis and I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying that either.

Yao and Lin work in Houston because they overindex for Asian demographic relative to the rest of Texas (and the U.S.). Put Yao in Milwaukee and he wouldn't get the same draw. Not like he'd fall in to obscurity of course, but you put a guy who resonates with a certain group, in a city that resonates with that same group, and you're going to get a lot, lot more.

From Minnesota's perspective, they're never gonna be as big as L.A. So maybe they want to settle for fans in Spain? I dunno.

One thing's for sure, Charlotte had no qualms trading with us for Vlade Divac. :man10:
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby JGC on Fri May 17, 2013 4:40 pm

^ Hahaha. Must have been for that ol' Serbian market!

Beyond all that, I guess the thing I'm thinking is, any team that has a high lottery pick is probably looking to build so I'm not sure they'd want to give up a high pick UNLESS, they have some serious salaries to shed.

I'm not quite buying the trades where they'd rid themselves of a $5M per type contract and that's why they forgo a lottery pick. I think the salary to shed would have to be around the double digit per year trade and for multiple years and that hurts our cap flexibility so unless said player is a borderline stud that we would have otherwise signed in 2014, I don't think Pau gets moved.

Then again, Charlotte had no qualms trading with us for Vlade Divac =)
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Rooscooter on Fri May 17, 2013 5:02 pm

^^ revenue from the Spanish Market was up 120% the year after last year and I believe Rubio Jerseys are the second leading seller outside the US. Minn games are available on Spanish cable as well I believe.

I read in the Journal that the Spanish speaking market for the NBA is the largest revenue source out side the US now that Yao has moved on.

It has little to do with Hispanics in this country.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby JGC on Fri May 17, 2013 5:22 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^ revenue from the Spanish Market was up 120% the year after last year and I believe Rubio Jerseys are the second leading seller outside the US. Minn games are available on Spanish cable as well I believe.

I read in the Journal that the Spanish speaking market for the NBA is the largest revenue source out side the US now that Yao has moved on.

It has little to do with Hispanics in this country.


Well, my piggy bank (which I use for change) is up 150% year over year but it still only has like $120 bucks in it. =(

I'm not saying there wouldn't be interest. I'm just not convinced that the interest would be so lucrative, so impactful to their bottom dollar (especially with Pau at this stage of his career), that they'd do the trade specifically for that reason. I'd think the reason would have to be basketball related first and foremost, with revenue generation being secondary or even tertiary because I just can't see people in Spain wanting Pau jerseys more than they already do with him as a Laker because he plays in Minnesota with Rubio

I'll have to look it up, but I don't remember a single international player being in top 10 in jersey sales internationally. In fact, I thought they were all American players.

I'm still not convinced that the path to success in the Spanish NBA market is to team up Spanish players in Minnesota. For it to really work, I still think you need to do it on a major market team and they have to be up and coming guys IMO. So while I understand better now what you meant, I still just can't see how putting Pau in Minnesota dramatically changes much for them in terms of wins or dollars.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Rooscooter on Fri May 17, 2013 6:05 pm

^^^I didn't ask you for your strategic plan for thr league or if you thought they were doing it right. I was imparting an article I read in the Journal regarding Rubio, Lin and the Nets which all have significant followings outside the US. The market in the US is saturated and the only growth to be had is outside the country.

You noted that you didn't understand..... And now I believe you. Nothing more need be said.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby The Laker Link on Fri May 17, 2013 6:25 pm

Trey Burke, Nerlens Noel, or Cody Zeller? Any one of them worth moving up in the Lottery for?

Victor Oladipo? Shabazz Muhammad? Tim Hardaway Jr?

Those were the only people I ever heard good things about based on game and skills and what not. I might be interested in any of them, I would just hope that if this is the plan, there would be more coming. Like that Pelicans deal someone suggested with Eric Gordon. That would be nice. We tried to send Pau there once, why not try it again?
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby lakersin4 on Fri May 17, 2013 6:41 pm

I don't think we can move Pau for a pick unless we get some decent players packaged. We're trying to convince Dwight to stay here & win rings, not pitch a rebuilding plan.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Pig Miller on Fri May 17, 2013 6:57 pm

i suppose there are 2 scenarios, take back salary, don't take back salary.

if they don't take back salary, this team is in full rebuild mode. at least for the year until the 2014 FA class.

this may be the front office's way of justifying a salary dump.

noel is going to go #1, we're not getting him. i'd be shocked if anyone in this lottery class would help us this upcoming season.
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Postby The Rock on Fri May 17, 2013 9:01 pm

lol Lakers lookin for lotto pick 3rd yr in a row. 3rd times the charm?
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Snake Eyes on Fri May 17, 2013 9:48 pm

The Laker Link wrote:Trey Burke, Nerlens Noel, or Cody Zeller? Any one of them worth moving up in the Lottery for?

Victor Oladipo? Shabazz Muhammad? Tim Hardaway Jr?

Those were the only people I ever heard good things about based on game and skills and what not. I might be interested in any of them, I would just hope that if this is the plan, there would be more coming. Like that Pelicans deal someone suggested with Eric Gordon. That would be nice. We tried to send Pau there once, why not try it again?


Tim Hardaway Jr will be a role player, in my opinion. He seemed streaky from what I saw. He got a lot of attention because of who he is. He isn't a bad player, but I don't think he's a lottery pick.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby LAKEROC on Fri May 17, 2013 11:38 pm

What a crap draft 2013 is going to be. It's filled with above average players, and nobody to really scream, "I'm a superstar". Now, if this were 2014, and we could trade pau Gasol for a lottery pick, II might be more inclined with all of the potential stars in that draft. This has to be one of the worst NBA drafts in years.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Alleyhoops on Sat May 18, 2013 1:03 am

^ No no no to Shabazz. As much as I'd love to see him succeed, he's probably the most overrated college player I've seen in quite a few years. He's never seen a pass he likes and I have no idea how the hell he creates and gets a shot off with his release point against quick, long defenders. He's strong, but that low release is a killer in the NBA. For his sake, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't want anything to do with his pick. As far as a west coaster, I'd much prefer Allen Crabbe. I think he's going to surprise a helluva lot of people and be a rookie to watch.
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sat May 18, 2013 10:41 am

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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby abeer3 on Sat May 18, 2013 5:47 pm

uninformative. I think pau could go for a high pick, but only if the lakers take some salary back. the media acts like pau has negative trade value. I think they're way off on that. patience is required, though.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Doc Brown on Sat May 18, 2013 5:52 pm

Pau has value, it's just that the FO wants a superstar for him and won't settle for role players. Big mistake right there.

If the FO wanted role players, we would have Dragic/Scola/Martin and whatever else Houston was ready to give us for Pau. If it's not a superstar, the FO doesn't want any part of it.

That's why Pau hasn't been moved yet IMO.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby LAKEROC on Sat May 18, 2013 8:51 pm

Pau can go for a high lotto pick? OK! Give me the 6'6 stud point guard Andrew Harrison from Kentucky, and I'll give you Pau Gasol somebody. Do we have a deal? I would be happy to make that deal now. Harrison is a 6'6 point guard, and reminds me very much of vintage Penny Hardaway.
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Postby DHL on Sat May 18, 2013 9:11 pm

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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Pig Miller on Sun May 19, 2013 8:12 am

if we move pau for a lottery pick,it's not going to be accompanied with several serviceable players unless it's an absolute salary dump.

i'd be okay with trading pau for a lottery pick straight up and saving the money. unless there's another kwame for pau type of trade out there, i don't see us being legit title contenders next year. not with our roster issues and complete lack of flexibility.

i'd rather roll the dice on trying to get a legit star in the 2014 FA class than be a 1st or 2nd round exit team for several more years because we're cap strapped
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Doc Brown on Sun May 19, 2013 8:34 am

Pig Miller wrote:i'd rather roll the dice on trying to get a legit star in the 2014 FA class than be a 1st or 2nd round exit team for several more years because we're cap strapped


And that would be?.....

John Wall - Probably not. The Wizards have 13 million in committed salary that year. Do you think they are just going to let him walk on his qualifying offer? They will dish out money for him or we will over pay for him by giving him the max, which Washington can match. They will sign and trade him somewhere, where they can get a return on a guard in his prime.

Dwayne Wade - Early termination option. Early retirement home option if he keeps going Varsity Blues style with whatever he's pumping into his knees in the playoffs this year.

Loul Deng - I don't consider him a star. Solid role player yes.

Danny Granger - Probably are most realistic option. Knee concerns might push some teams away, but we will probably look past that.

Paul George - Indy is going to lock him up with his qualifying offer and match anything for him. He's the real deal.

Melo - LOL next. Take away him chucking up shot after shot and he offers nothing.

Lebron - How many other "GOAT" level players have team jumped to multiple teams in their prime? Cleveland or Miami for him, IF he decides not to pick up his option.

Rudy Gay - Are we going to throw the max at player who's old team played better without him on it and has a chance to get to the Finals? That's if he declines his player option.

Chris Bosh - I can see it. But it makes you wonder giving a guy that will be turning 31 the season we get him a long term deal. How many realistic "prime" years does he have left?
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