First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sun May 19, 2013 8:51 am

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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby snackdaddy on Sun May 19, 2013 1:25 pm

Age was definitely problem this past season. Older players tend to be injured more. So what do you do? You know the window for a championship opportunity it closing.

If its going to happen it will have to happen this coming season. Do you reload and try to build around Dwight(assuming he signs)Kobe and Nash? Or do you go with youth? Youth that may not be ready for the prime time.

I don't think there's any doubt they have to get younger. Trying to go into the season with the same team a year older than last year will probably end up with the same result. But is that youth in the form of an inexperienced rookie? Or a player in his mid to late 20's who has experience?
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Rooscooter on Sun May 19, 2013 2:45 pm

^^Here's the issue.... Pau will only have value to teams "in the hunt".... and they might be willing to give up picks but most likely not players as you describe.

The only other potential team that may want Pau is one that needs to cut salary.... which means we may get back some decent players but they will most likely have bad contracts.

Now with Kobe's injury we are no longer one or two young, fast good players away..... we're a lot further away than that unfortunately. Dwight is a great piece but he's not a centerpiece IMO. He isn't the guy that's going to take over down the stretch in a close game and win it for you.... he'll keep you in it but the player that will win if for you is in rehab, 35 years old and not anything close to what he once was.... Facts I'm afraid.

So, as I've noted before, we have two clear choices in front of us. Go below the cap and then have only the cap + the MLE to fill in the entire roster besides Nash and Howard (assuming he's resigned). OR... trade everyone who's tradable before then to get picks and youth to re-build with. This option will keep us above the cap most likely but give us more flexibility down the road. Signing everyone in one offseason for multiple year contracts will make is unbelievably difficult to get the right mix IMO....
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Mon May 20, 2013 12:27 am

Pau = balls sac? Really bad on word associations
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby JSM on Mon May 20, 2013 6:05 pm

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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Pig Miller on Mon May 20, 2013 6:28 pm

^not trying to be condescending or rude, but i have no idea what to make of those tweets/statements.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby abeer3 on Mon May 20, 2013 8:02 pm

I guess filling out questionnaires means: we're not all that interested. I guess other teams actually have guys there to talk to you.

I don't get the first one, though. if you're dumping your non-guaranteed guys, you'd think you'd be interested in getting into the draft.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Weezy on Mon May 20, 2013 9:27 pm

Sounds to me, that if that stuff is true, that our draft crew sucks.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Johnnyboy on Mon May 20, 2013 9:42 pm

They should try and trade pau to a terrible team and pray we land wiggins.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby JSM on Mon May 20, 2013 9:49 pm

There's speculation the Cats will move down in the draft because they're talking to and scheduling workouts for a lot of players in the 10-20 range (it'd take a 3rd team to facilitate that, though). Mitch use your wand powers and get MJ to take Pau in exchange for McLemore.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Center Court on Mon May 20, 2013 10:41 pm

Weezy wrote:Sounds to me, that if that stuff is true, that our draft crew sucks.


Maybe they are firm believers this is one of the worst drafts in history and given they have no picks in the first, maybe they don't want to waste anytime.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Weezy on Tue May 21, 2013 12:05 am

Center Court wrote:
Weezy wrote:Sounds to me, that if that stuff is true, that our draft crew sucks.


Maybe they are firm believers this is one of the worst drafts in history and given they have no picks in the first, maybe they don't want to waste anytime.


Still, no matter how weak a draft is, I would still expect the team to do more work than having guys fill out questionnaires. I would at least expect them to talk to guys face to face, get to know players just in case we move up, or guys fall to us late in the 2nd round, to at least be prepared. I don't see any stars in this draft, but I do see a lot of quality role players, seems like the perfect draft to really research, because it's hard to tell in a field of so many guys of seemingly similar talent, which are the best for our needs.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Tobias Funke on Tue May 21, 2013 12:23 am

^Well they did hire the first coach they interviewed and then followed up by hiring his replacement after a chat on the phone. Being thorough must not be a point of interest.

Maybe its just the way things are now.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Doc Brown on Tue May 21, 2013 4:30 am

If I were the Lakers, even if I had a low 2nd round pick, there is always the chance to move up and buy a cheap pick.

Isaiah Thomas, Chandler Parsons, Landry Fields, Danny Green, Chase Budinger, Marcus Thornton to name a few....

Do your homework and find a 2nd round guy that fell through the cracks and get a rotation player you can pay 900k for the next 3 years.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Savory Griddles on Tue May 21, 2013 9:15 am

Tobias Funke wrote:^Well they did hire the first coach they interviewed and then followed up by hiring his replacement after a chat on the phone. Being thorough must not be a point of interest.

Maybe its just the way things are now.


This is my concern. I feel like we may be heading down the road of the Dallas Cowboys. Hire easily controlled puppet coaches, put together a mish-mash roster of stars, and shine the LA spotlight on it. It reeks of Jerry Jones mentality.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby dj vitus on Tue May 21, 2013 9:17 am

So a few months ago, we gave away all our future draft picks like candy. Now we're dropping Gasol (who can still produce, btw) to desperately scratch a spot in a weak draft?

Something's not right here. :bang:

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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Chillbongo on Tue May 21, 2013 4:46 pm

Weezy wrote:Sounds to me, that if that stuff is true, that our draft crew sucks.

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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby bigdog2013 on Tue May 21, 2013 6:23 pm

Going to the finals 3 straight years has caught up to the lakers. Paul gasol trade cost the lakers 2 first round picks, They sold their 1st round pick to the knicks a few years ago because of the luxury tax. Dwight howard is going to cost 2 more future 1st round picks. Steve nash cost us 2 future 1st round picks, We gave a 1st round picks and beg cavs to take walton. we gave up a first pick to houston for jordan hill. From 2007 to 2017 we are not going to have any 1st round draft picks. Its hardly the scouting staff fault when we are trading away picks to get star players

Pau is not going to be with the lakers past this year anyway might as well trade him for a draft pick.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby The Rock on Tue May 21, 2013 6:43 pm

Hmmmm


https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/337010171689701378

With cap space, 2 first round picks & interest in improving fast, the Cavs will investigate trade options with No. 1 pick
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby abeer3 on Tue May 21, 2013 6:52 pm

problem is that the cavs don't really have anyone to dump.

if pau is going to net a high pick, it means salary is coming back to the lakers, imo. i outlined a sac trade that i think could work in theory. i'd imagine the bobcats might sell their pick to get out from under tyrus Thomas, too. but will the lakers eat a smaller, longer term salary? should they?
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Weezy on Tue May 21, 2013 6:57 pm

Yeah that's a tough one, getting salary back for Pau from the Cavs. If we were able to trade with them though, no way Pau can get you the #1 pick, but he might be able to get you the #4, and there should still be some really good players available there, possibly Burke, Oladipo, McLemore, Shabazz Muhammad (I didn't love him at UCLA, but he has NBA game IMO), Porter, Bennet, or Zeller.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby noobiew on Tue May 21, 2013 7:20 pm

Ok guys it's official, Cavs got the 1st pick, Orlando 2nd pick, Washington 3rd pick, Charlotte 4th pick and Phoenix 5th pick.

Here we go we need to jump on it, Mitch please act fast and call up them now. An impactful player Pau for a lotto pick. :sing:
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby lotus on Tue May 21, 2013 7:35 pm

Chillbongo wrote:
Weezy wrote:Sounds to me, that if that stuff is true, that our draft crew sucks.

Chaz the Bartender.

http://hoopshype.com/columns/lazenby/setting-the-record-straight-on-chaz-the-scout

No matter how you slice it, this cannot be good.
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