First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby JSM on Fri May 17, 2013 8:00 am

Sam Amcio of Fox Sports wrote:With the NBA Draft Combine in full swing, and teams hoping to find the next big thing (or at least a guy who can contribute off the bench), the hubbub has officially begun.

The combine tipped off Wednesday, and while the talk is usually centered on which teams interviewed which top prospects, and who’s not quite as tall without shoes (always a shocking occurrence), most of the noise among insiders is taking place off the floor.

Coaching changes, free agency and the approaching draft lottery are among the hot topics -- especially when it comes to teams outside the lottery trying to wiggle their way in.

The Los Angeles Lakers and Atlanta Hawks are said to be two such teams, with both supposedly exploring the idea of improving their draft position.

Interestingly, both face some major free-agent decisions. None of those can take place until July 1 at the earliest -- or about a week after the June 27 draft.

The Lakers, of course, will attempt to come to terms with All-Star center Dwight Howard, who is expected to receive a maximum offer from the club.

Meanwhile, the Hawks embark on the offseason with a whopping seven unrestricted free agents, highlighted by power forward Josh Smith. It’s believed that Hawks general manager Danny Ferry is aiming to reshape the entire roster.

The Hawks own back-to-back picks in the first round (Nos. 17 and 18), and may be willing to package them together for the sake of moving up, insiders said.

As for the Lakers, their lone pick doesn’t come until midway through the second round (No. 48 overall). But, as usual, they’re supposedly willing to trade big man Pau Gasol in attempt to get younger. That may mean obtaining a pick, a younger player and a contract.

Again, all of this is just speculation at the moment, and it may result in nothing at the end. And goodness knows, these are the type of discussions among GMs and execs that will take place all the way through the draft.

Some of it is real, some of it not so much. Either way, there’s no doubting that the time of year to find the next big thing has officially arrived.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby karacha on Fri May 17, 2013 8:24 am

Interesting. Young player, pick(s), and a contract. We'll see what happens.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Rooscooter on Fri May 17, 2013 8:47 am

Not much of a rumor.... Rumors of trading Pau are not news.... haven't been for 2 years now.

I like the idea of getting younger and using Pau to do it but how many lottery teams want or could use Pau? My guess is that if we do trade him it will be to a team that is a player or two away from contention that needs a guy like him to complete their team.... not a lottery team in need of rebuilding. Expiring contracts don't mean much when you have to give up lottery picks to get them.
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Postby trodgers on Fri May 17, 2013 8:50 am

Slash payroll, get a young, talented player locked up? Yes, please.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby khmrP on Fri May 17, 2013 8:58 am

Rooscooter wrote:Not much of a rumor.... Rumors of trading Pau are not news.... haven't been for 2 years now.

I like the idea of getting younger and using Pau to do it but how many lottery teams want or could use Pau? My guess is that if we do trade him it will be to a team that is a player or two away from contention that needs a guy like him to complete their team.... not a lottery team in need of rebuilding. Expiring contracts don't mean much when you have to give up lottery picks to get them.


there are a few team in contention that do have lottery picks, OKC being one as they own Tor pick. While Clev isn't in cont to be true contenders they are 1 or 2 player away from playoff contention, not saying they'd trade their lottery pick but they have several 1st rd picks beside's their own.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby JSM on Fri May 17, 2013 9:02 am

^ Also Dallas has a pick in the early teens. And Blazers are probably the fringe bad team that needs another rookie the least.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Rooscooter on Fri May 17, 2013 9:05 am

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Rooscooter wrote:Not much of a rumor.... Rumors of trading Pau are not news.... haven't been for 2 years now.

I like the idea of getting younger and using Pau to do it but how many lottery teams want or could use Pau? My guess is that if we do trade him it will be to a team that is a player or two away from contention that needs a guy like him to complete their team.... not a lottery team in need of rebuilding. Expiring contracts don't mean much when you have to give up lottery picks to get them.


there are a few team in contention that do have lottery picks, OKC being one as they own Tor pick. While Clev isn't in cont to be true contenders they are 1 or 2 player away from playoff contention, not saying they'd trade their lottery pick but they have several 1st rd picks beside's their own.


That would have to be the only way we'd get a lottery pick for Pau unless the execs on "Lottery Teams" have had their TV turned off for the last 2 years.

Pau and Nash seem to have some value to teams on the cusp. Veteran leadership and experience.... they are no longer a centerpiece that a team can build around.

I still think Pau may have the most value to Minn with the Spanish market angle. Rubio and Pau together may be worth more to the bottom line in Minn than in the standings.
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Postby D.B. Cooper on Fri May 17, 2013 10:07 am

I got giddy till I saw it was Sam Amico.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri May 17, 2013 10:28 am

Eh.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri May 17, 2013 11:16 am

Is this draft worth being in the lottery for?
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Postby Alleyhoops on Fri May 17, 2013 11:44 am

puffyusaf#2 wrote:Is this draft worth being in the lottery for?

Exactly. It is neither a deep or very talented draft. Now if there was a Lillard-type sleeper in there...
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Postby Weezy on Fri May 17, 2013 11:45 am

That's funny, I was just watching the draft combine and wondered for a second that since this is not the best draft if we'd be able to trade Pau for a high pick to help trade him and cut cost at the same time, and this is the first thread I see as I open CL. Who knows if the rumor is true or not, but I think it might be a smart way to go, I believe there are some solid players to be had.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby abeer3 on Fri May 17, 2013 12:11 pm

the problem with trying to dump pau's salary and get draft picks is that teams able to take on large chunks of change won't be likely to do so until they've exhausted other options, which can't happen until after the draft is complete.

for instance, if atlanta strikes out on howard/paul, i could see them thinking that a pau/horford pf/c combo would be pretty sweet, and i'm sure they'd give up their two mid first rounders and maybe a player (williams or jenkins?) to get him. but that's only after they make their bid, which means the lakers wouldn't have input on the picks. obviously, that can't work.

as far as teams that might be willing to trade prior to the draft: how about sac?

salmons/patrick patterson/chuck hayes/6th overall pick for gasol

why does sac do it?

they need a good veteran player, and nobody's going there in FA. he can play next to cousins, imo, and they'd love pau in sac, shades of vlade. plus, he's off the books in a year and they get to dump chuck hayes, who's useless on their team.

why does la do it?

6th pick = athleticism/potential. one of porter, burke, and oladipo should be available at that spot. all could help the lakers. patterson is a shooting big man who could stretch the floor next to howard (assuming he stays). salmons can be a (very poor man's) kobe replacement early (if kobe's out) and a bench scorer later, and his deal is only guaranteed for 1 million after next year. hayes might be a sticking point, as he has 5 million guaranteed in 2015, but i think he's the kind of hustle guy this team has missed to some degree. he might shame others into playing hard. good character guy, by all accounts, and he's been a useful player at times in the past. this deal would also trim about 5 million off the payroll next year, which, in concert with amnestying mwp might make the tax bill slightly less painful.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby abeer3 on Fri May 17, 2013 12:15 pm

another possibility:

eric gordon, lance thomas (filler) and the 5th pick for pau.

why does NO do it? to get out from under gordon's deal. might not be good enough motivation, though.

why does la? take a chance on gordon working well with howard/enticing him to stay, get an athlete (as mentioned above), save a few bucks next year.

the sac one makes more sense for both teams.
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Postby abeer3 on Fri May 17, 2013 12:23 pm

i'm not done:

frye/beasley/4th pick for gasol

why for phx? gasol is way better than those two, and they're not signing anyone better in FA (not quite enough cash, not a great destination). i don't think they like beasley, and frye must missed a full year.

why for la? this one's sort of a no-brainer, which is why it probably doesn't make sense. they'd be adding frye's salary to 14-15, though, which isn't a bonus. then again, he could fit well next to howard.

i think phx says no.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby XXIV on Fri May 17, 2013 12:23 pm

It's not really a rumor, just a thought like what most of post here. According to the article the Hawks want to package their two picks to move up in the draft, don't quite see how that relates to them wanting Gasol.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby abeer3 on Fri May 17, 2013 12:27 pm

i don't see any possibilities with orlando, detroit, cleveland, or washington, and i wouldn't go any lower than minny at 9 if the goal is a lotto pick (and my real aim in a minny deal would probably be derrick williams and cap relief, which doesn't make sense for them given the huge raise pekovic is going to get and love's presence at the 4).

so i'm done.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby borri on Fri May 17, 2013 12:35 pm

Pau's HUGE expiring has got to count for something......
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Postby lakersin4 on Fri May 17, 2013 12:45 pm

XXIV wrote:It's not really a rumor, just a thought like what most of post here. According to the article the Hawks want to package their two picks to move up in the draft, don't quite see how that relates to them wanting Gasol.

The rumor isn't about Pau to ATL. It's about ATL & us both wanting to move up in the draft. They're offering their 2 picks, we're offering Pau.

I'd like to see if something could be worked out with Phoenix for their pick.. They're really down on Beasley & Shannon, I think both guys would be worth taking a look at for us. Shannon worst case we bench him when 24 is healthy & Beasley has proven he's a scorer off the bench.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby XXIV on Fri May 17, 2013 12:50 pm

borri wrote:Pau's HUGE expiring has got to count for something......


Sure, but it seems the Lakers want expirings back for the 2014 plan.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri May 17, 2013 1:11 pm

borri wrote:Pau's HUGE expiring has got to count for something......


The fear for me is that it's worth more to us than anyone else.... :man10:

If we go below the cap (2014 plan) I don't see us re-building in a meaningful way for a number of years.... not enough money to buy a Max player, 5 good ones and 3 decent ones..... and once you go above the cap again you are no longer a meaningful player in FA.

If we are going to return to glory under the new CBA it will heavily rely on the Draft. It's the only way to get good to great players for less than "retail" prices. FA are alway above "retail" price it seems and especially so for us if recent past is any indication.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Fri May 17, 2013 1:32 pm

Weezy wrote:That's funny, I was just watching the draft combine and wondered for a second that since this is not the best draft if we'd be able to trade Pau for a high pick to help trade him and cut cost at the same time, and this is the first thread I see as I open CL. Who knows if the rumor is true or not, but I think it might be a smart way to go, I believe there are some solid players to be had.

Yeah I watched the draft combine as well and even though there might not be those players that just jump out of the page for you there could be some nice, solid talent that could help us now not just on the court but with that rookie contract for a few years.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Fri May 17, 2013 1:35 pm

borri wrote:Pau's HUGE expiring has got to count for something......
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby abeer3 on Fri May 17, 2013 1:41 pm

XXIV wrote:
borri wrote:Pau's HUGE expiring has got to count for something......


Sure, but it seems the Lakers want expirings back for the 2014 plan.


right. to get a pick of value, the lakers would have to take on smaller but longer deals, imo, which cuts into next year's cap space. the sac trade I outlined above is an example. I think it's worth it, personally, but they don't pay me to run the team.
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Re: First Trade Rumor of the Off-Season: Pau for lotto pick

Postby Doc Brown on Fri May 17, 2013 1:52 pm

This draft IMO is weak on STAR players, which sucks for teams that are in the lottery because they suck and don't have that star player. For them this draft, won't be a homerun they are looking for.

However, there are going to be some solid ROLE players that could be had in this draft in the lottery. For us, that would be a huge steal because we seem to well not have any of those type players.

If we could move Pau and get a lottery pick and gain 2 or 3 solid role players out of the deal. It's a victory, not sexy, but a victory for the overall team nonetheless.
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