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Postby khmrP on Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:24 pm

LOSLAKERS wrote:I somewhat agree. I think Love, Kyrie and James is certainly better than Miami's 3, at least how they were as of last year. Even if they aren't as good, what they do have is like every free agent wanting to go over there cheap and the advantage of being in the East and not having to battle through a series of worthy opponents. There's also the chance that they get into the Finals and while they are playing the "best" team of the West, it's a good match up for them.


I think the Clev 3 is better individually then Mia's 3 but wonder how much Love/Irving will suck up their pride and be James side kick the way Bosh/Wade had to tone down their game.
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Postby LakerFanIam on Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:57 pm

^^^ The difference is… Wade & LeBron had to adapt to being on the floor together because they played a similar type of game… Bosh had to become a stretch 4 in order to open up the lane for the other two..

Kyrie, Love & Lebron are a much more balanced line up..
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Postby khmrP on Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:23 pm

^^^Irving dominates the ball as much as Wade does, so not sure what you talking bout "balanced" only advantage is Love is already a stretch 4 but his D on PnR wont be anything like Bosh lvl.
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Postby therealdeal on Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:28 pm

LakerFanIam wrote:^^^ The difference is… Wade & LeBron had to adapt to being on the floor together because they played a similar type of game… Bosh had to become a stretch 4 in order to open up the lane for the other two..

Kyrie, Love & Lebron are a much more balanced line up..

How so? Kyrie needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Love has never played with a player of Kyrie's caliber before in the NBA let alone LeBron. None of them were good defenders last year.

Bosh and Wade had to adjust their games at first... because they were better than Love and Kyrie. Wade, for all the hate I shower on that douche, is a 3-time NBA Champion and a Finals MVP winner. Kyrie has absolutely no idea what that means or feels like. There was a time when Wade was a very good defender. Kyrie has no idea what that means. Bosh was absolutely crucial to Miami's wins in the Finals. His ability to score under pressure, put the ball on the floor and get to the rim, and just get timely baskets was what set them apart. Love doesn't know the first thing about that.

Everyone wants to say they go well together, but I don't see it. Especially not at first. They're going to have a tough time for a while figuring each other out.
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Lakers Work Out Beasley (408)

Postby LakerJack on Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:36 pm

So Love is gone for 2015. Who do the Lakers go after to go with Klay Thompson?
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Postby Rooscooter on Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:41 pm

LakerJack wrote:So Love is gone for 2015. Who do the Lakers go after to go with Klay Thompson?


Why would GS let him walk for nothing?

Why would he come here if he was FA?

I just don't see us attracting good players unless we way over pay.....
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Postby LakersN4 on Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:59 pm

Klay said he wants the max & GS still wasn't willing to trade him for Love.. Don't think he's going anywhere.. I expect Marc Gasol to be our #1 target, might go after Rondo too unless Lin has a great season.
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Postby earvinfr on Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:26 am

Stupid Wolves. Trading Love for 2 players having yet to prove they can play at a high level, while they could get Nash, 2 time MVP and future HOF. :man2:
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Lakers Work Out Beasley (408)

Postby khmrP on Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:45 am

LakersN4 wrote:Klay said he wants the max & GS still wasn't willing to trade him for Love.. Don't think he's going anywhere.. I expect Marc Gasol to be our #1 target, might go after Rondo too unless Lin has a great season.


I think our "save cap" plan for year after year is gona end up being like Dall....we'll eventually give some one the max it just wont be the player we hoped for. Next year I dont see Marc, Aldridge going anywhere and those 2 are the only 2 I'd be interested in.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:41 am

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LakersN4 wrote:Klay said he wants the max & GS still wasn't willing to trade him for Love.. Don't think he's going anywhere.. I expect Marc Gasol to be our #1 target, might go after Rondo too unless Lin has a great season.


I think our "save cap" plan for year after year is gona end up being like Dall....we'll eventually give some one the max it just wont be the player we hoped for. Next year I dont see Marc, Aldridge going anywhere and those 2 are the only 2 I'd be interested in.


and if they do go somewhere at their ages it's to a team that is on the upswing and/or ready. That isn't us.

We aren't going to attract anyone until we get better through the draft IMHO. That is going to be nearly impossible for a few years as we traded most of our picks away. Kobe will be gone in a couple years then we hit the bottom and start over. Something may come out of left field but that seems so remote based on what's going on and who may be available.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:43 am

LakersN4 wrote:Klay said he wants the max & GS still wasn't willing to trade him for Love.. Don't think he's going anywhere.. I expect Marc Gasol to be our #1 target, might go after Rondo too unless Lin has a great season.


I'm not sure I'm buying that line from GS.... I think it was more like Love wasn't willing to guarantee extending and that's the story that was put out to the press. Klay is a good 3rd wheel on a very good team. I'd put him in the poor man's Danny Granger (prime) area actually.
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Postby khmrP on Fri Aug 08, 2014 11:20 am

I feel like this cap saving plan is quite restrictive to other moves that would benefit this team now and in the future, prime example is Hill contract to Stephenson contract. This feels like a lesser plan than the ones we had after Shaq trade where they supposedly were saving their cap for eventual Yao and/or Amare contract offer. Obviously Pau was that left field trade that changed everything. As Roos said however, dont see it happening anymore with the new CBA, I already think 2015 off-season is gona be another failure because there really aren't any franchise changing players that is available AND will be willing to leave. Marc was/is the closest thing to it but money and his love for Mem and recent statements about playing with Zbo for remainder of his career doesn't help our chances any.
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Postby Savory Griddles on Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:25 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
LakersN4 wrote:Klay said he wants the max & GS still wasn't willing to trade him for Love.. Don't think he's going anywhere.. I expect Marc Gasol to be our #1 target, might go after Rondo too unless Lin has a great season.


I'm not sure I'm buying that line from GS.... I think it was more like Love wasn't willing to guarantee extending and that's the story that was put out to the press. Klay is a good 3rd wheel on a very good team. I'd put him in the poor man's Danny Granger (prime) area actually.


I agree. Klay is certainly NOT worth max money, which may work to our advantage. If he's only going to get 10 million or so per year, then it boils down to where he wants to play. He's a SoCal kid who grew up a Laker fan. I would love Klay for around 9-10 million or so.
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Postby LakersN4 on Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:32 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
LakersN4 wrote:Klay said he wants the max & GS still wasn't willing to trade him for Love.. Don't think he's going anywhere.. I expect Marc Gasol to be our #1 target, might go after Rondo too unless Lin has a great season.


I'm not sure I'm buying that line from GS.... I think it was more like Love wasn't willing to guarantee extending and that's the story that was put out to the press. Klay is a good 3rd wheel on a very good team. I'd put him in the poor man's Danny Granger (prime) area actually.

Love wasn't willing to extend in Cleveland either.. He's going to wait to hit free agency & have the option of getting the full 5 year max just like every other superstar. He did give a verbal commitment to re-signing in both GS & Cle, which is as much as you're ever going to get from a star that can be a UFA.
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Postby jlkr on Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:39 pm

Have to remember if Love puts pen to paper on a contract now, he can only get an extension of the current deal and the extension is only good for 3 years, iirc. It actually pays him more to wait til next year, then opt out, at that point he can get the full 5 years.
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Postby Toklat on Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:37 am

We have a great mix of young and veteran players. We are on the way back now. Good athletic players with the right coach. I'm just not seeing this suck factor I read so much about. Seems to be a lot of negative pessimism to help people cope that are afraid to put it all on the line. From the front office down the team is now doing what it needs to rebuild. I think the possibility of Beasley turning it around is worth the little risk. It could go either way but with this group of hard working guys he would completely stand out as the only shirker on the team. I think he will buy in.
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Postby therealdeal on Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:26 am

jlkr wrote:Have to remember if Love puts pen to paper on a contract now, he can only get an extension of the current deal and the extension is only good for 3 years, iirc. It actually pays him more to wait til next year, then opt out, at that point he can get the full 5 years.

I think the extension they've been talking about is a wink-wink about Love coming back even after getting to free agency, right? Otherwise it doesn't make sense for him.
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Postby LakersN4 on Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:34 am

therealdeal wrote:
jlkr wrote:Have to remember if Love puts pen to paper on a contract now, he can only get an extension of the current deal and the extension is only good for 3 years, iirc. It actually pays him more to wait til next year, then opt out, at that point he can get the full 5 years.

I think the extension they've been talking about is a wink-wink about Love coming back even after getting to free agency, right? Otherwise it doesn't make sense for him.

Yes.. He committed to re-signing after the season when he becomes a FA.

& it looks like it might come back to bite the Cavs.. There is talk of the NBA blocking the trade because they talked to Love about re-signing during the moratorium after Wiggins signed his contract.
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Postby lukewaltonsdad on Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:34 am

We had 3 players going into this offseason...Nash, Sacre, and Kobe. Truth be told, I don't ever think that was enough to entice FA in today's market. Nash is done, Sacre is an end of the bench rotation player, and Kobe is coming off two major injuries. Still, we filled out the roster, and will probably see a 10-12 game improvement IMO.

Next year, we should have at least players on the roster with the hopes that some of young guys are developing and moving in the right direction...we'll have Kobe, Randall, Young, Kelly, Clarkston(more than likely), Sacre, and a Houston 1st and 2nd (highly protected) that will more than likely be in the high teens low 20's to add another young piece. Not to mention the capspace we preserved...here's hoping that our younger guys show out and have successful seasons...
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Postby lukewaltonsdad on Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:38 am

LakersN4 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
jlkr wrote:Have to remember if Love puts pen to paper on a contract now, he can only get an extension of the current deal and the extension is only good for 3 years, iirc. It actually pays him more to wait til next year, then opt out, at that point he can get the full 5 years.

I think the extension they've been talking about is a wink-wink about Love coming back even after getting to free agency, right? Otherwise it doesn't make sense for him.

Yes.. He committed to re-signing after the season when he becomes a FA.

& it looks like it might come back to bite the Cavs.. There is talk of the NBA blocking the trade because they talked to Love about re-signing during the moratorium after Wiggins signed his contract.


That's only if the Cavs are dumb enough to have something in writing...otherwise, the NBA won't do anything about it.
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Postby therealdeal on Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:48 am

Well apparently they're already using the acquisition as a selling point to free agents, so I wouldn't be surprised if they get some sort of slap on the wrist.

But the NBA won't block this trade. That's reserved for the Lakers.

Wiggins for Love straight up (after the Philly deal)= okay.

Gasol/Odom for Paul= not okay.
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Postby lukewaltonsdad on Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:53 am

Actually, I'm mistaken...it doesn't only have to be put in writing according to Windhorst...

Sources confirmed to ESPN.com that the Cavs and Love can make no such arrangements about the future, even verbally, without violating salary cap circumvention rules in the league's collective bargaining agreement. Love has made it widely known he intends to opt out of his contract at season's end to become a free agent in July 2015, but the circumvention rules state that any discussions between the Cavs and Love regarding any future contract cannot take place until Love becomes a free agent next summer.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:01 am

lukewaltonsdad wrote:Actually, I'm mistaken...it doesn't only have to be put in writing according to Windhorst...

Sources confirmed to ESPN.com that the Cavs and Love can make no such arrangements about the future, even verbally, without violating salary cap circumvention rules in the league's collective bargaining agreement. Love has made it widely known he intends to opt out of his contract at season's end to become a free agent in July 2015, but the circumvention rules state that any discussions between the Cavs and Love regarding any future contract cannot take place until Love becomes a free agent next summer.


....and if anyone believes this is followed I've got a bridge for sale.....
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Lakers Work Out Beasley (408)

Postby trodgers on Sat Aug 09, 2014 11:00 am

Rooscooter wrote:
lukewaltonsdad wrote:Actually, I'm mistaken...it doesn't only have to be put in writing according to Windhorst...

Sources confirmed to ESPN.com that the Cavs and Love can make no such arrangements about the future, even verbally, without violating salary cap circumvention rules in the league's collective bargaining agreement. Love has made it widely known he intends to opt out of his contract at season's end to become a free agent in July 2015, but the circumvention rules state that any discussions between the Cavs and Love regarding any future contract cannot take place until Love becomes a free agent next summer.


....and if anyone believes this is followed I've got a bridge for sale.....

Them's the rules, but we all know that's not how things play out.
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Lakers Work Out Beasley (408)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Aug 09, 2014 11:11 am

trodgers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
lukewaltonsdad wrote:Actually, I'm mistaken...it doesn't only have to be put in writing according to Windhorst...

Sources confirmed to ESPN.com that the Cavs and Love can make no such arrangements about the future, even verbally, without violating salary cap circumvention rules in the league's collective bargaining agreement. Love has made it widely known he intends to opt out of his contract at season's end to become a free agent in July 2015, but the circumvention rules state that any discussions between the Cavs and Love regarding any future contract cannot take place until Love becomes a free agent next summer.


....and if anyone believes this is followed I've got a bridge for sale.....

Them's the rules, but we all know that's not how things play out.


Yup.... We'll see if the league does anything. They can't undue the trade because there it wasn't a "term" of the deal I'd think. Everyone seems to forget that the Hornets were in possession of the entire league and the Commissioner was responsible for OKing their transactions.... this is a completely different situation here.

My guess is a fine.
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