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Postby therealdeal on Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:30 am

^ We might actually. We're not likely to make many trades this year where we receive more than we send out right? We don't have those kinds of assets. I wouldn't see the harm this year in maxing out the roster if we could sign Beasley and another PG somewhere.


Either way the point remains, I don't want to hand anything to Beasley at all. I want him to come in and show he wants it and show he's worth the time and effort.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:41 pm

Nick Young's reputation wasn't much different than Beasley's... different back stories but similar results.

While Young is what he is.... Beasley has a fairly unique set of talents for a guy his size. I'm not a huge stat guy but at BB Reference his per 100 possessions stuff is pretty impressive. If this guy has the ability to straighten it out why not here? His ceiling is an All Star.... Wes is at or above his IMO.

Nick is fun to watch at times and he's a fan favorite. He's also at his ceiling as a player.

if it were me..... I'd take a minimum chance on Beasley.... I'd start him and see if he can cope... if not then cut him. If he does respond then cut Wes. You don't need them both and I've never seen much is Wes that we can't get on the waiver wire anyway.
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Postby LakersN4 on Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:49 pm

I don't think it could hurt to sign Beasley.. He's played with very good players but I don't think he's ever played with anyone that will get in his face like Kobe. This would be a good situation for Beas to see if he's ever going to sink or swim in this league.
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Postby halekulani on Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:14 pm

while i wouldn't mind signing supercoolbeas, i wouldn't cut wes' minutes. i'd much rather develop wes. anything you get out of beasley is a bonus. i think the 19ppg minnesota version is a longshot.
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Postby LakersN4 on Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:35 pm

halekulani wrote:while i wouldn't mind signing supercoolbeas, i wouldn't cut wes' minutes. i'd much rather develop wes. anything you get out of beasley is a bonus. i think the 19ppg minnesota version is a longshot.

Wes is 27, there isn't much developing to do at this point.. Beasley however is 25 & already has a 20 PPG season under his belt.. He has real potential to be something more than a low level role player.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:00 pm

I just don't understand the mentality of giving Beasley anything. Give him a minimum contract and let him earn his minutes. So far Wesley has done far more than Beasley to endear himself to us.

As for Beasley vs. Young, their stories were actually pretty different. I'd say Beasley is more like JR Smith. Young was looked at as a goofball and not focused enough, but I don't think he was ever characterized as a negative locker room presence. At least not the same way.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:13 pm

halekulani wrote:while i wouldn't mind signing supercoolbeas, i wouldn't cut wes' minutes. i'd much rather develop wes. anything you get out of beasley is a bonus. i think the 19ppg minnesota version is a longshot.


His production per minute in his career has been remarkably consistent. If he got 28 minutes a game I think he could get us 15+ easily. His problem has been focus and dedication.... just like Wes. You see a glimpse every now an again with Wes but he just doesn't seem to care. Beasley, when engages is actually pretty darn good. If we could get a system going where he is required to participate I think he would respond well.


.... as for comparing the two. Wes is a true bust. He's never fulfilled his draft spot. Beasley has failed to stick with teams but he's put up numbers that show he's got the talent and ability when engaged. Wes, even when playing at the top of his game is a bench role player on a decent team.

With Scott I'd say that no one has earned anything..... what Wes did last year in MDA's system won't translate with Scott.
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Postby thkthebest on Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:24 pm

Wes definitely sucks, but at the same time, I don't really want Beasley. Sure, he can be somewhat productive, but how much will that really help our team? Beasley seems like a guy who would be detrimental to our locker room. I've read reports of how he's "toxic" to the team, and that sounds like it's much worse than simply smoking weed. While the Lakers are working toward building a championship caliber team (no matter how long that might take), I want us to develop a team that has the mentality of competing, working hard, and being focused.

Beasley would net us a few extra wins right now, but I want to sign players that have good attitudes, which can help us in the long run.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:35 pm

We're not really looking at Wesley Johnson the #4 pick though. We're looking at Wesley Johnson the best perimeter defender we potentially have. With Kobe Bryant at there we're going to need a guy like Wes to defend the other team's best player. Scott has already said he is looking forward to coaching Wesley and grooming him for that role.

Regardless of being a bust in the draft, we need what he brings more than inconsistent effort offensively with no defense.

Again, unless Beasley comes in and proves me wrong by playing team ball and defending effectively, I see no reason to give him ANYTHING. Let him take it from Wesley. We expect the same from Randle vs. Boozer, why give Beasley any more credit than that? He hasn't proven to be a winner by any stretch, a team player by any means, heck he hasn't even shown he's a half way decent kid. He's just been a butthead that's bounced around the League. Let him prove something first.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:42 pm

thkthebest wrote:Wes definitely sucks, but at the same time, I don't really want Beasley.


I somewhat agree.... that should tell you what I think of Wes more than what I think of Beasley....

thkthebest wrote:Beasley would net us a few extra wins right now, but I want to sign players that have good attitudes, which can help us in the long run.


I've said this before.... my take is that we are looking for the next star are are not really looking to "rebuild" in a true sense until that player is secured. I think we'd trade Randle in a NY Minute if we could get a 30 year old "star"....

Finding a "turn around" in Beasley would be more something to cheer for at least. We did it with Wes last year and it was for not.... why go back to a known in a toss away year?

I've heard that Beasley has had issues in the locker room as well..... wouldn't be the first time we've taken on a project.

I just don't want to watch Wes anymore and will take a 10% chance that Beasley works out to get there....
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Postby purp n gold on Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:33 pm

Must keep Randle away from Beasley at all costs...
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Postby Savory Griddles on Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:06 am

purp n gold wrote:Must keep Randle away from Beasley at all costs...


Maybe. Don't want Randle testing positive due to second-hand Beas
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Postby LakersN4 on Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:26 pm

Lol @ thinking Beas could influence ANYONE with guys like Kobe, Byron, Boozer, Nash around. He'd be lucky to get away with influencing a towel boy.
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Postby LakersN4 on Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:14 am

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/31/report-rajon-rondo-has-told-celtics-he-wants-out/I really doubt they want another PG so Lin as a centerpiece of a deal is probably out.. This brings me to the tough question.. Do we give up Randle for Rondo?

Randle & Nash for Rondo probably gets it done. I'd love to get Olynyk back too but either way I think I pull the trigger. I know people will will point to Kobe & Wes not being good enough shooters to cover for Rondo but let's not forget about Nick Young.. He gave us over 2 3's a game at .386.. Boozer & Kelly can shoot, Hill's jumper isn't bad for a C.. I think we can make it work. Seeing how hard Kobe & Rondo will compete would be extremely fun.
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Postby Center Court on Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:27 am

LakersN4 wrote:http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/31/report-rajon-rondo-has-told-celtics-he-wants-out/I really doubt they want another PG so Lin as a centerpiece of a deal is probably out.. This brings me to the tough question.. Do we give up Randle for Rondo?

Randle & Nash for Rondo probably gets it done. I'd love to get Olynyk back too but either way I think I pull the trigger. I know people will will point to Kobe & Wes not being good enough shooters to cover for Rondo but let's not forget about Nick Young.. He gave us over 2 3's a game at .386.. Boozer & Kelly can shoot, Hill's jumper isn't bad for a C.. I think we can make it work. Seeing how hard Kobe & Rondo will compete would be extremely fun.


Nope. Randle, for sake of argument, is nearly untouchable. It's not because he is such a can't miss prospect like Wiggins, but because he is literally the only semblance of a future stud we have. If he develops into a great 3rd/2nd option (or better) on a championship level team, then we struck gold. I'm very curious to see how he translates to the NBA but I think he can be a nice player in the league.

IMO, Rondo will be a Laker if he hits free agency. We're going to have a huge hole a PG, max cap space, and a yearning desire to sign a star.

Ainge is a shrewd GM so I'm sure he will insist on Julius but I'm confident Mitch won't budge. They can have Lin + Nash + Houston 1st but that's about the best we can do for now.
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Postby abeer3 on Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:35 am

Beasley isn't nick young because young hasn't had all the off-court problems, nor has he been accused of being a problem in the locker room. those are actually huge differences, imo. on the court, they're fairly similar, though.

I don't really want Beasley. if he hasn't gotten it yet, he's not going to. I'd rather not bring in anybody, quite frankly.
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Postby LakersN4 on Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:02 pm

Center Court wrote:
LakersN4 wrote:http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/31/report-rajon-rondo-has-told-celtics-he-wants-out/I really doubt they want another PG so Lin as a centerpiece of a deal is probably out.. This brings me to the tough question.. Do we give up Randle for Rondo?

Randle & Nash for Rondo probably gets it done. I'd love to get Olynyk back too but either way I think I pull the trigger. I know people will will point to Kobe & Wes not being good enough shooters to cover for Rondo but let's not forget about Nick Young.. He gave us over 2 3's a game at .386.. Boozer & Kelly can shoot, Hill's jumper isn't bad for a C.. I think we can make it work. Seeing how hard Kobe & Rondo will compete would be extremely fun.


Nope. Randle, for sake of argument, is nearly untouchable. It's not because he is such a can't miss prospect like Wiggins, but because he is literally the only semblance of a future stud we have. If he develops into a great 3rd/2nd option (or better) on a championship level team, then we struck gold. I'm very curious to see how he translates to the NBA but I think he can be a nice player in the league.

IMO, Rondo will be a Laker if he hits free agency. We're going to have a huge hole a PG, max cap space, and a yearning desire to sign a star.

Ainge is a shrewd GM so I'm sure he will insist on Julius but I'm confident Mitch won't budge. They can have Lin + Nash + Houston 1st but that's about the best we can do for now.
Taking on Nash wouldn't make sense as that's extra salary, unless they're trying to unload more salary.. Maybe Rondo & Green for Lin, Nash, Hou 1st? That'd be pretty sick.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:22 pm

Don't know how much Terry has in the tank these days but he's a proven playoff performer and a veteran influence that the mental midgets in Houston sorely need.
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:27 pm

Terry always struck me as an over-confident mental midget.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:30 pm

Center Court wrote:
LakersN4 wrote:http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/31/report-rajon-rondo-has-told-celtics-he-wants-out/I really doubt they want another PG so Lin as a centerpiece of a deal is probably out.. This brings me to the tough question.. Do we give up Randle for Rondo?

Randle & Nash for Rondo probably gets it done. I'd love to get Olynyk back too but either way I think I pull the trigger. I know people will will point to Kobe & Wes not being good enough shooters to cover for Rondo but let's not forget about Nick Young.. He gave us over 2 3's a game at .386.. Boozer & Kelly can shoot, Hill's jumper isn't bad for a C.. I think we can make it work. Seeing how hard Kobe & Rondo will compete would be extremely fun.


Nope. Randle, for sake of argument, is nearly untouchable. It's not because he is such a can't miss prospect like Wiggins, but because he is literally the only semblance of a future stud we have. If he develops into a great 3rd/2nd option (or better) on a championship level team, then we struck gold. I'm very curious to see how he translates to the NBA but I think he can be a nice player in the league.

IMO, Rondo will be a Laker if he hits free agency. We're going to have a huge hole a PG, max cap space, and a yearning desire to sign a star.

Ainge is a shrewd GM so I'm sure he will insist on Julius but I'm confident Mitch won't budge. They can have Lin + Nash + Houston 1st but that's about the best we can do for now.


I've always advocated for Rondo in the past. He's one of the better "big game" players in the NBA and plays both ends of the floor. Pairing him with a 32 year old Kobe would have been fantastic as Rondo isn't the type of PG that needs to ball all the time to be productive.

WTS.... He's not the kind of guy we build around at this point in his career. He's best at making others better and would be a "finishing touch" to a rebuilt team. We are 3 to 5 years away from being "rebuilt" to the point that we are a true challenger again unless some lightening starts striking.....

..... as for Randle being "untouchable"? The guy hasn't played a game in the league and he's "Untouchable". The first pick in the draft has been touched..... and Cleveland is better for it. I'd not only say that Randle is "touchable' and if he begins to show promise we will probable touch him to get a new star to replace Kobe. Nothing this front office is doing tells me that they care one bit about building from youth.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:32 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:Terry always struck me as an over-confident mental midget.


This was in "relative" terms.... :man1:

For what he is.... he's still got more actual experience than either of the clowns leading that team....
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Postby TIME on Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:55 pm

About to hit page 420 and a Beasley signing is under consideration.

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Postby LakersN4 on Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:19 am

I've come around since my initial post & agree with not giving up Randle for Rondo.. I would consider sweetening the deal for them & taking on more salary though.. I'm sure we could find a 3rd team to take Lin for a player on an expiring contract that plays a position of need for them, which definitely isn't PG.. Expiring from 3rd team, Nash, Hou 1st for Rondo & Green.. They get rid of 2 of their 3 biggest contracts & gain a 1st.. Create playing time for Bradley/Smart & bring in a great mentor for both in Nash. We get an allstar a season early & likely the inside track & keeping him in FA for basically Nash & pieces we got for cap space. & a solid starting F in Green.

Rondo/Crawford/Filler or FA
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Postby kenzo on Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:16 am

Rondo wants out... Too bad we have nothing to offer.
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