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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:26 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Not saying we should trade Pau for him, but....

I'd love a guy like Varejao on the team. Always plays 100%, always rebounds, always plays defense and never needs a play called for him on the offensive end. He's started off great this season.


He'd be our nuevo-Rambis......
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby thkthebest on Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:29 pm

Varejao is awesome. He's been really underrated his entire career.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:16 pm

Bulls trying to move Richard Hamilton? $5 mil guaranteed. somehow get rid of duhon and morris for him?
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby XXIV on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:20 pm

^ Are they really trying to move him? He's been playing really well with Rose being out.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:21 pm

It’s really no surprise, but the Bulls are having no luck trying to move Richard Hamilton, whose $5 million in 2012-13 is fully guaranteed. New York Daily News
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby XXIV on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:24 pm

In that case I'd love to grab him, if Brown won't play Meeks maybe he'll play Hamilton.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby ben_ready on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:27 pm

escobar8 wrote:i wouldnt mind that trade...i think people a lil bit overrating pau here...
he sucked for last two years...he knows to disappear over the season and even in play offs...while geting 20mil...
he is slow and weakminded...and people are allways finding excuses for him...
is he one of the most skilled and one of the most smartest big men in the game...???yes he is...but that doesnt mean much when other players are runing around you, while he is not capable to punish other players on offense...he is now much better version of luke walton( dont want to realy compare them...its more like example of good IQ player but with out athletic abilities)botom line he is weak and slow...j.smith can solve that problems...i know we are losing skiled big man but thats why have nash...imagine Pnr between nash and smith or dwight...thats unstopable...we need fresh blood...plus he would be only 3-4 option...he might be perfect adition while playing under nash kobe and howard...plus i dont think pau would make atl any better...maybe its time to go to club who drafted him in the first place...

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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:28 pm

I was fully against Pau for Smoove unless we could also get Teague.. But it's clear that this team is just too old & not athletic enough.. I'd rather get a stud SF like Granger & in a perfect world West with him, but I would do Pau for Josh Smith right now. We're going to continue to get ran out of the gym as currently constructed. Knowing Mike Clown, he'd play Josh at SF though.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby ben_ready on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:34 pm

Love to see Lakers fam coming around. Hi iq means nothing when you can't stop nobody.pau gets discourage too easy, not good. Plus josh can guard 3's enabling aj to guard 4's which he should only be doing these days. And we would be better at trans d, which is killing us this year yell™
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:39 pm

^^Josh Smith can't guard 3's..... he blocks shots and that's about it.... on offense he dunks and that's about it...

Have you watched him in the set offense?.... I mean really watched him?... He has no clue how to play with anyone much less guys like Howard and Kobe.... When the game slows down in the playoffs any advantage he brings to the Hawks is nullified by his lack of fundamentals and BBIQ.....

Massively overrated player.......
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby King of Clutch on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:50 pm

I would be fine with pau being traded. But before i'd pull that trade, i'd try moving him to the bench. Sorry pau, but you're not the same player anymore. Would rather have him as the backup center in his natural positions, than starting pf. Thought this should be done since the first game the big 4 played together against sacramento in the preseason. Reason why he keeps getting burned and blown by is because they're putting a slow CENTER in pick and rolls. He's not a power forward, and can't play it anymore. He used to be able to handle it, but he just can't anymore. ESPECIALLY not at his age. I would rather have jamison start in his place. It would definitely spread the floor and give dwight room to wreak havok in the low post surrounded by 3pt shooters in the lineup. Creating an environment similar to orlando. And off the bench, pau wont be put in as many pick n rolls as the back up center, because he'll be guarding centers as slow as he is. He'll still be playing 30 mins a night, much like crawford, or terry.

starters: Nash, kobe, metta, jamison, dwight (still a helluva starting lineup)
Bench: Blake, meeks, ebanks, hill, pau

Only problems I can see this causing is defense. But I would think that jamison would be better dealing with quick guards getting switched in pick n rolls than gasol, who has been horrible in this aspect since 2011.So it might not affect it as much as people think. But if that too doesn't work. Might as well trade gasol. Smith may not be the better player, but he definitely is the better player for what we NEED. Athleticism, youth, speed, and defense.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby therealdeal on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:54 pm

So what does Pau Gasol have to do before Laker fans are ready to stop throwing him under the bus? He's played well to start the season and we're putting it on him that we're losing? We're trying to get Smith for him?

If Pau expires and we have a chance to get Smith, that's maybe one thing but trading Pau for him? Jesus, no.

And moving him to the bench would be worse. Not only is he playing fewer minutes and playing less effectively, but you have 19 million dollars on the bench losing any potential trade value. That's insanity.

Pau isn't the problem here. Not by a long shot.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:02 pm

therealdeal wrote:So what does Pau Gasol have to do before Laker fans are ready to stop throwing him under the bus? He's played well to start the season and we're putting it on him that we're losing? We're trying to get Smith for him?

If Pau expires and we have a chance to get Smith, that's maybe one thing but trading Pau for him? Jesus, no.

And moving him to the bench would be worse. Not only is he playing fewer minutes and playing less effectively, but you have 19 million dollars on the bench losing any potential trade value. That's insanity.

Pau isn't the problem here. Not by a long shot.

Well said. Pau has played solid basketball so far. Needs to get better on the defensive end of the floor, but so does everyone else on the team. Trading him right now makes no sense at all. I don't see the point of trading Pau for Smith. Pau is the better player first of all, but he's also the much better fit. Smith and Howard don't fit we'll at all on the offensive side of the ball. Lane would be extremely clogged for both because neither space the floor at all.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:05 pm

therealdeal wrote:So what does Pau Gasol have to do before Laker fans are ready to stop throwing him under the bus? He's played well to start the season and we're putting it on him that we're losing? We're trying to get Smith for him?

If Pau expires and we have a chance to get Smith, that's maybe one thing but trading Pau for him? Jesus, no.

And moving him to the bench would be worse. Not only is he playing fewer minutes and playing less effectively, but you have 19 million dollars on the bench losing any potential trade value. That's insanity.

Pau isn't the problem here. Not by a long shot.


You must quit watching when we cross half court on the defensive end....... he's been beyond horrible on rotations, blocking out or just about anything else on that end of the floor. On the offensive side of things we have a 7'-1 SF shooting and missing 18 foot jumpers while his man is in Howard's lap.....

His stats may be O.K... but so are everyone's.... his lack of anything other that pass first attitude is a huge problem.... the most effort he puts into anything on the defensive end is explaining to Howard what happened on the rotations...... while shrugging....
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby King of Clutch on Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:07 pm

therealdeal wrote:So what does Pau Gasol have to do before Laker fans are ready to stop throwing him under the bus? He's played well to start the season and we're putting it on him that we're losing? We're trying to get Smith for him?

If Pau expires and we have a chance to get Smith, that's maybe one thing but trading Pau for him? Jesus, no.

And moving him to the bench would be worse. Not only is he playing fewer minutes and playing less effectively, but you have 19 million dollars on the bench losing any potential trade value. That's insanity.

Pau isn't the problem here. Not by a long shot.

How would it be worse? And you say its crazy to trade pau, yet you want to keep hi value high to trade him. lol I don't get it. Pau can't play pf. Its about time people realize this. He's just not quick enough, and is getting up there in age. Let's say we play miami. Lbj plays the 3, and battier plays the 4 (he's been guarding the 4's so far this season). Do you honestly think pau would be able to close out to battier for all the threes he'll be taking for lbjs penetration? lol ibaka couldn't even do that in last years finals, and he's 100 times quicker than pau.Same goes with kd if the thunder plays small ball, and the spurs as well. Popovich is smart enough to know that duncan can't play pf anymore, so he doesn't put him at that position. Same goes with pau. Pau is a center. And he needs to go back to playing it.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby LakerFan1235 on Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:09 pm

^But still, Pau is the least of our worries. He is not being used correctly. But then again, 90% of the team isn't being used to their maximum potential with MB running the show.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby karacha on Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:09 pm

I agree. Maybe he's not playing with the right kind of energy, but he's still good. Expensive, but we'll have to live with that. If he only was able to rest a little and if other players were clicking on the offense, he'd have a much easier time. But right now, he's probably the most comfortable guy on the court. He should play more in the post IMO. Yes, he can hit some shots, but I want to see him either putting moves on whoever is guarding him in the post -- or passing the ball to Dwight, which he knows how to do.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby King of Clutch on Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:13 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
therealdeal wrote:So what does Pau Gasol have to do before Laker fans are ready to stop throwing him under the bus? He's played well to start the season and we're putting it on him that we're losing? We're trying to get Smith for him?

If Pau expires and we have a chance to get Smith, that's maybe one thing but trading Pau for him? Jesus, no.

And moving him to the bench would be worse. Not only is he playing fewer minutes and playing less effectively, but you have 19 million dollars on the bench losing any potential trade value. That's insanity.

Pau isn't the problem here. Not by a long shot.


You must quit watching when we cross half court on the defensive end....... he's been beyond horrible on rotations, blocking out or just about anything else on that end of the floor. On the offensive side of things we have a 7'-1 SF shooting and missing 18 foot jumpers while his man is in Howard's lap.....

His stats may be O.K... but so are everyone's.... his lack of anything other that pass first attitude is a huge problem.... the most effort he puts into anything on the defensive end is explaining to Howard what happened on the rotations...... while shrugging....


this. I keep hearing smith clogging the lane, well gasol has clearly gotten worse at shooting jumpers. He's been bricking wide open mid range jumpers so far this season. I honestly think smith is just as good a mid range shooter. Now he takes boneheaded 3s that he bricks alot so I think ppl confuse that with thinking he can't shoot. But from the mid range he's much better.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:13 pm

^^Again... you guys are "boxscoring" this..... watch the play and quit looking at the stats... He's playing on the perimeter all of the time and his man is constantly in the key zoning Howard and Kobe..... why? because he knows.... as we all do what Pau's going to do.... pass it like a hot potato or settle for a 20 footer....

On the other end of the floor I'm not sure how anyone could watch the last two games and say he's not among our biggest problems....
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby The Original 81 on Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:19 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^Again... you guys are "boxscoring" this..... watch the play and quit looking at the stats... He's playing on the perimeter all of the time and his man is constantly in the key zoning Howard and Kobe..... why? because he knows.... as we all do what Pau's going to do.... pass it like a hot potato or settle for a 20 footer....

On the other end of the floor I'm not sure how anyone could watch the last two games and say he's not among our biggest problems....


Yep. Howard isn't immune from criticism at that end, but man is Pau awful in his rotations. I cringe everytime I see him hedging strong.

Again, maybe he'd have more lift on his jumpers and more energy on the defensive end if Brown wasn't running him into the ground. And I do like the high-low alley oops to Howard. But he is not hitting enough of his jumpers and is not aggressive enough. Same problems, different season...
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby Center Court on Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:23 pm

Seems like Pau's either a step slower or just really out of his comfort zone with Brown. I think right now he is best used as a center.

Having said that, Pau's ability to make smart basketball plays is one fo the reasons the Princeton was the offense chosen. Smith clearly is not the smartest player but he would make this team drastically better on the defensive end.

All in all, both have pitfalls, but I am getting tired of seeing lazy rebounding and boxing out and I'm pretty sure I saw Dwight get angry with him at one point last game.

And I'm not sure how he "hinted" anything. He has no affiliation to the franchise outside of his oncourt legacy. He was stating his fantasy trade would be Pau for Smith. He's been saying that for awhile.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:26 pm

therealdeal wrote:So what does Pau Gasol have to do before Laker fans are ready to stop throwing him under the bus? He's played well to start the season and we're putting it on him that we're losing? We're trying to get Smith for him?

If Pau expires and we have a chance to get Smith, that's maybe one thing but trading Pau for him? Jesus, no.

And moving him to the bench would be worse. Not only is he playing fewer minutes and playing less effectively, but you have 19 million dollars on the bench losing any potential trade value. That's insanity.

Pau isn't the problem here. Not by a long shot.

It's not about Pau's play or skillset. He's the most offensively skilled big in the league & that's why it's been so hard to part with him. We're just an old slow team now & the twin towers approach is doing nothing but adding to the problems. We need to get younger & faster. Josh Smith is one of the few players we can trade Pau for without hurting our interior defense. Pau is the better player but Josh would help solve our biggest weakness. No he can't create offense the way Pau does, but with Nash out there creating for guys & 2 of the top 5 players in the league, we'll be just fine on offense. We will miss his passing alot but Dwight is a very capable passer when we're running the offense through the bigs.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby Finwë on Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:07 pm

Rooscooter wrote:You must quit watching when we cross half court on the defensive end....... he's been beyond horrible on rotations, blocking out or just about anything else on that end of the floor. On the offensive side of things we have a 7'-1 SF shooting and missing 18 foot jumpers while his man is in Howard's lap.....

His stats may be O.K... but so are everyone's.... his lack of anything other that pass first attitude is a huge problem.... the most effort he puts into anything on the defensive end is explaining to Howard what happened on the rotations...... while shrugging....

Pretty much this
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:12 pm

The thing that concerns me about Pau is that he can't jump or catch the ball anymore. I swear he gets no higher then the bottom of the backboard when he jumps. He drops way to many passes thrown to him as well. He plays below the rim and with the athletes in today's game, you just can't do that around the hoop.

Pau had a chance to block Willie Green, of all people, going up for a dunk in the Clips game and just hedged at him and gave him a free bucket.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby D.B. Cooper on Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:16 pm

Pretty frustrating when he drops passes, is camped out by the 3pt line and doesn't try to defend the basket. I'm not saying Smith is the answer but we need to get younger.

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