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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby trodgers on Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:45 am

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trodgers wrote:Cheap(ish) players who can contribute we could look to add? We're going to need bodies in that lineup...

PG
Shaun Livingston
Jerryd Bayless
Jimmer Fredette
Aaron Brooks

WING
Danny Granger
Thabo Sefolosha
Mike Miller

BIG
Emeka Okafor
DeJuan Blair
Andray Blatche


Was it you that did a thread in past years looking at all the potential free agents team by team?

I don't know about that specifically. I've posted a lot of team by team lists and "best fit" lists over the years. What are your thoughts?
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:51 am

On free agents or the thread topic?
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby trodgers on Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:55 am

Free agents. Or is this a subtle way of telling me to make another thread? :man10:
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:49 pm

^^Hard to tell…. Doc is typically very subtle…..
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:08 pm

let's get my fellow Filipino Blatche :man10:
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:15 pm

trodgers wrote:Free agents. Or is this a subtle way of telling me to make another thread? :man10:


:man10:

I was talking about the free agents part I swear. :man12:

My pipe would be to sign Stephenson, Monroe and build there or use them as trading pieces for a superstar player.

Realistically, I think we need to get players 3-14 setup and leave a max spot open to add in if it comes available to us.

Aside from the guys I think we should bring back (Hill, Young, Farmar, Kelly), I like these players

PG - Sessions, Livingston
SG - Morrow (PO)
SF - CJ Miles, Miller, Rush, Beasley, Marvin Williams
PF - Jason Smith, Blair, James Johnson
C - Okafor, O'Neal, Gray

A couple things need to happen next season

1.) Kobe needs to work himself back
2.) We need to lock in our bench for multiple years to get continuity
3.) Nail our 1st rounder
4.) Keep a max spot open that can come to complete the team not start it

Taking a SAS approach and having a team 1-10, instead of top heavy with stars, will preserve Kobe throughout the season and maybe lengthen his career.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Barnstable on Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:45 pm

Doc Brown wrote:1.) Kobe needs to work himself back
2.) We need to lock in our bench for multiple years to get continuity
3.) Nail our 1st rounder
4.) Keep a max spot open that can come to complete the team not start it


Yes to all that and Monroe/Stephenson+ a good 1st rounder. That would be my ideal summer scenario right now.

But I think it might be Stephenson or Bledso depending on who we draft. Either way, we probably can't go wrong. Move Kobe to the 3 where he doesn't have to chase the quicker guards around as much and he'll be in much better shape for the season IMO.

Above all else, yes, lock in that bench for multiple years. we have a great selection of players. I don't however see us being able to afford anyone else is we get Monro/Stephenson/Bledso

Unfortunately in this scenario, I don't see us being able to keep Hill :man5:
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:26 am

Yea with that scenario it definitely puts the emphasis on a young trio (Monroe/Stephenson/1st) + Kobe and nothing else. But it gives us 3 trading chips for the future or a young core to build around. I wouldn't mind that, neither would I mind the approach to getting the bench intact as I outlined above.

What I don't want to see is us NOT doing anything and just sitting waiting for something to fall in our laps (I.E. waiting for the summer of whatever for big free agents). We'll lose our players from this year, we won't get any solid players in FA and we will end up signing 1 year deals every year which is counter-productive to what we should be doing right now (Rebuilding).
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:22 am

For those of you wanting Stephenson...good news:

per Sporting News
One league executive said the problems that have arisen—the public ones, remember, not the behind-the-scenes ones—with Stephenson will cut deep into his value on the free-agent market, and that a deal worth $7 million-$8 million per year is more likely to be Stephenson’s range now. “You hear things, for sure,” one general manager told Sporting News this week. “Stephenson is a guy who has talent, but if you have a young team and you’re building up a culture, you have to consider that before you pursue a guy who might affect your locker room negatively. You have to do your due diligence. But that sort of thing is going to affect the market for him, for sure. If a guy has issues, you better know about them and you think twice about going after him.”


We know how the Lakers like to overpay....combine that with their interpretation of due diligence and Stephenson is en-route.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Barnstable on Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:07 pm

^Good if we get a new coach that doesn't take BS, bad if we keep Pringles. I wouldn't worry about Stephenson too much though.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:37 pm

Doc Brown wrote:My pipe would be to sign Stephenson, Monroe and build there or use them as trading pieces for a superstar player.


I've heard this somewhere before….. :man1: Great minds and all that….

The reason I believe we've made significant mistakes with not trading Pau and walking away from the Fisher to Minn deal is that we have not amassed any assets that we can use to trade. Everyone focuses on what those individual trades (rumored) would have done to the immediate needs of the team but the long term aspects were never thought of.

We walked away from the Minn deal over 3 Million if memory serves and several Pau deals because we would have to take a contract back. While not instant successes for the Lakers we would now have assets to trade for a star who wants to move but it unwilling to walk away from the extra year and up to 30M….. That's a huge deal for a 28-30 year old "star" as they are entering their fragile years and that extra year of security is massive.

What we have now is cap room and no assets. We still seem to be in "Star first" mode and while I'd love to get Monroe and another young piece for the reasons you stated I just don't think Mitch and Co is thinking that way. I don't think we'll see any contracts that we won't have the ability to terminate this time next year. We may give options but we're still in "fill year in here plan" mode IMHO.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:32 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:My pipe would be to sign Stephenson, Monroe and build there or use them as trading pieces for a superstar player.


I've heard this somewhere before….. :man1: Great minds and all that….


I posted it somewhere February 20th, must have fallen on deaf ears. :man12:
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby lotus on Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:49 pm

I'd be leery about taking a chance on Stephenson at $8MM+/yr. I think he is playing for a contract this year, and then he will start dogging it like many players in the league have done on that 2nd contract. He's had character issues in college and, based on Sporting News, in the pros. Playing in L.A. for MDA won't change that. If he were coming here and Phil were running the team, then I'd take a chance. We need players who are committed and passionate about being on the Lakers. That's what was endearing about the favorite Lakers players is that they bled purple & gold.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:56 pm

I'd say Stephenson is the most committed and passionate person on the Pacers right now outside of David West. I don't see him all of sudden changing the way he plays just because he gets paid.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:58 pm

I've been on the Stephenson bandwagon all season long. I love that kid. He's got a bad attitude, gets in trouble on the court sometimes, but he's got a winner in him. I can see it when he plays.

I'd certainly love it if the Lakers picked him up.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby lotus on Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:26 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I'd say Stephenson is the most committed and passionate person on the Pacers right now outside of David West. I don't see him all of sudden changing the way he plays just because he gets paid.

Well that's true, especially considering their issues lately with pouting star players. It's a tough call because he has talent that the Lakers need, and they are so in need that they probably have to take that chance. I was a big supporter of Metta, so I guess I shouldn't be mad if we got him somehow.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:54 am

Pistons' plans for Greg Monroe

During the 2013-14 campaign, Greg Monroe was paid just a little more than $4 million. That proved to be a terrific bargain for the Detroit Pistons, since he averaged 15.2 PPG, 9.3 RPG, 1.1 SPG and 49.7 FG%. He will become a restricted free agent this offseason, which is going to put the Pistons in a bind, because he likely will command an offer of more than $10 million per season.

Time will tell whether they will match such an offer, let him walk or work out a sign-and-trade, but trading him prior to the draft won't happen.

"You can’t trade a player on an expiring contract, whether he’s an unrestricted or restricted free agent to be, once the trade deadline of the season passes," noted Keith Langlois of Pistons.com. "So they couldn’t trade Monroe, Charlie Villanueva or Rodney Stuckey – all on expiring contracts – and neither could they trade Jonas Jerebko. That’s because Jerebko has a player option on his contract so it, in effect, is an expiring contract for the purposes of trade parameters."

The Pistons could work out a sign-and-trade deal once free agency begins in July, so they could at least get something in return for Monroe. However, the most likely scenarios are that they either suck it up and match an offer or simply let Monroe walk away. If Monroe leaves, then they presumably would slide Josh Smith down to the four next to Andre Drummond, pair up Kentavious Caldwell-Pope with Brandon Jennings in the backcourt and seek an impact small forward via the draft, free agency or a trade to round out their starting lineup.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Kingsama on Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:39 am

trodgers wrote:Cheap(ish) players who can contribute we could look to add? We're going to need bodies in that lineup...

PG
Shaun Livingston
Jerryd Bayless
Jimmer Fredette
Aaron Brooks

WING
Danny Granger
Thabo Sefolosha
Mike Miller

BIG
Emeka Okafor
DeJuan Blair
Andray Blatche


If the Lakers could land Granger, Sefo, Emeka and one of those guards I would be exceedingly excited. I really can't see the Lakers flipping a switch and contending next year and have a feeling that whats gonna happen is adding talent through the draft, picking up 2nd chance talent, and struggling again next year. If the team can stablize between now and then we may actually have a shot at landing max FA next summer.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby halekulani on Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:23 am

i don't know what chalmers is going to ask for but he's one player i'd like to see the lakers pursue
he's not a great playmaker or midrange shooter, but he is a very efficient player on both ends of the court. not a superb athlete, but committed to defense. when he gets buckets, they're generally the easy or scrappy ones.

i'd also like to see ariza back but i think he will want a big contract and thus unlikely to sign with us.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby LakersN4 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:25 pm

I know we're linked to every player that's rumored to be available because it makes for great leverage.. But once again, it's happening.. We're rumored to be 1 of the potential destinations for Boozer if he is amnestied. But the Bulls owner is notoriously cheap & will try to trade him & take back no salary in return if possible instead of paying Booz to play for someone else.

This presents an interesting scenario.. If the Bulls get a commitment from Melo that he will sign there if they create the cap space, would you use our cap space to take on Boozer next season? Obviously the Bulls will need to sweeten the deal for anyone to take on Boozer, but we'll get to that. To take it a step further, shedding Boozer alone wouldn't give them enough cap space to offer Melo anywhere near his max & they are likely going to have to get rid of Taj Gibson as well.

Presents us with 4 options.

Take on Boozers contract with draft picks as the sweetener (likely very late 1st rounder as the Bulls would now be stacked with talent to go with 1 of the best coaches in the game)

Take on Boozer with the rights to Mirotic

Take on Boozer but only if they're willing to include Gibson

Pass completely on trading for Boozer.

If it was up to me, I go with option 3.. I take on Boozer & Gibson (possibly sending them Jordan Hill in a S&T so that they can have a cheaper quality big & not completely deplete their frontcourt). I know many will point to Gibson making too much & cutting into our cap flexibility, but keep in mind Kobe + Gibson + draft pick + Marshall & Sacre would still leave us with roughly 26.5M cap space to spend next offseason.

I know it's a slippery slope giving non-stars like Gibson big contracts under the new CBA, but I think Gibson is the perfect type of player to pay that type of money if you're going to. 1 of the best paint defenders in the league, would be a great compliment to Kobe + star free agent that is likely not going to be a great defender.

We would potentially be going into next season with Kobe, Boozer, Gibson, our draft pick, Marshall, Sacre + another batch of 1 year contracts.

The following season we would hopefully be rolling with the same unit with Love replacing Boozer, & our draft pick hopefully better than he was in his rookie season.

Do you agree that my option would be the way to go, if not, which option would you go with & why?
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu May 01, 2014 12:48 am

You lost me completely when you mentioned the Lakers should or could take on Boozer. I do not want him at all in any scenario
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Doc Brown on Thu May 01, 2014 5:03 am

I always loved the Lakers playing Utah, with Boozer on the team, in the playoffs. Such an easy matchup.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby LakersN4 on Thu May 01, 2014 6:40 am

Battle Tested20 wrote:You lost me completely when you mentioned the Lakers should or could take on Boozer. I do not want him at all in any scenario

If it looks likely that Melo will either stay in NY or go to Chi, there's nothing worth spending on in free agency this year.. My point was to use our cap space to take on Boozer along with Gibson to stay competitive next season.. Then Boozer comes off the books, we added Gibson to our core, & we still have cap space to go after Love, LMA, Rondo, or any of the other 2015 FA's.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Pig Miller on Thu May 01, 2014 7:35 am

on boozer/gibson

1) we have nothing legitimate to give up
2) why take on even 1 year of boozer's deal, he's terrible
3) we can re-sign jordan hill who is just as good if not better than either of those players
4) we can just take our cap space this year and go after guys who can produce at the same level as boozer/gibson and make a long term play, or a short term and/or cheaper deals
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu May 01, 2014 8:30 am

Pig Miller wrote:on boozer/gibson

1) we have nothing legitimate to give up
2) why take on even 1 year of boozer's deal, he's terrible
3) we can re-sign jordan hill who is just as good if not better than either of those players
4) we can just take our cap space this year and go after guys who can produce at the same level as boozer/gibson and make a long term play, or a short term and/or cheaper deals


I like Jordan but Gibson is a significantly better player ... strong impact on the defensive end and not a bad offensive player at all despite being surrounded by offensive scrubs .
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