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Postby Showtime'sDynasty on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:23 pm

Josh Smith and Nicolas Batum would be a wet dream. Get rid of anyone on the roster to make it happen besides Kobe, Dwight, or Nash.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby l__o on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:56 pm

I still think pau is a better player than j smith
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby nolQQkpass on Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:31 am

honestly i think pau needs to come off the bench.. or needs a fresh start somewhere else.. it doesnt seam hes giving his all in purple and gold. i know hes still got it, cause i just seen him play for spain this summer
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby BadCoaching on Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:33 am

GoldenChocobo wrote:Mitch knows what to do.


Mitch is gonna hire Phil back??
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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:38 am

BadCoaching wrote:
GoldenChocobo wrote:Mitch knows what to do.


Mitch is gonna hire Phil back??


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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby juninho on Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:55 am

i don't think we will make any trades, this core will compete for next two years and then we will reload in 2014 summer.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:50 am

If Brown is going to coach this season, might as well go get a bunch of young legs to keep up with his demands....

Pau isn't going to last physically much longer if he has to play 40+ a night. Neither is Kobe....Neither is Nash....
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:42 am

We clearly need solid replacements for both Pau and MWP ... don't think it will happen though
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby escobar8 on Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:25 am

i wouldnt mind that trade...i think people a lil bit overrating pau here...
he sucked for last two years...he knows to disappear over the season and even in play offs...while geting 20mil...
he is slow and weakminded...and people are allways finding excuses for him...
is he one of the most skilled and one of the most smartest big men in the game...???yes he is...but that doesnt mean much when other players are runing around you, while he is not capable to punish other players on offense...he is now much better version of luke walton( dont want to realy compare them...its more like example of good IQ player but with out athletic abilities)botom line he is weak and slow...j.smith can solve that problems...i know we are losing skiled big man but thats why have nash...imagine Pnr between nash and smith or dwight...thats unstopable...we need fresh blood...plus he would be only 3-4 option...he might be perfect adition while playing under nash kobe and howard...plus i dont think pau would make atl any better...maybe its time to go to club who drafted him in the first place...
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:47 am

juninho wrote:i don't think we will make any trades, this core will compete for next two years and then we will reload in 2014 summer.


I don't think Pau will be here next year even if we win it all...... his "expiring" contract will be the largest of all time and I'm sure we'd try and turn it into a couple pieces while trying to get out from under it.

I'm not convinced at all that we quit trying to trade Pau because we got Nash..... I think it's because nobody wanted him at that price and we couldn't even "give" him away...... I think the "he'll mesh well with Nash" stuff is cover for what the league already knows..... and Laker fans are beginning to realize.... He just isn't the same player he was 3 years ago.....

I'd love Granger and West from Indiana.... both expire at the same time and the money is about right (we may have to toss in Ebanks) but that would give us a much more compatible starting line up and a PF that absolutely thrived in the pick and roll with the punk that's in the other home locker room.....
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:51 am

I don't even want to think of a roster change with our starters right now. This is a dream team on paper that's been totally ruined by crappy coaching. Don't touch the starting 5.

The only roster move I desperately want to see is us bringing in a quality backup Point Guard. We've needed one since the beginning of the season. Blake hasn't cut it. Duhon's basically just as bad (although I thought he looked better than Blake in his limited preseason minutes). Morris is a disaster.

And now that Steve Nash is injured and will miss some significant time, this issue has just become more glaring.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby kray28 on Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:59 am

Magic after the Clipper game was asked by Bill Simmons gleefully what color suit he was going to wear to the lottery for the Lakers.

Magic's response: "I don't own the Lakers anymore"
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Postby LoyalLakerfan44 on Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:05 am

Lakerjones wrote:I don't even want to think of a roster change with our starters right now. This is a dream team on paper that's been totally ruined by crappy coaching. Don't touch the starting 5.

The only roster move I desperately want to see is us bringing in a quality backup Point Guard. We've needed one since the beginning of the season. Blake hasn't cut it. Duhon's basically just as bad (although I thought he looked better than Blake in his limited preseason minutes). Morris is a disaster.

And now that Steve Nash is injured and will miss some significant time, this issue has just become more glaring.


This is a dream team that is OLD like great but from the past. People don't seem to understand that besides DH12 the others are legends, but are already on the way out. They can't compete night in and night out with the young athletic horses around the league at this time of their careers. The Lakers are a paper dragon, they look great on paper because of past greatness but the reality is this is now. Other great basketball minds (Jerry West, Phil Jackson, Magic) have pointed this out and people just don't seem to understand. We've seen the problems with their health, Kobe's foot, Nash's fracture etc. They are extending themselves at a time in their careers where they just can't push themselves to those limits. How can we expect them to play defense the way they did years ago? If you watch them they are half a step slow, besides the bench give absolutely no support and therefore no rest. I love the Lakers and have been a Laker fan for over 40 years, but I don't think they will even make the playoffs. True that MB is a mediocre coach but we just can't blame everything on him. Keeping defensive effort for 48 minute and keeping everyone healthy without a decent bench is practically impossible, there's just so much juice in that lemon. I personally don't think any great coach would touch this team with a ten foot pole.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:16 am

LoyalLakerfan44 wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:I don't even want to think of a roster change with our starters right now. This is a dream team on paper that's been totally ruined by crappy coaching. Don't touch the starting 5.

The only roster move I desperately want to see is us bringing in a quality backup Point Guard. We've needed one since the beginning of the season. Blake hasn't cut it. Duhon's basically just as bad (although I thought he looked better than Blake in his limited preseason minutes). Morris is a disaster.

And now that Steve Nash is injured and will miss some significant time, this issue has just become more glaring.


This is a dream team that is OLD like great but from the past. People don't seem to understand that besides DH12 the others are legends, but are already on the way out. They can't compete night in and night out with the young athletic horses around the league at this time of their careers. The Lakers are a paper dragon, they look great on paper because of past greatness but the reality is this is now. Other great basketball minds (Jerry West, Phil Jackson, Magic) have pointed this out and people just don't seem to understand. We've seen the problems with their health, Kobe's foot, Nash's fracture etc. They are extending themselves at a time in their careers where they just can't push themselves to those limits. How can we expect them to play defense the way they did years ago? If you watch them they are half a step slow, besides the bench give absolutely no support and therefore no rest. I love the Lakers and have been a Laker fan for over 40 years, but I don't think they will even make the playoffs. True that MB is a mediocre coach but we just can't blame everything on him. Keeping defensive effort for 48 minute and keeping everyone healthy without a decent bench is practically impossible, there's just so much juice in that lemon. I personally don't think any great coach would touch this team with a ten foot pole.


No great coach would touch this team? One that most of the pundits in the world, including Magic Johnson, picked to be in the Finals this year?

Do you know more than Mitch freaking Kupchak who put together this brilliant lineup?

They look like total garbage because they being coached like garbage.

We haven't even approached a great coach except Adelman who was dismissed because Jim fell for Brown. Why don't we at least send a feeler out to a great coach and see what happens before you say that none would come here.

And why is there so much ageism going on? What's up with that?

Michael Jordan's second three peat team had mid-thirties core. The Pistons who beat us weren't young. The Celtics with KG that won had a core in their thirties.

Great talent wins championships and we have tons of talent. We do have injuries, but that's what backup players are for (Jodie Meeks DNP CD says hi). We need a backup for Nash, period. And we need a coaching change. Let's do those two things before we throw in the towel on this amazing lineup.
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Postby therealdeal on Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:27 am

Blake has been fine as a backup PG, but I'd still take West as a 3rd string PG. Blake isn't a starting PG that's for sure. He's done a decent job as the backup PG, but as a starter he just doesn't cut it.

Find a way to shed Duhon and Clark and bring in West. We could really use his depth.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby borri on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:24 am

Josh Smith for Pau is pointless if Brown is still running the show. Can you imagine how AWFUL Smith would look trying to run the Princeton? Dude's BB IQ......well lets just say it isn't very high.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:36 am

Lakerjones wrote:I don't even want to think of a roster change with our starters right now. This is a dream team on paper that's been totally ruined by crappy coaching. Don't touch the starting 5.

The only roster move I desperately want to see is us bringing in a quality backup Point Guard. We've needed one since the beginning of the season. Blake hasn't cut it. Duhon's basically just as bad (although I thought he looked better than Blake in his limited preseason minutes). Morris is a disaster.

And now that Steve Nash is injured and will miss some significant time, this issue has just become more glaring.


Part of our problems are centered around that this team isn't balanced on the floor..... regardless if they are a "Dream Team" or not. A defensive minded rebounder at PF along with a top flight SF would do wonders for our floor balance and give Nash more options than passing to a 7'-1" Center playing 18 feet from the hoop with his man sagging in on Howard all game......
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby The Original 81 on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:41 am

Rooscooter wrote:
juninho wrote:i don't think we will make any trades, this core will compete for next two years and then we will reload in 2014 summer.


I don't think Pau will be here next year even if we win it all...... his "expiring" contract will be the largest of all time and I'm sure we'd try and turn it into a couple pieces while trying to get out from under it.

I'm not convinced at all that we quit trying to trade Pau because we got Nash..... I think it's because nobody wanted him at that price and we couldn't even "give" him away...... I think the "he'll mesh well with Nash" stuff is cover for what the league already knows..... and Laker fans are beginning to realize.... He just isn't the same player he was 3 years ago.....

I'd love Granger and West from Indiana.... both expire at the same time and the money is about right (we may have to toss in Ebanks) but that would give us a much more compatible starting line up and a PF that absolutely thrived in the pick and roll with the punk that's in the other home locker room.....


It's really as simple as this. Pau is nothing close to the guy we saw 3-4 years ago. It's very rare that you even see a low post move from him these days, most of the time it's just a turnaround fadeaway.

Whether it's due to the ridiculous amount of minutes he's playing is another story. There's no question his minutes have to be reduced. Like Vasashi said, he has absolutely no lift at all. He''s also EXTREMELY slow out there.

I'd accept that trade in a heartbeat.
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Postby The Original 81 on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:43 am

What if we move Pau to the bench? Start Jamison. Gives Howard more room and provides better balance than what we currently have. Also allows Pau to be the primary low post scorer and facilitator for the bench.

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Postby karacha on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:44 am

For all those trades to happen, we would need a team that's actually willing to take Pau now... and you know, he's kind of expensive. If Pau was a 10-11M player, it would be easier to live his his current level of performance.

I do think playing less minutes would help him somewhat. And a coach who could inspire him to playmore in the post, because he can be a beast there.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:52 am

The Original 81 wrote:What if we move Pau to the bench? Start Jamison. Gives Howard more room and provides better balance than what we currently have. Also allows Pau to be the primary low post scorer and facilitator for the bench.

Blake/Meeks/Ebanks/Hill/Pau


This would be a good compromise to our current problem.... Pau is playing a lot with the second unit anyway. The only issue with this is can Jamison play starter minutes anymore.....
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:55 am

karacha wrote:For all those trades to happen, we would need a team that's actually willing to take Pau now... and you know, he's kind of expensive. If Pau was a 10-11M player, it would be easier to live his his current level of performance.

I do think playing less minutes would help him somewhat. And a coach who could inspire him to playmore in the post, because he can be a beast there.


Yup..... and that window has closed I'm afraid unless we are getting hosed..... that's why I think we've been talking up the Pau/Nash thing all summer..... trying to get his fragile confidence back. Pau isn't playing that bad for a guy making 10 million... the problem is that he's making twice that....
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Postby karacha on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:56 am

About Jamison: I think he can. He's is in great shape and needs minutes anyway. He would fit great with Dwight.
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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:57 am

Not saying we should trade Pau for him, but....

I'd love a guy like Varejao on the team. Always plays 100%, always rebounds, always plays defense and never needs a play called for him on the offensive end. He's started off great this season.
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Re: Roster Improvement: Magic on ESPN hinted Pau for JSmith

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:58 am

Rooscooter wrote:
juninho wrote:i don't think we will make any trades, this core will compete for next two years and then we will reload in 2014 summer.


I don't think Pau will be here next year even if we win it all...... his "expiring" contract will be the largest of all time and I'm sure we'd try and turn it into a couple pieces while trying to get out from under it.

I'm not convinced at all that we quit trying to trade Pau because we got Nash..... I think it's because nobody wanted him at that price and we couldn't even "give" him away...... I think the "he'll mesh well with Nash" stuff is cover for what the league already knows..... and Laker fans are beginning to realize.... He just isn't the same player he was 3 years ago.....

I'd love Granger and West from Indiana.... both expire at the same time and the money is about right (we may have to toss in Ebanks) but that would give us a much more compatible starting line up and a PF that absolutely thrived in the pick and roll with the punk that's in the other home locker room.....


I'm conviced of this myself. We need an NBA starting Caliber SF. Ron needs to be relegated to the bench or traded. Unfortunately, nobody will want him unless there is a draft pick involved and we don't have any for the forseeable future. So, that makes Pau our only tradeable asset at this point to give us that floor balance.

Nevertheless, I think the FO wants to see what this core does for us this year. So, we'll see happens...
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