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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby trodgers on Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:49 am

I'm not defending Casspi. I haven't followed him since he left Sacramento, so I don't know much about what kind of player he is now. I did want to post some stats though.

Someone said he doesn't rebound. He has averaged 6.5, 6.5, 6.1, 8.2, and 7.3 per 36 minutes. He has also increased his assist numbers nearly every year 1.8, 1.6, 1.8, 2.0, 2.5. He doesn't shoot much: 12.5, 11.5, 11.1, 11.5, 11.5 times per 36 minutes.

Compare that to Nick Young:
Rebounds per 36: 3.6, 2.9, 2.6, 3.1, 2.8, 3.3, 3.3. Casspi rebounds TWICE as frequently.
Young's assists per 36: 2.0, 1.9, 1.2, 1.3, 1.2, 2.1, 1.9. Casspi has averaged more in the last two seasons than Young basically ever has.
Young's FGA per 36: 14.9, 14.8, 14.1, 16.5, 16.3, 13.8, 17.7. Young shoots WAY more. Almost 150% as frequently.

Young is a better shooter though.
Young is a career .429, .377, .827 shooter (projected at .426, .370, .829 for next year).
Casspi is a career .421, .352, .667 shooter (projected at .414, .338, .656 for next year).

Can't believe we didn't pick up Stephenson. Would've been huge for us.
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby LakersN4 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:52 am

Doc Brown wrote::bang: :bang:

So disappointed in the FO. The last year is a team option, so he essentially got a 2 year/18 million dollar deal.

What a frickin' steal.

Wow.. I'm about as anti-Lance as it gets & I definitely would have went for that.

Oh well.. Now we get to hear stories about MJ knocking Lance out at practice :man1:
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby LakersN4 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:57 am

trodgers wrote:I'm not defending Casspi. I haven't followed him since he left Sacramento, so I don't know much about what kind of player he is now. I did want to post some stats though.

Someone said he doesn't rebound. He has averaged 6.5, 6.5, 6.1, 8.2, and 7.3 per 36 minutes. He has also increased his assist numbers nearly every year 1.8, 1.6, 1.8, 2.0, 2.5. He doesn't shoot much: 12.5, 11.5, 11.1, 11.5, 11.5 times per 36 minutes.

Compare that to Nick Young:
Rebounds per 36: 3.6, 2.9, 2.6, 3.1, 2.8, 3.3, 3.3. Casspi rebounds TWICE as frequently.
Young's assists per 36: 2.0, 1.9, 1.2, 1.3, 1.2, 2.1, 1.9. Casspi has averaged more in the last two seasons than Young basically ever has.
Young's FGA per 36: 14.9, 14.8, 14.1, 16.5, 16.3, 13.8, 17.7. Young shoots WAY more. Almost 150% as frequently.

Young is a better shooter though.
Young is a career .429, .377, .827 shooter (projected at .426, .370, .829 for next year).
Casspi is a career .421, .352, .667 shooter (projected at .414, .338, .656 for next year).

Can't believe we didn't pick up Stephenson. Would've been huge for us.

He's been on bad teams & has still had his role decreased almost every season. He's only played 18 & 11 MPG the last 2 seasons. Guy is a backup at best, 3rd stringer ideally, & we're talking about starting him.. I really, really don't like it.
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:01 am

Yeah not sure it's a good fit ... if you blow at a Hornet , you will get bite
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Postby LochNessLaker on Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:45 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:He turned down 44/5 for 27/3 :man3: ... I guess his priority is to get a bigger role on his team ... still weird though .

In others news , a team build up with Clublakers members would have a shot to win the Leastern next season .


Yeah a bigger role and strangely the shorter deal may actually have been more appealing to him. He probably figures if he balls out for the next 2 or 3 years then he might get a bigger deal at 26ish rather than waiting until he is 28ish had he signed the Pacers deal.

Ironically that sounds like a perfect fit for our situation. The FO must not have been interested in him otherwise I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be a Laker right now.
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby Kobe8Bryant4Life on Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:51 am

This is just getting embarrassing.

We'll be a lottery team next year, with no lottery PICK.
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby trodgers on Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:52 am

Regarding Casspi, someone said he doesn't rebound. He does. Objectively, those are excellent numbers for a SF.

Someone said all he does is shoot. He doesn't. He hands out assists at a rate higher than Young despite consuming way fewer possessions.

I'm throwing those numbers out there so people at least see the truth; he might still suck. I don't know.
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby revgen on Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:18 am

I'd rather sign Xavier than Casspi. Casspi is more of an offensive oriented wing player. His defense isn't that great. We don't currently have PG's that are great defensively. Our SG's are either old (Kobe) or don't defend that well (Young). If we're going to get some D from the perimeter, the SF position is probably the way to go. Xavier isn't too bad in that area. Someone else mentioned signing Aminu. I wish we'd gotten Sefalosha, but it looks like the Hawks picked him up.
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Postby unpossibl1 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:32 am

revgen wrote:I'd rather sign Xavier than Casspi. Casspi is more of an offensive oriented wing player. His defense isn't that great. We don't currently have PG's that are great defensively. Our SG's are either old (Kobe) or don't defend that well (Young). If we're going to get some D from the perimeter, the SF position is probably the way to go. Xavier isn't too bad in that area. Someone else mentioned signing Aminu. I wish we'd gotten Sefalosha, but it looks like the Hawks picked him up.


Agree completely Rev. X deserves another run with the Lakers. Everyone was high on Bazemore as a young talent but X is almost two years younger (he's 23). He needs to become a better rebounder to truly carve out a niche in the league but he plays with heart and his best days are still ahead of him.

Aminu is another great choice at the SF spot. If he ever gets his three point shooting on track the game will open up for him quite a bit. He's already a solid defender and good on the glass.
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby LakersN4 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:43 am

The only wings we have are Kobe & Young, with Clarkson possibly being a 3rd string SG.. I don't think we're choosing between X or Casspi.. We could sign both of them & still need another wing due to injury concerns.
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Postby trodgers on Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:44 am

I'm happy to see Henry back. Wouldn't be thrilled about what he offers, but he's not bad and he's cheap.
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby khmrP on Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:52 am

guess overpaying Hill for "future flexibility" was a better option then signing someone who could actually have a future with us :man10:
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Postby LakersN4 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:58 am

khmrP wrote:guess overpaying Hill for "future flexibility" was a better option then signing someone who could actually have a future with us :man10:

We definitely shouldn't have signed Stephenson over Hill.. We'd be starting Sacre or whoever we could get for the minimum. I wish we could have dumped Nash & made that 3/27 offer to Stephenson but the fact that Indiana didn't even try to make a competitive offer, actually went DOWN with their offer as FA went along is very telling.. They know Lance better than anyone & weren't willing to commit to him.
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Postby khmrP on Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:14 am

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khmrP wrote:guess overpaying Hill for "future flexibility" was a better option then signing someone who could actually have a future with us :man10:

We definitely shouldn't have signed Stephenson over Hill.. We'd be starting Sacre or whoever we could get for the minimum. I wish we could have dumped Nash & made that 3/27 offer to Stephenson but the fact that Indiana didn't even try to make a competitive offer, actually went DOWN with their offer as FA went along is very telling.. They know Lance better than anyone & weren't willing to commit to him.


they made a 5/44 offer to Lance, what are you talking about? Supposedly now the story is Lance wanted shorter term as to what Cha. gave him, I guess he didn't want to get locked in to a lower paying salary long term since he could bring up his value within the next couple of seasons like he's going to do with Cha. They could've brought Hill back at Young contract type but I have a feeling they did Hill contract not because they want him long term, its a trade asset that has stop gap potential that is all.
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Postby nluna75 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:17 am

I love Stephenson but there's a reason no one was crashing through his door to sign him. Attitude? Maybe but Indy chose to not really care if he signed or not. I think Dallas offered him 2/20 if Parsons was matched but that was pretty much all his offers. I think Charlotte is a good spot for him. Bigger role and maybe in those 2 years he will mature enough so that when he becomes a free agent again he can get a big payday.
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby LakersN4 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:22 am

khmrP wrote:
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khmrP wrote:guess overpaying Hill for "future flexibility" was a better option then signing someone who could actually have a future with us :man10:

We definitely shouldn't have signed Stephenson over Hill.. We'd be starting Sacre or whoever we could get for the minimum. I wish we could have dumped Nash & made that 3/27 offer to Stephenson but the fact that Indiana didn't even try to make a competitive offer, actually went DOWN with their offer as FA went along is very telling.. They know Lance better than anyone & weren't willing to commit to him.


they made a 5/44 offer to Lance, what are you talking about? Supposedly now the story is Lance wanted shorter term as to what Cha. gave him, I guess he didn't want to get locked in to a lower paying salary long term since he could bring up his value within the next couple of seasons like he's going to do with Cha. They could've brought Hill back at Young contract type but I have a feeling they did Hill contract not because they want him long term, its a trade asset that has stop gap potential that is all.

He wanted a higher yearly salary with less years to get a new contract after the cap goes up in a couple years & the Pacers refused to come off the 5 year offer. Seems like they didn't want him unless it was for below market value.

& we didn't sign Hill to that deal to make him an asset because 1 year deals or 2 year deals with an option have no trade clauses.. We signed him to that deal so that we have the flexibility to not pick up his option if we can sign a star with our space next summer or he isn't performing up to his salary.. To get the contract length you want sometimes you have to pay a premium.
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Postby davriver290 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:29 am

Stephenson would've been the one thing to make this offseason an amazing one... We blew it. Great young talent, great way to rebuild. Instead, we decide to try to swing for the fences and miss. And we overpay Hill before doing anything with Stephenson. As much as I love Hill, he's replaceable.
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Postby khmrP on Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:34 am

LakersN4 wrote:we didn't sign Hill to that deal to make him an asset because 1 year deals or 2 year deals with an option have no trade clauses.. We signed him to that deal so that we have the flexibility to not pick up his option if we can sign a star with our space next summer or he isn't performing up to his salary.. To get the contract length you want sometimes you have to pay a premium.


uhh you can trade him after this year, thus a trade asset since the other team can merely just trade for him and not pick up his option. Thats better than trading for an expiring contract and its not a no trade clause, its an option to Hill, he would still say yes to the right situation if he knows we're not going to pick up his option for year 2 anyways.
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:37 am

Hill replaceable? I'm sorry, remind me of this young, PF/C that plays hard both ends of the court that you could replace Hill with this year? Okafor? Bynum? Nazr? What is this, the Walking Dead?

Whereas, Henry is just another athletic wing player who can do pretty much what Lance can do, without the antics, and a fraction of the cost.

But that's okay, I'm sure starting Sacre was your plan.
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Postby noobiew on Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:40 am

Haiz, Lance Stephenson accepted Hornets offers - 3 years 27 million, with the 3rd year being a team option.

9 million a year sound good and reasonable for Stephenson, too sad that the Lakers were not persuading and interested on him.
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby khmrP on Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:43 am

lakerfan2 wrote:Hill replaceable? I'm sorry, remind me of this young, PF/C that plays hard both ends of the court that you could replace Hill with this year? Okafor? Bynum? Nazr? What is this, the Walking Dead?

Whereas, Henry is just another athletic wing player who can do pretty much what Lance can do, without the antics, and a fraction of the cost.

But that's okay, I'm sure starting Sacre was your plan.


dont care if he's replaceable or not, if Hill is part of mgmt. future plan they dont sign him to that type of contract.
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:44 am

khmrP wrote:
lakerfan2 wrote:Hill replaceable? I'm sorry, remind me of this young, PF/C that plays hard both ends of the court that you could replace Hill with this year? Okafor? Bynum? Nazr? What is this, the Walking Dead?

Whereas, Henry is just another athletic wing player who can do pretty much what Lance can do, without the antics, and a fraction of the cost.

But that's okay, I'm sure starting Sacre was your plan.


dont care if he's replaceable or not, if Hill is part of mgmt. future plan they dont sign him to that type of contract.


it's a combination of both. we needed a big, and he agreed upon a friendly contract for us.
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby 432J on Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:50 am

stephenson goes to charlotte

just another free agent that the FO failed to sign. nothing new at this point
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:53 am

lakerfan2 wrote:
khmrP wrote:
lakerfan2 wrote:Hill replaceable? I'm sorry, remind me of this young, PF/C that plays hard both ends of the court that you could replace Hill with this year? Okafor? Bynum? Nazr? What is this, the Walking Dead?

Whereas, Henry is just another athletic wing player who can do pretty much what Lance can do, without the antics, and a fraction of the cost.

But that's okay, I'm sure starting Sacre was your plan.


dont care if he's replaceable or not, if Hill is part of mgmt. future plan they dont sign him to that type of contract.


it's a combination of both. we needed a big, and he agreed upon a friendly contract for us.

Yeah I completely disagree. As long as he's in a Laker uniform there's a chance he's in our long-term plans. I've maintained that he could sign a Nick Young deal next summer if/when we miss out on big free agents and that'd be a good thing for the franchise.

Missing out on Stephenson hurt, but it was expected at this point.
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Re: Free Agent Frenzy: Rumors, Reports, Rumblings

Postby Weezy on Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:54 am

I am.. not thrilled to see Stephenson could be had for 9 mil a year, and we gave that to Hill. I don't see this as a smart move in a "rebuild".
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