Gary Payton A Candidate For The Lakers' Coaching Staff

Gary Payton A Candidate For The Lakers' Coaching Staff

Postby Kobe8Fan on Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:45 pm

Gery Woelfel @GeryWoelfel · 38m

Gary Payton, a candidate for Bucks coaching staff, is also a candidate for Lakers staff under likely new head coach Byron Scott.


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Re: Gary Payton A Candidate For The Lakers' Coaching Staff

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:49 pm

Maybe he'll end up taking that defensive captain role since Coop is having a tough time with his health.

I'd be okay with it.
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Postby Weezy on Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:54 pm

I think it would be kinda cool to have Payton as an assistant. I can picture him yelling trash talk at opponents and opposing coaches from the bench. :man10: I also think players would like him, he seems like a fun guy.
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Postby LTLakerFan on Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:00 pm

Kobe8Fan wrote:
Gery Woelfel @GeryWoelfel · 38m

Gary Payton, a candidate for Bucks coaching staff, is also a candidate for Lakers staff under likely new head coach Byron Scott.


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Postby jlkr on Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:18 pm

Payton was a hard worker. They didn't call him "The Glove" for nothing. Though his offensive game was limited to PG functionality (witness his issues with the triangle offense), he was the kind of player who excelled below the rim without being flashy. I'm sure he dunked, but I don't remember that he ever played the game in the air the way Kobe once did or the way Westbrook does now.

Though his appearance on the Lakers fizzled a bit, he'll always have a place in my heart for being the assist man for one of the greatest plays in Laker lore: Fisher's 0.4 shot.

As an assistant? Dunno, he has no previous coaching experience. But in his later seasons, many of his fellow stars said they enjoyed playing with him. If he can impart the competitive mentality he had as a player, I'm all for it.
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Postby Doc Brown on Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:17 pm

Do it Mitch.
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Postby John3:16 on Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:29 pm

His dad is an AAU coaching legend in the Bay Area, he played for Karl, Phil, Riley. I'm sure he's picked up a few things. He's also got the respect of the players, having dominated in the league for so many years.

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Postby LTLakerFan on Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:38 pm

We surely could, and have, unfortunately with head coaches, not assistants :mad1: :mad1:
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Postby LakersN4 on Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:05 pm

I like it.
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Postby lakersyunowin on Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:13 pm

i love GP. make it happen.
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Re: Gary Payton A Candidate For The Lakers' Coaching Staff

Postby revgen on Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:56 pm

I think our team needs more emphasis on team defense rather than individual 1 vs 1 D like Gary used to do.

That being said, we do have capable athletes on this team whose 1 vs 1 D could improve if they work with Gary, so I think bringing him on would be a good step in the right direction.
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Postby jlkr on Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:12 pm

revgen wrote:I think our team needs more emphasis on team defense rather than individual 1 vs 1 D like Gary used to do.

That being said, we do have capable athletes on this team whose 1 vs 1 D could improve if they work with Gary, so I think bringing him on would be a good step in the right direction.

There three components to look for in a great defender: quick hands, man defense and team defense. Many who saw him said he was the rare defender who was at the top in all three areas. I definitely agree with that assessment. Gail Goodrich called him the most complete two way point guard ever to play the game. He is the only guard to win Defensive Player of the Year since Jordan won it in 1988. He was named to the NBA All Defensive 1st Team 9 years in a row. And you imply that he doesn't know team defense schemes?

Have to remember that he and Kemp were the defensive bulwarks of the Seattle team that went to the Finals in 96 (that was the year Payton got his DPOY award). Their other starters were Hersey Hawkins, Detlef Shrempf and Sam Perkins, none of whom were known for their man defense. But the team defense schemes that Karl (there's that name again) designed around Kemp and Payton keyed the team's advance to the Finals.
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:20 pm

It seemed like Karl put his heart and soul into coaching the Sonics, and when they fired him his coaching quality went down.
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Postby revgen on Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:25 pm

jlkr wrote:
revgen wrote:I think our team needs more emphasis on team defense rather than individual 1 vs 1 D like Gary used to do.

That being said, we do have capable athletes on this team whose 1 vs 1 D could improve if they work with Gary, so I think bringing him on would be a good step in the right direction.

There three components to look for in a great defender: quick hands, man defense and team defense. Many who saw him said he was the rare defender who was at the top in all three areas. I definitely agree with that assessment. Gail Goodrich called him the most complete two way point guard ever to play the game. He is the only guard to win Defensive Player of the Year since Jordan won it in 1988. He was named to the NBA All Defensive 1st Team 9 years in a row. And you imply that he doesn't know team defense schemes?

Have to remember that he and Kemp were the defensive bulwarks of the Seattle team that went to the Finals in 96 (that was the year Payton got his DPOY award). Their other starters were Hersey Hawkins, Detlef Shrempf and Sam Perkins, none of whom were known for their man defense. But the team defense schemes that Karl (there's that name again) designed around Kemp and Payton keyed the team's advance to the Finals.


Not at all. But I believe a coach who implements schemes has to be able to coach an entire team. Not just 1 vs 1.

Right now, Gary, seems like a guy who would be great working with guys one on one in an assistant role, just as Byron was before Byron moved into a head coach position. Ditto with B-Shaw under Phil. Experience goes a long way.
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Postby jlkr on Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:42 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:It seemed like Karl put his heart and soul into coaching the Sonics, and when they fired him his coaching quality went down.

I don't think so... he has just never quite had that much talent again. Takes talent to get into the championship contender conversation and only two Karl-coached teams have come close since. In 2001, he coached Milwaukee to the ECF with a trio of Glenn Robinson, Sam Cassell and Ray Allen. He coached Denver to the 2009 WCF but they were defeated by the Lakers. That team was headlined by Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups. A pretty good pair, no? But they ran into a Laker team featuring Kobe and the 3-headed big man rotation of Bynum, Gasol and Odom. By the way, that is still the closest Melo has ever come to the Finals.

Everyone talks about Pop, Jackson and Carlisle. But there are other coaches who were good but just never quite had enough talent most of the time and so do not have any championships on their resumes. I'm thinking of guys like JVG, Adelman, Sloan, etc. And Karl.
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Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:00 pm

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Postby wolfpaclaker on Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:31 pm

Glove isn't the greatest communicator, but he can really help the younger guys with teaching D. If he's assigned more to guys for teaching them some key D stuff, this will be a good move.

I do expect Byron to focus a lot on D, even if this team really stinks talent wise in that department. Byron seems to understand that this team needs far more help/discipline on D than O.
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Postby karacha on Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:38 pm

If this means defense, I approve.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:10 am

Our best defender will be on the bench !
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Postby kenzo on Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:45 am

lakersyunowin wrote:i love GP. make it happen.
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Postby karacha on Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:15 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:Our best defender will be on the bench !


He can probably give us 5 mpg if absolutely necessary. :man13:
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Postby pound4pound1 on Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:44 am

do it mitch...i wanna see Lin learn how to talk smack
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Postby 1bartg22 on Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:16 am

Make it happen Mitch! :jam2: :man11:
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Postby Snakell Beast on Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:43 am

jlkr wrote:he has just never quite had that much talent again. Takes talent to get into the championship contender conversation and only two Karl-coached teams have come close since...

Everyone talks about Pop, Jackson and Carlisle. But there are other coaches who were good but just never quite had enough talent most of the time and so do not have any championships on their resumes. I'm thinking of guys like JVG, Adelman, Sloan, etc. And Karl.


Totally agree. Especially with George Karl and Jeff Van Gundy. They AVERAGED 50 wins per season for their career, both have been to the finals and lost to dynasties...Karl lost to the 72-10 Bulls, Van Gundy lost to the Duncan and Robinson Spurs. Both guys coached multiple teams into contender status, and had teams that could play at a high level on both ends of the floor.

Unfortunately, there's only one champion per season...and talent trumps everything else in basketball. There's no shame in coming up short of a championship if you don't have as much talent as your opponent. As a coach, maximizing a team's production, in relation to their talent, is all you can do. Let's hope coach Byron can do that for us this season.
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Postby Center Court on Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:57 am

I'd love it...
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