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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby TIME on Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:42 am

Finwë wrote:OK, that's an interesting use of those concepts. If we are using them that way, then I'd agree about LeBron's talent, just because he's a physical FREAK, unlike anything I've seen before in basketball in terms of speed+strength+vertical+stamina. But that's just luck and training (though I read he didn't really train that hard, and that some times, while trying to lose weight, he actually gained wait -which is really, um, curious to me if you know what I mean) isn't it? Whereas skills, fundamentals, mentality are all things that should be more valued, as they are the result of preparation, work ethic and dedication to the craft.
Shaq wasn't dedicated and didn't work that hard, yet if we are going by your definition, he was insanely "talented". Is he more talented than Hakeem? Basically, is physical ability a talent? And if it is, would you agree with me that skills should be more valued?


I don't know if they "should", but I do. I've always valued skill over talent. It's why I rank Bird as high as I do among the all time greats. Medium talent, but as skilled as anyone his size has ever been.
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby BDG on Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:34 am

You win one and you become ...

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... c'mon now. :man10:

At least they're finally being open about their loving agenda for him.
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby Tobias Funke on Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:36 am

...Rings?
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:51 am

DOn't be hatin.....
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby Scnottaken on Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:57 am

The lockout year they must have been handing out the one ring.
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby sick_irony on Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:37 am

if you read the comic book the "rings" part actually makes sense:

http://espn.go.com/espn/photos/gallery/ ... king-rings

Don't take it too seriously, it's actually kinda funny
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby Zibi on Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:01 am

Not sure if this was already posted:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/50302/a-field-guide-to-flopping

This awesome!
Kobe not mentioned even once. After that article I'm starting to like ESPN.
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby 100%effort on Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:48 am

BDG wrote:You win one and you become ...

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... c'mon now. :man10:

At least they're finally being open about their loving agenda for him.


Sighs ... King of the Rings huh?
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby venky on Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:28 am

King of the Ring*
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby gcclaker on Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:40 am

Tobias Funke wrote:...Rings?

Yes...plural [rolls eyes].
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby pound4pound1 on Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:07 am

BDG wrote:You win one and you become ...

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... c'mon now. :man10:

At least they're finally being open about their loving agenda for him.



gotta be kidding me
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby Finwë on Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:36 am

What has been bothering me is that I recently saw a tweet from Chris Palmer (big ESPN guy) where he was making his season predictions. Of course, he predicted LeBron would win his 4th MVP. First I though "OK, I'm not surprised that's his prediction" and that was it.. But now I'm thinking that since the MVP is voted by the media, and that maybe Palmer's didn't merely pencil in LeBron in his MVP vote, maybe he's already decided that's who he's voting for.. Palmer is a HUGE LeBron fan, he's sent out tweets saying LeBron is already better than MJ in terms of talent, that it's just a matter of accolades and things like that.. If there's anything following over 100 NBA reporters & sites on twitter showed me is that there's A LOT (more than what I originally guessed) of pro-LeBron bias out there, and these people are the ones who decide the result of this overhyped (since it lacks consistent criteria) award..
After the Heat beat the Thunder MID-SEASON this year Palmer said that LeBron had "locked up" the MVP award, even though there were like 20 games left (1/3 of the season) and a lot of people thought the race was very close.. Maybe Palmer's not alone, and it wouldn't surprise me to find out a lot of "experts" have already decided who they are gonna give the award to this year..
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:59 am

The MVP award has less to do with being the "MVP" and more to do with being the considered "best" by these media wanna-be stars. I agree with Lakerswiz that 80% already have their minds made up that Lebron will win it. It really doesn't matter what others do in the end because the choice is made. Is it any wonder why fans are so easily influenced when the sports media has absolute bias when it comes to picking these awards? No matter how great a season Kobe or Dwight has they will only get a customary nod at MVP consideration (you know the filler at the end of the articles). WHen writers use the terms, "I can see no reason why so and so shouldn't win it" then they are already closing off the posibilities of others winning except for the one or two recognized front runners. Again, I go to Lakerswiz response, "Let's be real here, without injuries it's going to be Lebron or Kevin Durant". That statement reflects what we have been fed and what our writers have pushed to us. Those two are arguably the two best players in the game today and playing for arguably the two best teams in the league. However, should that really be a foregone conclussion? Should Kobe have to put up Kobe/Smush era numbers and lead the Lakers to 73 wins to get real consideration? Minds have been made the trophy already stamped and etched... just a few games to play and the gushing will begin at full boil. Thats just the way it is.
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby Forklift on Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:02 am

dude seriously guys read the comic ESPN is just joking around :man10:. Unless you guys think Heat are really going to sign a zombie Shane Battier :man1:
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:11 am

They had the MVP decided when they did the NBA player rank in the offseason. And I wouldn't be surprised to see the MVP voting pan out like the NBA ranks (given everyone stays healthy).
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby Weezy on Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:36 am

The funniest thing to me in all this is the day LeBron announced he was signing with Miami you had all these tv analysts, LEBRONSPN included , saying how he would never win another MVP award again and that he gave that up by joining a superstar in Wade and an all star in Bosh. They were also saying how he gave up any shot at ever being compared to MJ because he left to get help and didn't stay and do it as "the man". Those arguments were stupid to begin with, because nobody ever wins championships without another star or two next to them, and almost all the MVP's throughout NBA history played on great teams, but that they forgot they made these arguments after LeBron won one ring is what makes me laugh. These so called experts are so fickle and so full of it for the most part.
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby kray28 on Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:40 am

You're only capable of joking when you actually have the ability to be funny.
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby Finwë on Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:37 pm

Agreed. I wasn't saying he shouldn't win it, he should if he's the clear cut best player this season -though not just in terms of statistical production; showing up in the clutch, playing D that isn't just recorded as steals and blocks, being a leader, etc. are all very important..

Just to be clear I'm not a "LeBron hater" or whatever, in fact I've always thought he was a good guy, and except from some parts of his game (flopping, bulldozing to the basket, not hitting the big shots) I think he's a superb bball player. My gripe is with the media, the ones that have overhyped him (and others) since he came to the L, and as soon as he won his 1st ring already begun debating whether he was better than MJ.. There's just too much bias and exaggeration out there, and it bothers me because sadly their influence is huge and it hurts the perception of players who deserve to get their due recognition and aren't necessarily getting it.
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby Weezy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:34 pm

I think this deserves a bump. I don't hate ESPN right now, they're giving us tons of coverage, in fact all other teams must hate ESPN and us right now. That said, I have to point out how much they've tried to make the firing of Brown seem unfair, from bringing every 'expert', analyst, and ex player they have on staff or could dig up to comment on the situation, to the stupid graphics comparing how soon this firing would have been in every other sport. Every interview they do about it contains these questions, "was it unfair?", and "how much was it Kobe's doing?". I have to especially laugh at that last one, they are trying so damn hard to pin this on Kobe, but no analysts are biting, Kobe is not biting, nobody is saying Kobe had a thing to do with it, they must be so disappointed, yet they keep trying, oh LEBRONSPN, show some class.
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby kray28 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:40 pm

Magic was on ESPN and very supportive of the move, sounding very much like a frustrated fan, but he also felt that Kobe had nothing to do with the firing. That doesn't mean that Kobe wanted Brown to keep his job, but I don't think Kobe went to them and demanded the firing.

Shaq was surprised that it happened...he thought Brown would get at least 12 or so games....but he also said that in LA there is no messing around and waiting when the expectations are so high.
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:42 pm

Can't wait for Jemele Hill to give her opinion....

"Mike Brown was fired strictly because he was black....."
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby Balance&Options24 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:51 pm

like how one of their main topics is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LeBron: Brown didn't get 'fair shake' in L.A.



Ok, I know he played for him, but really???




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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby OX1947 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:58 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Can't wait for Jemele Hill to give her opinion....

"Mike Brown was fired strictly because he was black....."


I think that pig is secretly a mod at LG. I remember my final rift over at LG was calling her a racist pig in a post. And then the female mod over there got mad at me, we went back and forth and then she banned me, and then I came back a few weeks later but the damage was done, as soon as I said one thing that was not suiting someone, they banned me for good.

Jemele Hill is the faction in this country that keeps themselves relevant by using the race card. The race card has all three sides of the factions paying attention. One, the racist pigs like her who have no talent but to use it as a crutch in their journalism or discussions, those like me who know it's bullcrap, and the (bleep) who wont confront her on it because they are worried about being dubbed racists themselves.
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby Big Mamma Jamma on Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:03 pm

I got jumped on by posters for how Popovich took swipes at the Laker org ... check this gem from Eric Spoelstra. If that guy didn't have the talent he has with Miami he'd be another Mike Brown ... unemployed.
"Miami endured similar early struggles when James and Chris Bosh first joined Dwyane Wade in Miami two seasons ago. The Heat started 9-8 during the 2010-11 season, and their frustrations spilled over during a team meeting after a loss at Dallas in November. Like Brown, Spoelstra also initially had to deal with players privately grumbling about his offense and their roles in it.

But the Heat quickly regrouped and advanced to the Finals that first season before losing to the Mavericks in six games. They avenged that setback last season to win the title, and all the early turbulence is now a faded memory in Miami.

Spoelstra said one difference between the Heat's and Lakers' situations is that he had more support from owner Micky Arison and team president Pat Riley, who groomed Spoelstra for the head coaching position when Riley retired as coach following the 2007-08 season.

'Looking at our situation, it was something much, much different,' Spoelstra said. 'We had patience. The stability comes from Micky and Pat. They were thinking big picture the whole way. There wasn't a panic, even when we were 9-8. I felt great confidence from them, but it needed to be said. All we needed was to get our hands dirty, get to work and figure out collectively how to get out of that hole.'"


Here's Lebron's take:

"I think it's unfortunate," James said Friday after the Heat's win in Atlanta against the Hawks. "I just don't think he got a fair shake, honestly. With the shortened season last year, and five games into this year, he didn't really get a full season."


BSPN trying every way possible to make the Lakers org look bad. I hope the Lakers players are taking note of all the idiotic coaches and players taking swipes at the Lakers org.
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Re: God I hate ESPN

Postby Tobias Funke on Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:19 pm

F*** all these fools. Wasn't Brown released by the Cavs as a way of enticing Lebron to re-sign with them? And ofcourse we have no way of knowing, but if we did, Id bet anything that Lebron would have voted to have Spo fired when they started 9-8.

Greaseface Rivers was also talking smack saying its unfair and he feels for Brown, I guess he's looking at the fact that Boston kept him even after his team won less than 60 games combined in the two seasons prior to getting KG and Ray. But lets not forget that magical run of games he had that lead to his firing in Orlando.

Throw a ring at these chumps and all of a sudden they're experts on winning and professionalism.
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