God I hate ESPN: Cowherd - Kobe PEDs too much!

ESPN is crushing Kobe today, constantly talking about how stats say it's a myth that he's clutch. Thanks for that Henry Abbot. Well, at least Broussard and Adande sort of stood up for Kobe on OTL. Abbot comes across as a stammering stat geek. I seriously can barely believe that Kobe being clutch is being called into question after one choke game, after how he's been clutch more often than not his whole career. The stat of the last 24 seconds of the game is just stupid. How many times has Kobe hit shots just before then, multiple shots in a row to keep us in a game, or bring us back in a game? How many big playoff shots has he hit, or playoff series has he won being clutch, in the sense that he stepped his game up in big games that mattered or big moments that mattered? Sick of people looking at stats and nothing else, use your damn eyes, also sick of people almost discounting a man's entire career because of being a prisoner of the moment.

Looking at stats, of course the guy who rarerly even shoots in crunch time (aka LeBron) is going to look better/have a better fg% then the guy who is willing to take about any possible "clutch shoot" out there even if it is a heavily contested 30 ft shoot (aka Kobe) with a low chance of succes.

Does that mean he is the better clutch player?

I don't think so. Many so called experts seem to disagree...

Lebron is a better closer and clutch player than Kobe....

Ok ESPN try this out for me....

Make a compilation of all Kobe's clutch shots and closing moments and then make a compilation of Lebron's clutch shots and closing moments.

One will be a damn good 3 hour movie the other will be a trailer of something that never will be fulfilled.

i like how if kobe makes big plays in one game, it's one game. when he flubs one, it's ironclad proof of his ineptitude.

good deflect by espn after both lebron and wade choked a game away at home against indy. at least kobe's choke was on the road against arguably the best team in the league.

Weezy wrote:ESPN is crushing Kobe today, constantly talking about how stats say it's a myth that he's clutch. Thanks for that Henry Abbot. Well, at least Broussard and Adande sort of stood up for Kobe on OTL. Abbot comes across as a stammering stat geek. I seriously can barely believe that Kobe being clutch is being called into question after one choke game, after how he's been clutch more often than not his whole career. The stat of the last 24 seconds of the game is just stupid. How many times has Kobe hit shots just before then, multiple shots in a row to keep us in a game, or bring us back in a game? How many big playoff shots has he hit, or playoff series has he won being clutch, in the sense that he stepped his game up in big games that mattered or big moments that mattered? Sick of people looking at stats and nothing else, use your damn eyes, also sick of people almost discounting a man's entire career because of being a prisoner of the moment.

Agreed.

I've watched almost every game of Kobe's career and his "clutchness" simply cannot be denied. The guy has an uncanny knack for hitting shots those "stem the tide" shots to end an opponent's run. It even happened a few times in the 2nd half yesterday. He's done it far more times than I can count. These are usually the shots that protect leads and win you ballgames. Last night would have been yet another example of this had he not had the 2 glaring errors in the final seconds that everyone wants to point at, isolate and condemn him for.

It's the ugly brother of "just looked at the box score" guy who tries to determine what kind of game a player had from a stat sheet. Pisses me off.

I will hate to see that network if Lebron ever wins a championship.

BigDan24 wrote:Looking at stats, of course the guy who rarerly even shoots in crunch time (aka LeBron) is going to look better/have a better fg% then the guy who is willing to take about any possible "clutch shoot" out there even if it is a heavily contested 30 ft shoot (aka Kobe) with a low chance of succes.

Does that mean he is the better clutch player?

I don't think so. Many so called experts seem to disagree...

Lebron was clutch this year in the regular season. He took the clutch shots and for most part he made them. Wade took the game winning shots though. I believe he even made 3.

The best closer this year though was Chris Paul. He was unbelievable this year. Was as clutch as Dirk was in the playoffs last year.

I'm not surprised. These are the same people who put this graphic up:



When Kobe is compared to MJ it's seasons/games played but for LeBron it's age. LeBron's in yr 9 and MJ was in yr 7 at age 27 (he turned 28 during the season on Feb 17). I really hope people realize what ESPN is doing. They are no different then the WWE at this point. It's all about $ at the end of the day.

100%effort wrote:I'm not surprised. These are the same people who put this graphic up:



When Kobe is compared to MJ it's seasons/games played but for LeBron it's age. LeBron's in yr 9 and MJ was in yr 7 at age 27 (he turned 28 during the season on Feb 17). I really hope people realize what ESPN is doing. They are no different then the WWE at this point. It's all about $ at the end of the day.

ESPN has gone downhill so much over the years. Their double standard for comparing Kobe and LeBron to legends gets more pathetic every year.

100%effort wrote:I'm not surprised. These are the same people who put this graphic up:



When Kobe is compared to MJ it's seasons/games played but for LeBron it's age. LeBron's in yr 9 and MJ was in yr 7 at age 27 (he turned 28 during the season on Feb 17). I really hope people realize what ESPN is doing. They are no different then the WWE at this point. It's all about $ at the end of the day.

that is by far the stupidest, most misleading graphic i have ever seen. ever.

Lmao, at age 27, Kobe had 3 already.

"Pinhead" Jon Barry just commented that Peace tried to knee Westbrook intentionally. Of course, he apparently did not see the latter pushing away at former's leg into him. Idiot...

gcclaker wrote:"Pinhead" Jon Barry just commented that Peace tried to knee Westbrook intentionally. Of course, he apparently did not see the latter pushing away at former's leg into him. Idiot...

jon barry's a joke. i prefer brent

NO REPLAY ON HILL's BLOCK

gcclaker wrote:"Pinhead" Jon Barry just commented that Peace tried to knee Westbrook intentionally. Of course, he apparently did not see the latter pushing away at former's leg into him. Idiot...

I'd like to see him run his mouth with MWP in the same room. As a matter a fact, something would still come out, just not out of his mouth.

I'm so thankful I've gotten to the point with ESPN, that if a game is on, I have it on ESPN, but when it's halftime or the game is not on, that channel or ESPN2 is not on. I don't miss it one bit and I get almost all my sports info here anyways.

Its kind of funny how while Yahoo has "Kobe criticizes Pau", ESPN has "Kobe blames Pau"


I don't know you guys, but I believe there is a BIG difference between blaming and criticizing (which is what Kobe did)

Watching first take and noticed the ticker at the bottom the screen recap the Thunder-Lakers game stats. "Kobe 42 pts (18-33) 0 ast ... Durant 25 pts, 10 reb Westbrook 28 pts"

Doc Brown wrote:

gcclaker wrote:I'm so thankful I've gotten to the point with ESPN, that if a game is on, I have it on ESPN, but when it's halftime or the game is not on, that channel or ESPN2 is not on. I don't miss it one bit and I get almost all my sports info here anyways.

Exactly. Only time I ever see anything ESPN related is when I click on this thread to laugh at their latest level of ridiculousness or when someone posts a link or video on here that's of interest. Even without having to hear the audio, I still went and requested that they not have it on every other tv in the gym I work out at.

ESPN is an absolute joke. Like someone else commented, between their basketball "coverage" and Stern's BS the NBA is starting to look like wrestling.

100%effort wrote:Watching first take and noticed the ticker at the bottom the screen recap the Thunder-Lakers game stats. "Kobe 42 pts (18-33) 0 ast ... Durant 25 pts, 10 reb Westbrook 28 pts"

It's a NBA playoffs record.

Chris Palmer was tweeting last night about LeBron and MJ, kept looking for arguments where he could say LeBron>MJ.
Typical BSPN, when it comes to the Kobe-MJ comparison, the only realistic and at this point worthy comparison, they get all upset, like you can't badmouth MJ, like he's untouchable. But when it comes to LeBron, all of the sudden MJ wasn't that good.

chris palmer ‏@ESPNChrisPalmer
LeBron will never catch Kobe or MJ's rings but may still end up a better basketball player.

chris palmer ‏@ESPNChrisPalmer
In terms of strictly pure basketball ability give me LeBron over MJ.

This isn't what most of the BSPN writers say when comparing him to Kobe:

chris palmer ‏@ESPNChrisPalmer
Hate to break it to you, Jordan is not a god. Just a really good basketball player.

OK now what I'm going to say isn't because of the love of Lebron, or the obvious dislike of Kobe. But, does anyone else think that most of these "analysts" of the game of basketball are awful? I mean including the Athletes that played the game? Sure they were great athletes, but I feel that doesn't make them a good analyst. I like a few of them like that insider Aldridge, I like some of the guys from NBATV, but just the majority of them are just awful. Does anyone else feel that? I feel I can go up there and dissect things better than them....

davriver290 wrote:OK now what I'm going to say isn't because of the love of Lebron, or the obvious dislike of Kobe. But, does anyone else think that most of these "analysts" of the game of basketball are awful? I mean including the Athletes that played the game? Sure they were great athletes, but I feel that doesn't make them a good analyst. I like a few of them like that insider Aldridge, I like some of the guys from NBATV, but just the majority of them are just awful. Does anyone else feel that? I feel I can go up there and dissect things better than them....

Agreed 100%

Finwë wrote:Chris Palmer was tweeting last night about LeBron and MJ, kept looking for arguments where he could say LeBron>MJ.
Typical BSPN, when it comes to the Kobe-MJ comparison, the only realistic and at this point worthy comparison, they get all upset, like you can't badmouth MJ, like he's untouchable. But when it comes to LeBron, all of the sudden MJ wasn't that good.

chris palmer ‏@ESPNChrisPalmer
LeBron will never catch Kobe or MJ's rings but may still end up a better basketball player.

chris palmer ‏@ESPNChrisPalmer
In terms of strictly pure basketball ability give me LeBron over MJ.

This isn't what most of the BSPN writers say when comparing him to Kobe:

chris palmer ‏@ESPNChrisPalmer
Hate to break it to you, Jordan is not a god. Just a really good basketball player.

Many media analyst pretty much had it out for Kobe since he entered the NBA. At that time MJ was barely out of the NBA yet and they felt some kind of way a young Kobe could possibly rival MJ so they tainted Kobe's career for 16 seasons. Kobe was to always be the anti-Jordan whereas LeBron/Wade or anyone else the "NEXT" Jordan or better than. I think the LeBron bias is in regards to that, all of the "No one will be better than MJ" talk goes out the window as long as the basketball Gods blessed them with someone they can say is better than one of the most hated athletes in sports Kobe Bean Bryant.