TIME wrote: Finwë wrote: Scnottaken wrote: Finwë wrote:
Weezy wrote:I agree that LeBron is the best right now, and I also agree that the media gushes a little too much over him. Passing the ball really quickly across court because you don't want to/can't shoot 3's doesn't make it a good or amazing pass, it just makes it a pass. He has amazing athleticism, the way he gets to the rim can be amazing, but he still takes some ugly freakin shots. He had one 'fadeaway' just outside the key that was ugly, and yeah he hit a big 3, but then I believe he airballed one not too long after that. He's a great player, but he's not super skilled and his game to me at least, is not that smooth or nice to watch, I think Durant is a way more fun to watch scorer, reminds me way more of Kobe.
Exactly the way I feel, which is why I cringe when they call him "the most talented player in the L". You want to call him the best player? OK, I'll give you that, based on production and consistency. But most talented? Nope.
Outside of his athletic ability (which in my book isn't talent but rather a combination of luck -being born with it- and other factors; would it be fair to call Shaq "talented" because he was able to just back people down with his huge body?), he's only above average in one area: passing. I'll give him that, he's a great passer. Is he "the best passer outside of Steve Nash" like Bayless calls him? NO. Rondo, Jason Kidd, CP3, Deron Williams, Manu Ginobili are all guys who have more "passing ability" if you ask me...
It's like this: give Kobe LeBron's body and you have the GOAT and it's not even close. Now, give LeBron Kobe's body and you have a good player, but nothing that special, maybe a 2-time all-star.
I think that's where the distinction between talent and skill comes into play though. No one will ever call LeBron the most SKILLED player, and if they do, they're idiots.
What's the difference between talent and skill by your understanding?
I don't see anyway to call LeBron the most talented player in the league.
i'm not sure how others use the terms, but to ME, talent has to do with the genetic potential of a player, his natural tools. Skill has to do with how that player developed the tools he started with.
OK, that's an interesting use of those concepts. If we are using them that way, then I'd agree about LeBron's talent, just because he's a physical FREAK, unlike anything I've seen before in basketball in terms of speed+strength+vertical+stamina. But that's just luck and training (though I read he didn't really train that
hard, and that some times, while trying to lose weight, he actually gained
wait -which is really, um, curious to me if you know what I mean) isn't it? Whereas skills, fundamentals, mentality are all things that should be more valued, as they are the result of preparation, work ethic and dedication to the craft.
Shaq wasn't dedicated and didn't work that hard, yet if we are going by your definition, he was insanely "talented". Is he more talented than Hakeem? Basically, is physical ability a talent? And if it is, would you agree with me that skills should be more valued?