Good Team... Bad Coach...

Good Team... Bad Coach...

Postby Bilbao-LakerMagic on Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:25 pm

We have more losses than wins, we are going to have hard difficulties to reach the Play-offs...

A team with Kobe, Dwight, Pau, Nash...

Injuries?

Age?

No excuses!!!!!!!!!!!

We have a good balance of young/veterans players to help: Jamison, Earl Clark, Jodie Meeks, Jordan Hill (until injury and in the future). I cannot talk about Ebanks or Morris but... Jamison and Clark are valuable players.

I am not a fan of our backup playmakers (Blake or Duhon) and I am not a fan of Metta World Peace (even he is not making a bad Season, I think that he is more a problem than a solution). I think that the SF position is our weakest position. Just improving these 2 positions we would have been very strong during this Season. A quick PG (as backup) and a good/decent SF.

Anyway, if you are not able to get the best of Dwight or Pau Gasol... maybe you are not the best Coach...

And even, when he talk to the media, Mike D'Antoni seems always to be angry... his attitude is so bad for this Team, he doesn't seem a courage man. He is only "ironic" with some players and the media.

Terrible news for a good team...

Go Lakers !!
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Re: Good Team... Bad Coach...

Postby Kit on Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:48 pm

Don't we have a Dantoni's thread? haha
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Re: Good Team... Bad Coach...

Postby Congo Cash on Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:39 pm

It's more like a mediocre team and a mediocre coach with a roster that doesn't fit with each other...
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Re: Good Team... Bad Coach...

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:56 pm

hmm... nice new thread.

ALso you just said Phil Jackson isn't a good coach since he didn't get the best out of Pau following our Championship.
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Re: Good Team... Bad Coach...

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:02 pm

Congo Cash wrote:It's more like a mediocre team and a mediocre coach with a roster that doesn't fit with each other...


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Re: Good Team... Bad Coach...

Postby Congo Cash on Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:08 pm

Ya, I was once fooled by this star heavy team, and thought they will be like the Miami Heat/2007-08 Boston Celtics who will be steamrolling everybody... Then reality sinks in... :bang:
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Re: Good Team... Bad Coach...

Postby Frank Dux on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:43 pm

I'm not buying it. Mike D. is an average coach with an injury riddled roster, and no bench whatsoever. Let's not pretend Dwight has been playing at his usual DPOY level, or that Pau and Nash are anywhere near their prime. Have you seen how many injuries we've had? Hill, Dwight, Nash, and Pau have all had significant injuries this season. That's why we're below .500. Also, Jamison is hardly a quality player, he's average at best, and terrible on defense.

It's not hard to see why we're losing games. This team has little to no athleticism. Especially with Metta being the only small forward we actually play. In a league where small forward is the most athletic position, Metta just absolutely kills us out there. This team also lacks high IQ role players. Metta, Meeks, and Morris seem to make terrible decisions. We really don't have good shooters on this team. Meeks and Jamison were brought in over the off season to fill that bill, but they've always been more streak shooters/scorers than "pure shooters", which perfectly explains their inconsistency.
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Re: Good Team... Bad Coach...

Postby abeer3 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:06 am

injuries led to zero continuity, imo. the bench has actually by and large been better than what i expected. the killer was having both of the top two pgs out for the first 24 games of the season. then the lakers lost their third big, then their second, each for basically the season. as much as the media is enjoying the narrative, this is much less about chemistry than it is about healthy bodies. other teams who face the same kinds of injury issues miss the playoffs, too. not that it matters. the 2004 team is remembered as dysfunctional losers, when they were a malone knee injury away from winning a title.
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Re: Good Team... Bad Coach...

Postby John3:16 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:43 am

Is Mike D'Antoni the coach for this team? I don't think so. But we're stuck with him for the next few years. So....... about that D'Antoni thread already in place...........
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Re: Good Team... Bad Coach...

Postby JGC on Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:48 am

MDA is far from ideal, but neither Mike Brown nor MDA are bad enough to make what should otherwise be an elite team into a below .500 team. I mean both guys have recently had 60 win seasons.

With a better coach, we'd be a little better, and above .500 but we wouldn't still be elite.

I mean think about it. We have a point guard and yet still, we don't have a point guard.
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Re: Good Team... Bad Coach...

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:57 am

JGC wrote:MDA is far from ideal, but neither Mike Brown nor MDA are bad enough to make what should otherwise be an elite team into a below .500 team. I mean both guys have recently had 60 win seasons.

With a better coach, we'd be a little better, and above .500 but we wouldn't still be elite.

I mean think about it. We have a point guard and yet still, we don't have a point guard.


I am convinced, however, that a better and less stubborn coach than those two could have gotten us into the playoffs, which is something that's in great jeopardy right now. It seems like D' Antoni didn't even give a crap until he finally got Nash back. In fact, I feel like rolling with Bernie the rest of the way would have given us a better shot at the playoffs.

Regardless, I was opposed to the MDA hire to begin with and he's done nothing to convince me that he should stay. I think he needs to go in the offseason. Whether he does or not, who knows?
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Re: Good Team... Bad Coach...

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:07 pm

And even if he goes, who is the next crazy hire going to be? Isaiah Thomas?? Mike Montgomery?
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Re: Good Team... Bad Coach...

Postby Savage1 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:39 pm

So many comments that I agree with in this thread regarding roster and coach. Can't quote them all, but safe to say, it takes a combination of all that have been mentioned to result in this situation.
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Re: Good Team... Bad Coach...

Postby JGC on Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:59 pm

Lakerjones wrote:
JGC wrote:MDA is far from ideal, but neither Mike Brown nor MDA are bad enough to make what should otherwise be an elite team into a below .500 team. I mean both guys have recently had 60 win seasons.

With a better coach, we'd be a little better, and above .500 but we wouldn't still be elite.

I mean think about it. We have a point guard and yet still, we don't have a point guard.


I am convinced, however, that a better and less stubborn coach than those two could have gotten us into the playoffs, which is something that's in great jeopardy right now. It seems like D' Antoni didn't even give a crap until he finally got Nash back. In fact, I feel like rolling with Bernie the rest of the way would have given us a better shot at the playoffs.

Regardless, I was opposed to the MDA hire to begin with and he's done nothing to convince me that he should stay. I think he needs to go in the offseason. Whether he does or not, who knows?


Remember when we said ANYBODY would be better than Mike Brown? Well, we have somebody other than MB and we're still not that much better.

I also don't think MDA is as stubborn as you are saying. I mean, we aren't running the MDA offense at all. The PG doesn't touch the ball very much at all and probably the least of any MDA team ever. The Suns under MDA were a middle of the pack defensive team. We aren't. By virtue of the fact that we have better individual defenders, we should be better than middle of the pack defensively under MDA but we aren't. In fact, this team demonstrates nothing that resembles anything Mike D'Antoni whatsoever.

I mean people blame MDA but the guy did get 60 wins with the right players. If we had the right players, then MDA wouldn't be a problem. But we have the wrong players.

Yeah a different coach could maybe eek us in to the playoffs. But what difference would that make? We'd still lose anyway. So the real problem IMO, is that we need a roster change. And yeah, MDA isn't my favorite coach and so I wouldn't mind seeing a coaching change either but in my view, the difference between being elite and not being elite starts with the roster.
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