Hero/Zero

Re: Hero/Zero

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:56 pm

fkmikebrown wrote:hero: no one
zero: everyone

guess everyone was really fat and happy with the fun from last game. at this rate we'll finish the season 40-42.


That's how mentally weak this team is. They get too high after wins and then when they lose it's depression all around until the next game where they are fired up and win and then get back to being satisfied with the win and the whole thing just repeats itself

It's almost not even worth watching this garbage because they aren't changing. Just the same thing every god damn week
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Juronimo on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:04 pm

escobar8 wrote:hero...ron
zero...dwight...


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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:04 pm

H: MWP... he cared and tried. 1000 3's is a nice accomplishment.
Z: Pau...
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby JLaker17 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:32 pm

Hero: None
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Finwë on Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:42 pm

H: MWP
Z: I should say Pau because he keeps blatantly SUCKING again and again, or Morris because he's awful, but it's Howard because I can't stand his FT shooting. How he keeps missing is beyond me. EVERYONE can make FTs, he's so pathetic and weak-minded it makes me sick. I think I'm going to keep naming Howard until his FTs stop being extremely detrimental to the team.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:27 pm

Finwë wrote:H: MWP
Z: I should say Pau because he keeps blatantly SUCKING again and again, or Morris because he's awful, but it's Howard because I can't stand his FT shooting. How he keeps missing is beyond me. EVERYONE can make FTs, he's so pathetic and weak-minded it makes me sick. I think I'm going to keep naming Howard until his FTs stop being extremely detrimental to the team.


^^ I agree. I understand that he's not a good free thrower. We knew that. But he's a 58% career free thrower. What he's doing out there recently is more in the 40% range it seems. That's not acceptable. Even 50% would look good at this point, and that's terrible!
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:32 pm

Zero: Morris and D'Antoni for his crap rotations today. Meeks and Jamison are the most important bench players and Meeks needs the minutes pushing Kobe to the 3 not putting Ebanks in with Kobe. that's dumb
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby odom1year on Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:05 am

Hero: Kobe's heart
Zero: Kobe's ego (just tried too hard to win, just wanted to do it all to win)
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Finwë on Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:11 am

odom1year wrote:Hero: Kobe's heart
Zero: Kobe's ego (just tried too hard to win, just wanted to do it all to win)

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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:20 am

odom1year wrote:Hero: Kobe's heart
Zero: Kobe's ego (just tried too hard to win, just wanted to do it all to win)


Lol so adorable
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby lakersin4 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:22 am

Hero: Kobe
Zero: D'antoni

You can't leave Dwight in when he's missing that many ft's. It's stubborn & ignorant. Atleast make him sit until the 2 minute mark. Even then he's only good for lobs & putbacks on the offensive side..& he usually has 5 fouls by then so he's not anchoring the paint like he can. With Gasol as his backup, we can afford for him to take chances & be more aggressive.. If we don't have him playing 100% on defense his impact isn't there.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby dak22 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:48 am

hero: no one
zero: everyone

Bottomline is that this team last year, playing in a condensed schedule; with a worse center; with a worse bench; a worse COACH; our star playing worse; and in the middle of a road trip was 10-7.

Yet our current team is 8-9 despite being better from top to bottom, even w/o nash for the moment, and playing a home heavy schedule.

Think about that for a minute. A lack of phil or any pretext should not excuse the current play or the Lakers. You can only point the finger for so long.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby lakersyunowin on Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:37 pm

hero: duhon
zeroes:
1) kobe - way too much kobe ball, WAY too much. yea the results were great in the first half, but it gets the team a bit out of sync and turns teammates into brain-dead spectators. it did NOT work when it mattered in the fourth. no that prayer 3 with 12 seconds left doesn't matter...we were still losing after it went in.

2) d'antoni / dwight - make some free throws gdi, but we know you suck at free throws, which is why d'antoni is to blame more for this than dwight. it's a stupid strategy.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby escobar8 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:40 pm

hero-hill
zero-kobe...dont know did he pass the ball 5 times today...
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby icencream27 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:41 pm

ZERO: Kobe - - 31 shots
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby raviator on Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:42 pm

Hero: ....
Zero: Foremost Dwight, second game in a row he lost for us, then everyone else for forgetting how to play defense the last 8 minutes.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:03 pm

hero - kobe
zero - dwight
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Finwë on Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:05 pm

hero: no one
zero: howard. LOL @ that guy. So pathetic. Miss more FTs dude!

We can't pick coaches right? if we can then the zero is D'Antoni.. He left Howard there, and made a lot of other bad decisions in that 4th quarter, including not even drawing up plays for us to get easy looks when they couldn't foul howard anymore..
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby odom1year on Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:17 pm

Hero: Duhon
Zero: Kobe, thinking scoring and milestone instead of winning for the team. SELFISH !
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby trodgers on Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:18 pm

Hero: Kobe
Zero: Dwight
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby JGC on Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:21 pm

Hero: Duhon
Zero: Kobe. Sorry but 18 shots at halftime is a recipe for disaster. Taking 40% of your team's field goals is just raising the middle finger at the team concept.

Dwight gets a very, VERY close second. Toney Douglas got more offensive boards than he did cmon! But Kobe is the leader and he sets the tone for this team. And tonight, he set the wrong tone and we lost as a result.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Finwë on Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:39 pm

JGC wrote:Hero: Duhon
Zero: Kobe. Sorry but 18 shots at halftime is a recipe for disaster. Taking 40% of your team's field goals is just raising the middle finger at the team concept.

Dwight gets a very, VERY close second. Toney Douglas got more offensive boards than he did cmon! But Kobe is the leader and he sets the tone for this team. And tonight, he set the wrong tone and we lost as a result.

I mostly agree with your comments on his decisions and "tone", but I wouldn't say we lost as a result of that. We were up around 10 and Kobe was sitting on the bench.. The unit to start the 4th was horrendus, and the Rockets started to cut the lead. Then Kobe & Dwight came in, only to be welcomed by an effective hack-a-dwight that let them come back and take the lead.
Kobe did take more shots than any of us wanted him to, and he did suck on D, but IMO in no way was the loss on him or because of him.
I'd say it was mostly D'Antoni's coaching (4th quarter time). Howard's FTs bricking, the 2nd unit turning the ball over, being unable to get stops were all huge too. Despite kobe's "chucking" we were up pretty big the whole game. it was a 4th quarter collapse, and it wasn't on him.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby borri on Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:58 pm

:jam2: = Ron (great d on Harden)
:bang: = Kobe (when the other starters shoot 50% FG, you shouldn't be dominating the ball like that. Defense wasn't much better)

There's a time for Kobe to go ballhog. Tonight was NOT it. Duhon 2-4, D12 4-9, Ron 4-7, Jamison 6-11. Guys were playing well. Kobe ruined it by trying to do it himself. Hopefully once he gets his 30K points, it'll stop.

Now is the time to develop chemistry and trust in your teammates. You don't do it by hogging the ball ESPECIALLY when guys were playing well.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby JGC on Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:02 pm

Finwë wrote:
JGC wrote:Hero: Duhon
Zero: Kobe. Sorry but 18 shots at halftime is a recipe for disaster. Taking 40% of your team's field goals is just raising the middle finger at the team concept.

Dwight gets a very, VERY close second. Toney Douglas got more offensive boards than he did cmon! But Kobe is the leader and he sets the tone for this team. And tonight, he set the wrong tone and we lost as a result.

I mostly agree with your comments on his decisions and "tone", but I wouldn't say we lost as a result of that. We were up around 10 and Kobe was sitting on the bench.. The unit to start the 4th was horrendus, and the Rockets started to cut the lead. Then Kobe & Dwight came in, only to be welcomed by an effective hack-a-dwight that let them come back and take the lead.
Kobe did take more shots than any of us wanted him to, and he did suck on D, but IMO in no way was the loss on him or because of him.
I'd say it was mostly D'Antoni's coaching (4th quarter time). Howard's FTs bricking, the 2nd unit turning the ball over, being unable to get stops were all huge too. Despite kobe's "chucking" we were up pretty big the whole game. it was a 4th quarter collapse, and it wasn't on him.


When the team concept it employed throughout the course of the game, we don't have 4th quarter collapses.

When we go in to hero ball mode, that's when we seem to have collapses. There's a correlation there IMO.

Kobe's chucking doesn't help the team get into sync offensively, and it doesn't help the team play better defensively. If these games are supposed to be our time to "gel" and form our identity as a team, then this game was a wasted opportunity to do that.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Finwë on Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:36 pm

JGC wrote:
Finwë wrote:
JGC wrote:Hero: Duhon
Zero: Kobe. Sorry but 18 shots at halftime is a recipe for disaster. Taking 40% of your team's field goals is just raising the middle finger at the team concept.

Dwight gets a very, VERY close second. Toney Douglas got more offensive boards than he did cmon! But Kobe is the leader and he sets the tone for this team. And tonight, he set the wrong tone and we lost as a result.

I mostly agree with your comments on his decisions and "tone", but I wouldn't say we lost as a result of that. We were up around 10 and Kobe was sitting on the bench.. The unit to start the 4th was horrendus, and the Rockets started to cut the lead. Then Kobe & Dwight came in, only to be welcomed by an effective hack-a-dwight that let them come back and take the lead.
Kobe did take more shots than any of us wanted him to, and he did suck on D, but IMO in no way was the loss on him or because of him.
I'd say it was mostly D'Antoni's coaching (4th quarter time). Howard's FTs bricking, the 2nd unit turning the ball over, being unable to get stops were all huge too. Despite kobe's "chucking" we were up pretty big the whole game. it was a 4th quarter collapse, and it wasn't on him.


When the team concept it employed throughout the course of the game, we don't have 4th quarter collapses.

When we go in to hero ball mode, that's when we seem to have collapses. There's a correlation there IMO.

Kobe's chucking doesn't help the team get into sync offensively, and it doesn't help the team play better defensively. If these games are supposed to be our time to "gel" and form our identity as a team, then this game was a wasted opportunity to do that.

Even if that was an actual, real tendency, that's not what happened tonight.. We were leading comfortably throughout the game, and that was when Kobe's "chucking" was happening.. Role players were actually playing pretty well. Jamison had a nice rythm, Duhon was making great plays, Hill was hustling, Meeks hit a couple of shots.. The collapse started with Kobe on the bench, when Mike stuck with a unit full of bench players (something that should NOT happen in the 4th quarter) and Houston's guys started to get some rythm.
Kobe and Dwight came back in at the 6:00 mark of the 4th, way too late IMO considering what I just mentioned. The lead was 7.
Jamison turnover (kobe didn't touch it in that possession btw) -> he fouls Smith who converts a lay up and hits a FT in an and-1 play. Lead down to 4.
Kobe hits a jumper. Lead at 6.
Harden hits a layup, lead is 4.
MWP turns it over, Duhon fouls Harden who hits 1 of 2 from the line. Lead at 3.
Kobe misses a shot. The Rockets don't convert on the other end. Kobe is fouled, makes 1 of 2.
Lead at 4.
Rockets miss, Kobe gets a lay up. Lead at 6.
MWP fouls Smitih shooting, hits both. Lead at 4.
HACK-A-DWIGHT begins.
Goes 0/2 from the line. Harden hits 2 FTs. Lead at 2.
Goes 1/2 from the line. Smith gets a lay up (and is fouled. misses FT) TIE GAME.
Goes 1/2 from the line. Douglas 3. Houston leads by 1.
Goes 1/2 from the line. HOU misses. Tied game.
Goes 2/2 from the line. The rockets get 3 shots at the basket (offensive rebounds), convert on the last one. Tied game.
END OF HACK-A-DWIGHT.

Let me ask you this: if, as you say, Kobe taking many shots takes his teammates out of sync or something like that, what do you think the effect of NOT EVEN RUNNING AN OFFENSE 5 STRAIGHT POSSESSIONS because of intentional fouls on an exceptionally bad FT shooter is? If players not getting the ball a couple of times while the best offensive player in the team takes shots is bad, how bad is players not even crossing half court before the opposing team fouls your worst FT shooter and he bricks them?
I think it's pretty clear which one's (way) worse, and there's been EVIDENCE of it the last 2 games.
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