Hero/Zero

Re: Hero/Zero

Postby JGC on Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:44 pm

^ Well, the effect in the Rockets game was a differential of a single basket during the entire duration of Hack a Dwight.

That is, during those 5 straight possessions, we went from a 4 pt lead to a 2pt lead.

So in this particular game, I really don't think the Hack a Howard was the major culprit especially when in the final two minutes of the game, the differential was -4 pts in non Hack a Dwight situation.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:58 pm

JGC wrote:^ Well, the effect in the Rockets game was a differential of a single basket during the entire duration of Hack a Dwight.

That is, during those 5 straight possessions, we went from a 4 pt lead to a 2pt lead.

So in this particular game, I really don't think the Hack a Howard was the major culprit especially when in the final two minutes of the game, the differential was -4 pts in non Hack a Dwight situation.


In a two point game 8 missed free throws wasn't the difference?.... is that what you just said?
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Finwë on Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:59 pm

JGC wrote:^ Well, the effect in the Rockets game was a differential of a single basket during the entire duration of Hack a Dwight.

That is, during those 5 straight possessions, we went from a 4 pt lead to a 2pt lead.

So in this particular game, I really don't think the Hack a Howard was the major culprit especially when in the final two minutes of the game, the differential was -4 pts in non Hack a Dwight situation.

You do understand that the game continued after hack-a-dwight right? And that, after 5 possessions of not even being able to run, and now truly being "out of sync" our guys had to somehow score the basketball?
You do realize that right after the possessions Howard was getting fouled and missing some FTs, which only gave the Rockets players more momentum, we had to stop them, which was way harder with our players being out of rythm and theirs gaining confidence?
You like to say how Kobe takes the team out of sync, what do you think hack-a-dwight does? Players don't even get to cross half court!

My summary of what happened was also an effort to show that Kobe had had little fault in the lead being reduced from 11 (at which point he wasn't in the game) to 7 (when he entered) to 4 (when hack-a-dwight started) to nothing (when hack-a-dwight ended), unlike what you subtly suggested.

IMO saying that Kobe was the zero / the main culprit is just groundless, myopic. But it's pretty much what you and other posters have been doing for a while now, highlighting certain parts of the game and ignoring others, twisting facts or ignoring facts (like Howard's touches - how many times did trodgers explain to you that he's getting more touches than Bynum did last year?), exaggerating certain sequences, jumping to groundless conclusions, etc, all seemingly in an effort to find Kobe as the one, or one of the ones, to blame for most of the bad things happening to the team. Many have noticed this.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby JGC on Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:03 pm

Finwë wrote:
JGC wrote:^ Well, the effect in the Rockets game was a differential of a single basket during the entire duration of Hack a Dwight.

That is, during those 5 straight possessions, we went from a 4 pt lead to a 2pt lead.

So in this particular game, I really don't think the Hack a Howard was the major culprit especially when in the final two minutes of the game, the differential was -4 pts in non Hack a Dwight situation.

You do understand that the game continued after hack-a-dwight right? And that, after 5 possessions of not even being able to run, and now truly being "out of sync" our guys had to somehow score the basketball?
You do realize that right after the possessions Howard was getting fouled and missing some FTs, which only gave the Rockets players more momentum, we had to stop them, which was way harder with our players being out of rythm and theirs gaining confidence?
You like to say how Kobe takes the team out of sync, what do you think hack-a-dwight does? Players don't even get to cross half court!

My summary of what happened was also an effort to show that Kobe had had little fault in the lead being reduced from 11 (at which point he wasn't in the game) to 7 (when he entered) to 4 (when hack-a-dwight started) to nothing (when hack-a-dwight ended), unlike what you subtly suggested.

IMO saying that Kobe was the zero / the main culprit is just groundless, myopic. But it's pretty much what you and other posters have been doing for a while now, highlighting certain parts of the game and ignoring others, twisting facts or ignoring facts (like Howard's touches - how many times did trodgers explain to you that he's getting more touches than Bynum did last year?), exaggerating certain sequences, jumping to groundless conclusions, etc, all seemingly in an effort to find Kobe as the one, or one of the ones, to blame for most of the bad things happening to the team. Many have noticed this.


I think Kobe hero ball AND Hack a Dwight takes the the team out of sync. Don't you?
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Finwë on Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:29 pm

JGC wrote:
Finwë wrote:
JGC wrote:^ Well, the effect in the Rockets game was a differential of a single basket during the entire duration of Hack a Dwight.

That is, during those 5 straight possessions, we went from a 4 pt lead to a 2pt lead.

So in this particular game, I really don't think the Hack a Howard was the major culprit especially when in the final two minutes of the game, the differential was -4 pts in non Hack a Dwight situation.

You do understand that the game continued after hack-a-dwight right? And that, after 5 possessions of not even being able to run, and now truly being "out of sync" our guys had to somehow score the basketball?
You do realize that right after the possessions Howard was getting fouled and missing some FTs, which only gave the Rockets players more momentum, we had to stop them, which was way harder with our players being out of rythm and theirs gaining confidence?
You like to say how Kobe takes the team out of sync, what do you think hack-a-dwight does? Players don't even get to cross half court!

My summary of what happened was also an effort to show that Kobe had had little fault in the lead being reduced from 11 (at which point he wasn't in the game) to 7 (when he entered) to 4 (when hack-a-dwight started) to nothing (when hack-a-dwight ended), unlike what you subtly suggested.

IMO saying that Kobe was the zero / the main culprit is just groundless, myopic. But it's pretty much what you and other posters have been doing for a while now, highlighting certain parts of the game and ignoring others, twisting facts or ignoring facts (like Howard's touches - how many times did trodgers explain to you that he's getting more touches than Bynum did last year?), exaggerating certain sequences, jumping to groundless conclusions, etc, all seemingly in an effort to find Kobe as the one, or one of the ones, to blame for most of the bad things happening to the team. Many have noticed this.


I think Kobe hero ball AND Hack a Dwight takes the the team out of sync. Don't you?

Kobe taking too many shots does sometimes take other players out of rythm, but not nearly in the level hack-a-dwigth might, and not 100% of the time. Many times Kobe has compensated for the rest of the team's lack of agressiveness and picked up the slack by himself for a little while, and it's worked or helped in some level, keeping us in games (say game 5 vs denver during the playoffs for example), jump starting the team, etc. Many times shots didn't really fall for him and the whole thing got ugly, fast. Sometimes, like tonight, the impact IMO isn't really good but isn't that bad, the team was doing fine through the majority of kobe's "hero ball", we led by 10+..
hack-a-dwight will always be harmful not only +/- wise but also will always hurt the flow / rythm of the game.
It was clearly a bigger factor tonight, but you won't concede that..
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby JGC on Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:39 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
JGC wrote:^ Well, the effect in the Rockets game was a differential of a single basket during the entire duration of Hack a Dwight.

That is, during those 5 straight possessions, we went from a 4 pt lead to a 2pt lead.

So in this particular game, I really don't think the Hack a Howard was the major culprit especially when in the final two minutes of the game, the differential was -4 pts in non Hack a Dwight situation.


In a two point game 8 missed free throws wasn't the difference?.... is that what you just said?


Well, depends on how you look at it. Would you consider someone missing 17 shots in a two point game a contributor? Or no?

I'm just saying BTW, that in that span, Dwight missed 5 free throws but the net differential in the points in the game was only -2. When you consider we led most of the game by double digits, and the momentum had already been lost by the time Hack a Howard had begun and the lead had already dwindled to 4, I would say no, that wasn't THE difference. A difference yes. But not THE difference.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Juronimo on Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:09 pm

Hero: Duhon, did a good job running the team.
Zero: Howard, missing free throws for the L once again.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:14 pm

H: Kobe
Z: Ebanks
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby noobiew on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:19 pm

Hero: Kobe ( 29 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 steals, 1 turnover, 59% FG) :jam2:
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby JGC on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:24 pm

Hero: Kobe (congrats on 30K Kobe and well played game today)
Zero: Ebanks. Didn't really do much of anything. Seemed out of control at times.

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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby trodgers on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:27 pm

Hee-Row: Kobah
Zee-Row: Meh. I'll pass.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby gill on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:28 pm

Hero: Kobe
Zero: No one really.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:29 pm

Hero: Kobe! Over 30k points AND a nice road victory. Sweet!
Zero: Can't really think of one right now. Too glad to see a W.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Finwë on Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:15 pm

H: Kobe.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby escobar8 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:00 pm

hero kobe...
zero ebanks...
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby lakersyunowin on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:19 pm

hero: meeks/duhon (kobe and dwight just being kobe and dwight)
zero: ebanks (stop playing him)
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby gill on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:20 pm

Hero: meeks, kobe, Dwight
Zero: Why is Ebanks getting minutes?
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby noobiew on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:26 pm

Hero: Kobe
Zero: Ebanks
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Finwë on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:28 pm

H: Meeks
Z: Ebanks
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby JGC on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:28 pm

Hero: Kobe (HM: Dwight)
Zero: Ebanks (guy is useless out there and looks lost)
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby TIME on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:40 pm

Finwë wrote:H: Meeks
Z: Ebanks
I'm lost in the fog of denial!
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Jellincon on Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:02 pm

noobiew wrote:Hero: Kobe
Zero: Ebanks
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby Frank Dux on Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:23 pm

Why is Ebanks still a Laker? All he cares about is getting drunk at the playboy mansion and working on his music career.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:11 am

Ebanks is effing garbage, but seriously we don't have another backup at the 3 for Ron. It's ridiculous that we haven't signed someone more competent than that D-league tier scrub.
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Re: Hero/Zero

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:40 am

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:Ebanks is effing garbage, but seriously we don't have another backup at the 3 for Ron. It's ridiculous that we haven't signed someone more competent than that D-league tier scrub.


yea.. someone like chris douglas roberts















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