Vasashi17 wrote:Real, I get what you're saying...but what they did wrong is how they choose to conduct themselves.
How so? They are a business and they've conducted themselves as such all season. They made their players available, but so does every team. There's no hard feelings, you just do what you have to.
Vasashi17 wrote:Reports flying everywhere about how Blake, Hill, Kaman and Pau (going on 3 years now) are available. One thing is certain, they're all expirings. So if they wanted their Bird Rights, they already had them. If they wanted to open up cap for free agency, they already had that too with these expiring deals.
It was either a) keep them and their Bird Rights making them easier to sign or b) trade them for assets.
I firmly believe that this is the right course of action.
Vasashi17 wrote:So the motive had to be, that they lost a ton of assets via picks with the Dwight/Nash deals and wanted to get some back. Essentially, try to get inexpensive assets, cause apparently Mitch has been snoozing on that concept for quite some time and just realized through his GM buddies how valuable they are now.
I'm not sure that's true. We used our picks at a shot at a title and got screwed. A gamble that didn't pay off. It was still a GREAT gamble. Any time you have a shot at acquiring the kind of talent we had last season, you do it; even if you have to mortgage your future for a chance at now. Especially when the face of your franchise is getting long in the tooth.
Retrospectively we can all judge those moves negatively, but they were the right moves at the time and I would have made them pretty much the exact same way. As for not realizing the value of 2nd round picks... I think the Lakers have made great use of their 2nd rounders in recent years. Kelly, Sacre, and Ebanks were all rotation players at some point in time for one reason or another.
Vasashi17 wrote:But after whiffing on that attempt, he comes out and states how they want to open up time to their guards (ahem...trading one guard for two...I'm confused)....
PGs- Blake, Nash, Farmar, Marshall
SGs- (blank up until Meeks came back yesterday)
We got rid of one and added two of ANOTHER type of guard.
Vasashi17 wrote:how they want to open up flexibility for free agency (ahem...premature Kobe extension...I'm confused)...
I wouldn't say premature. I'd say overpaid though.
Vasashi17 wrote:how they want to make sure they aren't tied down by deals that will lead to them hovering at 41-41 (ahem....3 year guaranteed deal for a 38 year old Nash at the time....I'm confused).....
Again that's incredible 20/20 vision of the past my friend.
We signed him to a deal that made way more sense when Kobe and Pau were healthy. Not to mention, Nash was the ONLY player signed that far in advance including Kobe at the time. We'd still have premium cap flexibility. And at the time of the signing Nash was averaging a double-double in points and assists while shooting over 50% from the field still.
Vasashi17 wrote:how its unacceptable to conduct salary dumps and not perform basketball operated moves (ahem....we're loaded with expirings that could have landed us a deal similar to the Granger one...I'm confused).
That's a good point. They tried with Kaman apparently, but couldn't get a deal done. I'm guessing their asking price for Pau was probably too high and THAT is a mistake. I'd prefer if they brought him in.
But you have to keep in mind also that we're trying to get a draft pick now. That's the narrative of the FO and of course it had to play in to what they were looking for in trades. Maybe they determined that bringing in Turner would mean more wins than they wanted. That coupled with them demanding a pick back for Pau is probably what kept the deal from happening.
But I concede that is one mistake.
Vasashi17 wrote:Now we got players who knew they were trade fodder, who didn't get moved.
Happens everywhere around the league all the time.
Vasashi17 wrote:They are expressing how it feels good to be wanted by other teams.
Of course they are also saying that they like LA, love their teammates, and want to stay here, but you didn't mention that part.
Vasashi17 wrote:They will be unrestricted this summer and we will be at their mercy....yet management wants the fanbase to believe that we increased our flexibility with their Bird Rights....
We don't care about them. This summer is about getting a draft pick for the future and a FA that we can build a Championship team around. Hill, Kaman, and Pau aren't part of that plan anyway. BUT in the event that we strike out on every available FA, we have their Bird Rights to give them a decent contract.
Vasashi17 wrote:(ahem....didn't we have Bird Rights last summer too on a particular free agent and how did that work out for us....I'm confused)!
Do/did you really want to keep him here? Everything I've read says he wanted the Lakers to choose between himself and Kobe. Do you want that here? Do you think the Lakers wanted that here?
Vasashi17 wrote:Actually scratch that...I think the FO is confused....so stop feeding us BS that they don't even believe themselves.
You're very angry at them, but I disagree with your assessment of this current situation. The Pau/Turner thing is definitely a miss, but I'm not upset at all with the other decisions made. Not in the slightest.