lakerfan2 wrote:Well to any extent, being a successfully consistent team over the past decade or so hasn't netted us a lottery pick player. The one we did get, was Bynum. As much as JB wanted to draft him, a lot of credit should go to the scout that JB ultimately fired.
.... the scout presented his opinion and Phil and Mitch STILL wanted May. Who fired him is not relevant whatsoever here IMO. Phil and Mitch were looking for a Brian Cook 2.0 IMO and we got a 17 year old that ended up netting us Howard. The fantasy scenario where Howard and CP3 lead us to a championship or 5 starts and ends when Bynum was drafted..... which was not the way the Coach and GM wanted it at the time.
lakerfan2 wrote:You have to remember, we also drafted Marc Gasol, by in which, we netted Pau Gasol and then 2 championships. We were making the right moves.
Marc Gasol was not drafted to trade.... and he wasn't traded because Mitch saw value. He was "tossed in" that trade. Memphis knew of the value because of Pau.... if anything we were not aware of his value while another team was. It wasn't our focus to develop players at that time..... that is one of the focuses of my overall point. Even if we had known what Marc Gasol was we still would have shipped him off for an old 2 guard to run the Triangle. It's those decisions years ago that have contributed to where we are..... not just Dwight getting his panties in a bundle and Stern nixing the CP3 deal.
lakerfan2 wrote:Then complacency set in with players, internal matters such as Phil learning about his Prostate Cancer diagnosis, kind of slowly fell apart in the 2011 season.
We see it differently here as well. Trading pick after pick, signing only certain players while other nice pieces went elsewhere was the main issue... not Phil's cancer. Again, it netted us two rings but this is the hangover from 5 years ago.... not an Acute Jimmy Buss event.
lakerfan2 wrote:This is all the while, Lakers were trying to make moves to fit a new system with Phil gone. CP3 and Howard don't seem like fits because they haven't played with another superstar before. Kobe, Dwight and CP3 would've attracted more capable players like the Shane Battiers to come at a cut to compete.
No offense but did I miss where Battier or any other person was on the record to come here if we had this team? This is the mindset of a Fantasy team builder IMO. Even during our "run" we didn't have people coming here after Shaq left.... just didn't happen other than Artest and that was at the expense of youth in Ariza.
lakerfan2 wrote:We see it now with Houston and the Clippers, AK took a cut to play in Brooklyn.
Kaman and Young just took significant cuts to join the Lakers..... AFTER Howard left. Cause and effect not connecting here IMO.
lakerfan2 wrote:A lot did take place during that veto. Lakers didn't get their star. Their current players, feelings were hurt, especially coming off having such great chemistry. Then a few years of downtime and now the fans want to blame JB?
Coming off great chemistry? You do remember how the previous year ended right? Bynum chucking a guy into the 3rd row and basically everyone but Kobe, Artest and Bynum looking like they couldn't care less in Dallas.... Phil thought so much of that "chemistry" that he didn't even entertain coming back.
I know I'm in the minority but I think not getting CP3 was a good thing.... he is not made for post season success.... Pop and Phil game planned him right out of a few series over the years and his has little value when he doesn't have the ball in his hands. He's had very good team in the regular season only to be a huge disappointment in the post season. Ball dominant, small guard don't lead teams to finals.... Prime to Prime Nash was better than CP3 and never got that close to a finals.
I was in the minority on Howard as well....