How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby emplay on Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:48 pm

This isn't necessarily MY plan - this is how the Lakers would need to approach the offseason if they're thinking win now - as Kobe all but demanded Wednesday

How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's last years
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:10 pm

If we are going to trade our 1st round pick this season, I'd rather it be for a player we aren't a lock to get in FA the following year.

If I'm trading the 1st this year, it's for....

Andre Drummond
Kyrie Irving
Jimmy Butler
Klay Thompson
Harrison Barnes

Trading an unproven draft pick for an already established top tier young talent.

This offseason - You build the bench + Guy above + save room for the following season
Next offseason - Add Love
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby laakers on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:32 pm

Doc Brown wrote:If we are going to trade our 1st round pick this season, I'd rather it be for a player we aren't a lock to get in FA the following year.

If I'm trading the 1st this year, it's for....

Andre Drummond
Kyrie Irving
Jimmy Butler
Klay Thompson
Harrison Barnes

Trading an unproven draft pick for an already established top tier young talent.

This offseason - You build the bench + Guy above + save room for the following season
Next offseason - Add Love


I would agree with all of the above. The only problem I see is that Kobe's contract is 2 more years, and expecting to win a title in two years with another star like Love playing his first season here is pretty lofty. It's realistic, but it also depends on how Kobe is playing. One more year after these 2 might be what he needs to do to get a 6th ring, if his body even lets him.
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:39 pm

I still don't see how you fill in a roster that can compete, get a new system/coach in place, AND gel as a team in Kobe's window. The stuff outlined is pretty optimistic (trying to be nice here) and all of this is predicated on someone wanting our first round pick.

The guys in Miami needed a year…. in a weak conference….. we needed a year after Pau….. we needed 3 years after Kobe/Shaq….. The idea of tossing together another team of "stars" and expecting a championship seems to be rooted in something other than reality.
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby karacha on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:58 pm

Rooscooter wrote:I still don't see how you fill in a roster that can compete, get a new system/coach in place, AND gel as a team in Kobe's window.


I think it's obvious: you simply can't do that.
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby laakers on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:58 pm

Rooscooter wrote:I still don't see how you fill in a roster that can compete, get a new system/coach in place, AND gel as a team in Kobe's window. The stuff outlined is pretty optimistic (trying to be nice here) and all of this is predicated on someone wanting our first round pick.

The guys in Miami needed a year…. in a weak conference….. we needed a year after Pau….. we needed 3 years after Kobe/Shaq….. The idea of tossing together another team of "stars" and expecting a championship seems to be rooted in something other than reality.


I agree... I'm trying to be optimistic :man10: ... The point is, a lot of things have to fall in place in order for Kobe to win another ring.
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:34 pm

karacha wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:I still don't see how you fill in a roster that can compete, get a new system/coach in place, AND gel as a team in Kobe's window.


I think it's obvious: you simply can't do that.

^This.

And if we've learned anything these last 2 years, that gelling part and having players used to playing in a system that work and they are doing it together is a lot more important than a lot of people think. (Nash, Kobe, Howard experiment)
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:56 pm

^ Harden and Dwight are doing alright right now. Boston and Miami did alright too. :man1:

I think the important thing is the front office working together... The pieces were there for us with Dwight/Pau/Nash/Kobe/Artest but they didn't tie well. The last piece was a coach/FO that meshed well.
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:18 pm

Boston did it with a nice group of vets. It would take signing two quality vet stars. But we're already paying for an injured one, and Kobe is a question mark as well. I can imagine it all working out like the Nets did this year, rather than the 08 Celtics.

You would think that Kobe would realiZe that the FO offered him that huge contract to pay him off as the crowd-drawer for the next few years, in exchange for closing the window on the championship hopes.
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:05 am

I guarantee that wasn't what they told him when he signed. :man10:

I'm almost certain they told him "if you sign for 2 yrs/48 million, we have room for 1 max contract this summer and 1 max contract the next." So I'm sure he expects them to spend that way. This summer according to Kobe should be:

Kobe- 23.5
Carmelo- 21
Nash- 9.7
Rookie- 4

That leaves 2 million before the Cap and the MLE to spend.

Then the next summer you've got
Kobe- 25
Carmelo- 22.5
Rookie- 4.5

Which only leaves 10 million so maybe not a max guy, but close to it. :man10:

That's GOT to be what he was told, right? Otherwise how could he realistically expect a rebuild?
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby angrypuppy on Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:28 am

I do not see an obvious scenario where the Lakers could contend within the next two years. Some of the aforementioned players are good, but I don't see any one of them plus Kobe as being enough to even be considered a pretender. Kobe will be 36, and returning from not one but two crippling injuries. While I expect the man to be able to play, his days as a primary option are over. Given the holes on the roster (particularly at pivot) and coaching change, a championship is out of the question.

I wouldn't use the Boston or Miami turnaround as a comparable. Boston tanked for several seasons, and in the process added an inventory of prospects. We don't have any, other than a first round pick which might have been better had the front office traded vets at the deadline. We cannot really use Miami as a comparable as we haven't the cap space for free agents or potential free agents (players with opt out clauses).

It is time to rebuild folks. The worst action the front office can take is to cling to the notion that they can open an closed window.
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:34 am

I didn't say our rebuild would be the same, I said Boston and Miami were able to add pieces that gelled quickly. I didn't say we'd be able to add pieces in a similar fashion.
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:01 am

A lot of things have to change in order for us to even make the playoffs next year. The first move is they need to get rid of this coach. He won't take us anywhere. And despite the fact that he was Kobe's idol as a kid, I don't think number 24 is going to listen to him. Start at least with a coach who is flexible enough to work with what he has on the court. If we have bigs we need to play them and not sit them. We need an overhaul.
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:28 am

Yep. And they're keeping Nash, which IMO means that they're keeping MDA next year as well. I think they're shooting form big free agent in summer 2015 and maybe a decent draft pick this year. Let Nash and Mike expire at the end of next season, and then reup for 2015-16.
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby angrypuppy on Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:38 am

They are keeping Nash because there isn't a compelling reason to stretch waive him. They are rebuilding; it is best to maximize available team cap space.
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:09 am

^ That. I think Nash and D'Antoni are totally mutually exclusive at this point. Which is ironic because they were brought here to be together and now they're the two things dragging us down the most this summer from a roster standpoint. :man10:
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby Savory Griddles on Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:36 am

I honestly think Kobe thinks he will come back as 32 year old Black Mamba and be a top 3 player in which case all he needs (in his head) is one other superstar and some good role players. I don't think Kobe views himself as being as far from his peak as he actually is. Let's also not forget that as long as Kobe is on the court, he will view himself as the alpha dog, which will hurt us more and more as he ages over the next two years.

As I have said before, we need to stop trying to win around Kobe. It ain't going to happen and trying to do so would only put us that much further away from title contention.
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:58 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:I honestly think Kobe thinks he will come back as 32 year old Black Mamba and be a top 3 player in which case all he needs (in his head) is one other superstar and some good role players. I don't think Kobe views himself as being as far from his peak as he actually is. Let's also not forget that as long as Kobe is on the court, he will view himself as the alpha dog, which will hurt us more and more as he ages over the next two years.

As I have said before, we need to stop trying to win around Kobe. It ain't going to happen and trying to do so would only put us that much further away from title contention.

I think Kobe CAN be a beta, but only to a person he trusts to take the organization to the next level moving forward; aka someone a lot like him. Maybe a Durant or a LeBron and (in Kobe's head) a Carmelo could be an alpha with Kobe still on the roster, but definitely a guy like Howard or Harden couldn't because they don't have that lion's heart that Kobe values above all else. You'd need the perfect guy (in Kobe's head) to take that mantel from him.

And I totally agree that the Lakers need to focus on moving forward and not worrying about Kobe. Rebuild as soon as we can and if Kobe's still around by then, sweet. If not, then sorry Kob' but that's what happens when you sign prematurely and take a third of the cap with you.

If we try something like what emplay has in mind: trade for Love (16.7) with Kobe (23.5) and Nash (9.7) for this season, then Nash comes off the books and you extend Love and you've got 10 million to work with... You could maybe get a solid piece and get to the middle of the pack in the West, but I don't see contention with that formula. Not at all.
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby DJ-RaZ-Q#24 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:02 pm

From what I heard we can't trade our pick this year because we traded ours last year? The new CBA prevents that ... but I don't know any sources just read it somewhere. Any truth to that?
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:04 pm

DJ-RaZ-Q#24 wrote:From what I heard we can't trade our pick this year because we traded ours last year? The new CBA prevents that ... but I don't know any sources just read it somewhere. Any truth to that?

We can't trade the pick until draft day. You have to go into the draft with a 1st round pick once every two years. On draft day though you can trade that pick away if you want to.
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:09 pm

^^When the lottery draft order occurs and our pick actually gets a real number attached to it, we can then trade it. Till then its still considered a future pick and you can't trade future consecutive year picks (Suns got our 2013 pick in the Nash deal so 2014 is off the table, which is why we traded our 2015 along with 2 2nd round picks and cash...just a gross trade to dissect now).
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby Johnnyboy on Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:09 pm

No need to rush, draft a pick, and build the team. If kobe retires before then so be it. I prefer whats best for the LAKERS. I love Kobe, but I don't think its wise to make rushed moves. Whatever is best long term is what i support.
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby DJ-RaZ-Q#24 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:44 pm

therealdeal wrote:
DJ-RaZ-Q#24 wrote:From what I heard we can't trade our pick this year because we traded ours last year? The new CBA prevents that ... but I don't know any sources just read it somewhere. Any truth to that?

We can't trade the pick until draft day. You have to go into the draft with a 1st round pick once every two years. On draft day though you can trade that pick away if you want to.


Thank you for clearing that up!
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:58 pm

^^^^ 100% agree ... we don't even know how many games Kobe will be able to play ... Kobe is history as legendary as he is ...

Not sure why medias/fans keep talking about quickly rebuilding around Kobe like it's 2007 ...
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Re: How Lakers might be able to rebuild during Kobe Bryant's las

Postby abeer3 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:26 am

just a technicality, but I'm pretty sure the lakers can't move their pick until it is made. thus, they actually have to make the pick; they can then trade the draft rights of the player for someone. the pick itself can never be traded. again, a technicality, as you can arrange to choose for the trade partner, but that's not exactly what's been stated in this thread.

as for the plan outlined: it's realistic (imo), but it's not a contender. it's a bottom-four playoff team in the west. kobe's extension killed chances at the quick rebuild, which, let's be honest, was a longshot either way.

as for trading the pick: I'm fine either way. if you can get love or rondo by moving the 5th pick, you probably take a shot at it. otherwise, just try to start building up assets again. it's going to be a two year process, at minimum. probably 3 before anyone is scared of the lakers again. one key is not overspending this summer under pressure from kobe.
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