How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby halekulani on Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:52 am

Slurpee22 wrote:I know, this has been a very disappointing season, and injuries are no excuse for the lack of effort displayed almost every game.... I have no idea what our roster will look like on opening night... and I'm guessing almost everything we hear is a baseless rumor garbage....

Who's really expecting a total new band next year? and who do you think could be coming?

given the # of expirings, a new roster is basically inevitable
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby jlkr on Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:46 am

no big star is coming this summer, get that out of your system.
But could still take advantage of cap space to sign a mid-level deal with a just below star level player who would be part of the rebuild going forward.

Gasol for $10m/1 year with team option for 2nd year to make it palatable. Not terribly likely someone offers him a better deal than that. He may leave anyway if he has to put up with MDA again. I can see the Grizzlies making him an offer. Less money but the chance to play with his brother.

Kaman is gone if MDA sticks around. He might be worth retaining if Gasol is gone.
Hill is gone if MDA sticks around. Maybe gone anyway, we've seen his ceiling now and it isn't that high.
Sacre is under contract.

Nash will try, try, try again. Lakers will pay him in full next year, no stretch. That presumes no big FA coming and they get him off the cap after next season.

I like Farmar to stay but he has sure had his injury problems this year. So it should not be difficult to resign him for cheap if no other options available.

Young is likely to bail for better money. I'd keep him if he opted in.
Kelly, Bazemore and Marshall are keepers. Decent bench players with good temperaments and potential for further upside.

The rest, I'm on the fence about:
Meeks is a backup 2, that's his ceiling; if he wants to play behind Kobe for cheap, I'd be ok with that.
Mathews, Johnson, Brooks, Henry could be replaced and I wouldn't shed a tear for them.

To recap: I'm assuming MDA is retained as the FO is too cheap to pay him and new coach at same time.
So: Kobe, Marshall, Nash, Kelly, Bazemore, Sacre, 1st round pick. That's 7 I'm pretty sure about. Assume 5 to 7 other spots open. Meeks, Farmar, Brooks are possibilities. The rest will be new.
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby Chillbongo on Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:21 pm

Battle Tested20 wrote:I am just shocked that so many of you have Pau still on the team and even some with Hill still on the team as well. Those two guys especially Hill are good as gone. Unless they both sign for the vets min but that won't happen.

Since I suggested keeping Pau and Hill I'll explain my rationale. My inclusion of Pau is based on having a defensive anchor. You'll notice I place him at the 4, with Monroe at the 5. Pau and Kobe have good floor chemistry and on top of that he mentioned he could play for a discount on a contender. That's not out of the questions. We need his [somewhat] easy offense and ability to grab boards with another big on the floor. Pau has a place on this team when he's not our last line of defense, IMO. And not at $10M of course.

Hill was more of a "wish-list" retain. It is also based on the premise that Mike D'Antoni is gone. Did I personally think he was going to get the sack...not really. But that was before these alleged reports that Kboe has "no interest" in playing for him. That could change things. Real quick.

Battle Tested20 wrote:For this years team I hope we keep Farmar, Young, Henry, Bazemore. As for Free agents I hope we get Deng and or Stevenson.

I like Deng. Stephenson too. We need the most help at the 3 & the 5. Also the 1, mostly on defense though.

Battle Tested20 wrote:Monroe is a pipe dream IMO because he's going to get the max from somewhere and even if he doesn't DET will then surely match the offer as he is a RFA.

Monroe is pipe? Detroit has Drummond, Smith, and Monroe on a QO for a combined $23M. Smith is locked in for 3 more seasons. His contract is bad. You're telling me their going to roll with Smith/Drummond/Monroe?

Battle Tested20 wrote:I might get killed for saying this because as we've all seen this year we need defense and rebounding in the worse way but I wouldn't mind and even think we should go after Spencer Hawes this off-season whose is a UFA.

I like Hawes a lot and his offense is solid. His defense though? Isn't that what we need? A rim protector?
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby Battle Tested20 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:26 pm

Chillbongo wrote:
Since I suggested keeping Pau and Hill I'll explain my rationale. My inclusion of Pau is based on having a defensive anchor. You'll notice I place him at the 4, with Monroe at the 5. Pau and Kobe have good floor chemistry and on top of that he mentioned he could play for a discount on a contender. That's not out of the questions. We need his [somewhat] easy offense and ability to grab boards with another big on the floor. Pau has a place on this team when he's not our last line of defense, IMO. And not at $10M of course.


I like Deng. Stephenson too. We need the most help at the 3 & the 5. Also the 1, mostly on defense though.




Monroe is pipe? Detroit has Drummond, Smith, and Monroe on a QO for a combined $23M. Smith is locked in for 3 more seasons. His contract is bad. You're telling me their going to roll with Smith/Drummond/Monroe?


I agree, I mean I know its wishful thinking on my part that Pau comes back for the vets min. But I could see Pau maybe coming back if we had a legit defensive player.

I concur, But see this is where I would sign Hawes to play the 4 and then have our defensive center at the 5. Thus not even needing Pau.

No, I agree that the Pistons FO has some stuff to figure out, but I just feel like they might be able to move either Jenning or Smith despite their high contracts to create some room to get Monroe back. Even if Monroe isn't back with the Pistons I think some team will offer him the MAX and we won't be one of those teams willing to do that. I would like having Monroe because he is super young still and have some nice skills.
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby Savory Griddles on Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:19 pm

My semi-realistic dream scenario is:

Kobe - 23.5
Lowry - 8
Stephenson - 10
Nash - 9.7
Sacre - 1
Wiggins - 4.5
Pau - 6

Sign a bunch of vet minimum guys to fill out the roster like last offseason.

Then in 2015 let Nash and Gasol walk and get Love.
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby jlkr on Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:23 pm

Team has no interest in Lowry, put that one away.

Big money has to go to frontcourt players. Championship teams absolutely positively require big men and big man depth. Have to pay for that. They don't require highly paid PGs so don't have to pay for that. Lowry isn't it.

Marshall, Farmar and Nash are next year's PGs unless someone drops into Mitch's lap for cheap. Lowry isn't it.
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:59 pm

On a team with Kobe, a ball dominant guard is not the way to go. Same goes for Durant and Lebron. CP3 may have been the exception, but taking Wade as an example of stepping back to allow Lebron be the main option has made the offense a lot better. Durant is struggling to share the ball with Westbrook.

PG defense is going to be a moot point, even the best guards in the league have trouble guarding B-level guards.
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:05 pm

I think a guy like Mario Chalmers could come in here and immediately blend in with Kobe. Too bad we have to deal with another year of Nash, so we aren't going to be looking to upgrade. :bang:
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:07 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I think a guy like Mario Chalmers could come in here and immediately blend in with Kobe. Too bad we have to deal with another year of Nash, so we aren't going to be looking to upgrade. :bang:

I want to punch Chalmers in his stupid mouth.
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby LakersN4 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:17 pm

jlkr wrote:Team has no interest in Lowry, put that one away.

Big money has to go to frontcourt players. Championship teams absolutely positively require big men and big man depth. Have to pay for that. They don't require highly paid PGs so don't have to pay for that. Lowry isn't it.

Marshall, Farmar and Nash are next year's PGs unless someone drops into Mitch's lap for cheap. Lowry isn't it.

Sadly you're probably right & it's a shame because Lowry might end up being 1 of the better bargains this summer & Marshall/Farmar will look much worse once D'antoni is gone.
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:25 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:I think a guy like Mario Chalmers could come in here and immediately blend in with Kobe. Too bad we have to deal with another year of Nash, so we aren't going to be looking to upgrade. :bang:

I want to punch Chalmers in his stupid mouth.


I agree, but he's got skills and he knows how to play with star players.
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:29 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
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Doc Brown wrote:I think a guy like Mario Chalmers could come in here and immediately blend in with Kobe. Too bad we have to deal with another year of Nash, so we aren't going to be looking to upgrade. :bang:

I want to punch Chalmers in his stupid mouth.


I agree, but he's got skills and he knows how to play with star players.

I'd rather throw myself into a pit of congealed cow fat than watch him with a Laker jersey on.
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:50 pm

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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:54 pm

Mmmmmmmmm..... Cow fat.....
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:16 pm

someone say cow fat? :man13:
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby Congo Cash on Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:19 pm

Even Heat fans are complaining about Chalmers, so yeah I'll pass...
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:23 am

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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:11 am

I'll take a moron like Chalmers over D-Leaguers who are fine with getting embarrassed by 30 every night .

A role player who can spot up , defend and occassionally make a play is the way to go at PG .

Dominant wings/bigs win titles ... if your best player is your typical PNR PG , you will not win ish ...

The Chalmers/Cole rotation is actually a perfect fit
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:33 pm

Which of our players is "fine" with the way the team is losing now? I don't think any of them are "fine", I think all of them are powerless to do anything different.
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby Weezy on Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:39 pm

therealdeal wrote:Which of our players is "fine" with the way the team is losing now? I don't think any of them are "fine", I think all of them are powerless to do anything different.


I agree. And surround our "D-Leaguers" with LeBron, Wade, and Bosh and they won't be losing by 30 very often either.
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:05 am

Letting a teammate fight the opponent 5 players on his own , not commiting any hard fouls when you get abuse in the paint and give up 120+ pts on a nightly basis , I call that being soft and being fine with getting punked ... show some pride at least
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:26 am

So you want these players who are literally playing for their next contract to fight people, get thrown out, and maybe lose out on a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract?

Why should any of them do that at this point? If we were a playoff team or a team that is under contract for years together or a team that hadn't just met each other this damn season, I'd agree. At this point their point of pride is trying to win a few games.

And to your point Sacre, Henry, Young, and Farmar take hard fouls and go hard every single minute they're in the game.
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:02 am

A big turnover is absolutely inevitable. Most of the roster is off the books next year! This is a given that much of it will change.

Of the guys here that I'd like to keep, it's: Farmar, Henry, Bazemore. I believe R. Kelly, Marshall, and Sacre are under contract already for next year.

Guys on the bubble: Young, Hill and Kaman. For the most part I'd like to keep those guys, but realistically we'll have to see what their price is. If Antoni is here Hill and Kaman are definitely going to walk. But we need some bigs. Sacre and Kelly aren't going to cut it as starters. I think Young opts out and goes elsewhere.

Big question mark is Pau and also what they are going to do with Nash in terms of stretch provision or just paying him for the year. I don't know how that all plays out, or what our "vision" is regarding them.

Guys like Meeks, Johnson, Brooks I don't think will be retained.
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:09 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:Letting a teammate fight the opponent 5 players on his own , not commiting any hard fouls when you get abuse in the paint and give up 120+ pts on a nightly basis , I call that being soft and being fine with getting punked ... show some pride at least


I'd expect a team that had been successful and was getting punked would be fighting for the Lakers…. instead we have announced publicly that it will be another year of 1 year deals to a bunch of players on 1 year deals…. so in essence we've said that the group we have isn't in our future plans. Why fight for an employer that doesn't want you?
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Re: How many people are expecting a new roster next year?

Postby LakersN4 on Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:02 am

Alright I feel like throwing together an offseason plan & this thread seems more appropriate for that now that the Tank Talk thread has made a shift towards 100% NCAA talk.

Fire D'antoni, hire George Karl.

Draft Wiggins, Parker, or Exum, in that order. I'm going to assume we draft Exum around the #5 pick judging by the top 3 being locked in & it looking like we're more worried about not finishing with the worst record in team history than tanking, & Exum doing his best to persuade other teams to not pick him.


Trade Nash for Salmons (1M guaranteed), buy out Salmons, add 8M to our cap space.

Talk Melo into taking a deal starting at 14-14.5M (same amount the Heat big 3 took)

Pick up Marshall's option.

Lock in Jordan Hill & Nick Young on multi year deals starting at 3.5M each.

Sign Gortat to a multi year deal starting at 8-9M

Give Farmar a multi year deal starting around 2M

Kobe (23.5)
Melo (14.5)
Gortat (8-9)
Hill (3.5)
Young (3.5)
Exum (2.9)
Farmar (2M)
Salmons (cut but 1M still counting against Cap)
Marshall (900k)
Sacre (900k)

+ 4 minimum cap holds lets say a total of 2M.. Puts us right at the cap

Hope X's injuries have dropped his stock enough to bring him back for the minimum.. Bring back Bazemore, Wes, Kelly for the minimum.



So that's:


Marshall/Farmar
Exum/Young/Bazemore
Kobe/X/Wes
Melo/Hill/Kelly
Gortat/Sacre/Minimum Contract

That's the best bench in the league once again, with the major difference being we're adding Kobe, Melo, & Exum to the starting lineup, along with replacing Pau at C with a guy who actually plays defense. Alot of what if's with this team, but if Kobe is back to being Kobe, Exum is an immediate impact player, Marshall continues to develop, & we stay relatively healthy, that is a contender. I went with a minimum contract at C instead of PG assuming Exum will play some PG but you can go either way.
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