How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby Weezy on Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:23 pm

Gah, not the no training camp excuse :man2: :man10: . Our record SHOULD be above .500 with this roster no matter who the coach, if only by a little.
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby Weezy on Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:25 pm

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karacha wrote:BTW, what is our record with MDA as our coach? With all these injuries, no true system in place, no training camp etc? I bet it's above .500. And after the All-star game, once we were actually able to build something resembling on-court chemistry?

Well we're 44-38.

We started 1-4.

So his record is 43-34.


Actually Bernie coached 4 games so I believe 3 of those wins are his. :man1:
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby therealdeal on Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:28 pm

Right my fault.

So he's 40-34.

But if we're going to track trends he's 20-9 in the last 29 games.
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby retro_nights on Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:33 pm

wasn't no training camp the reason we gave mike brown?
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby Weezy on Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:33 pm

To seriously be positive and give credit for a second, like I mentioned in another thread, we're 27-12 since we were 17-25. I give most of the credit to the players, Kobe and Dwight especially, but the coach had to have done some things right, even if that was get out of the players way and let them do what they do best.
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:38 pm

If we have a full training camp I think our roster looks a bit different. CDR would have been a good MDA fit so I think he makes the roster.. Just that small addition of a backup wing with size to guard SF's changes the season dramatically.. Does no injuries also mean Dwight comes in to training camp/season 100%? if so, that alone has us a 3 or 4 seed at worst right now. If we had all of our guys together & healthy, they probably figure out how to play together in the 1st month of the season.
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby Weezy on Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:42 pm

Ok, but if CDR would have stayed, then why didn't we just re-sign him when we got 'Antoni and the Mavs let him go? Also, why didn't we sign Glock back way sooner, he seems like a perfect 'Antoni player.
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby The Rock on Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:46 pm

Weezy wrote:Ok, but if CDR would have stayed, then why didn't we just re-sign him when we got 'Antoni and the Mavs let him go? Also, why didn't we sign Glock back way sooner, he seems like a perfect 'Antoni player.


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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby Weezy on Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:50 pm

Yeah, and I'm probably expecting too much, but once the deadline passed they should have signed cheap help.
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:52 pm

Weezy wrote:Ok, but if CDR would have stayed, then why didn't we just re-sign him when we got 'Antoni and the Mavs let him go? Also, why didn't we sign Glock back way sooner, he seems like a perfect 'Antoni player.

Well I think at that point D'antoni was pushing for Raja Bell. It's a bigger deal to go out & re-sign a guy than it is to keep him on the roster. If D'antoni got a chance to see him in camp & he impressed it's nothing to keep him. CDR would seemingly be a much better fit with D'antoni than he was with Brown.
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby Vasashi17 on Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:55 pm

Weez, you forget that even if we added players to the roster, it would have been hard for them to crack MDA's rotation. :man12:

Would training camp have made a difference? Well, PnR is a pretty complicated offense to learn....as seen with his other squads, its so complicated they often have to ignore defense just to get the offense down. :nono2:
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby borri on Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:59 pm

Weezy wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
karacha wrote:BTW, what is our record with MDA as our coach? With all these injuries, no true system in place, no training camp etc? I bet it's above .500. And after the All-star game, once we were actually able to build something resembling on-court chemistry?

Well we're 44-38.

We started 1-4.

So his record is 43-34.


Actually Bernie coached 4 games so I believe 3 of those wins are his. :man1:


Actually i thinks it's 4. Bernie went 4-1.
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby therealdeal on Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:41 pm

borri wrote:
Weezy wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
karacha wrote:BTW, what is our record with MDA as our coach? With all these injuries, no true system in place, no training camp etc? I bet it's above .500. And after the All-star game, once we were actually able to build something resembling on-court chemistry?

Well we're 44-38.

We started 1-4.

So his record is 43-34.


Actually Bernie coached 4 games so I believe 3 of those wins are his. :man1:


Actually i thinks it's 4. Bernie went 4-1.

So his record is 39-34. Going 20-9 to close the season.
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby karacha on Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:44 pm

Weezy wrote:Our record SHOULD be above .500 with this roster...


What roster?
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby Weezy on Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:06 pm

karacha wrote:
Weezy wrote:Our record SHOULD be above .500 with this roster...


What roster?


A team with Kobe all season, Dwight almost the entire season, Jamison the whole season, and Pau, Nash, MWP, and Blake playing more than missing, should still be good enough to be over .500. I'm not saying we should have been great, the injury excuse is legit, but .500 is at minimum what this roster should have reached even with the injuries.
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby karacha on Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:13 pm

Well, it should be above .500 and it is above .500. Can't expect much more, frankly, with old players and all these injuries. He did alright. Not horrible, definitely not great. Slightly above .500. :man12:
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:41 pm

therealdeal wrote:
borri wrote:
Weezy wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
karacha wrote:BTW, what is our record with MDA as our coach? With all these injuries, no true system in place, no training camp etc? I bet it's above .500. And after the All-star game, once we were actually able to build something resembling on-court chemistry?

Well we're 44-38.

We started 1-4.

So his record is 43-34.


Actually Bernie coached 4 games so I believe 3 of those wins are his. :man1:


Actually i thinks it's 4. Bernie went 4-1.

So his record is 39-34. Going 20-9 to close the season.


It's actually 39-32 under D'Antoni

1-4 under Clown
4-1 under Bernie

5-5 record

MDA took over during the Nets game
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby therealdeal on Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:59 pm

So **** me, I still can't get it right! :man10:
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby karacha on Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:17 pm

Brown had a horrific record, especially when you count those preseason games. Absolutely horrible. By that standard, MDA did exceptionally well. :man10:

But let's not push it here.
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby Vasashi17 on Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:45 pm

I wanted to stay tight lipped, but my hate for MDA runs deep... :man10:

Brown had some tremendous hurdles to climb himself. The lockout had him excommunicated from the roster for months. He had an abridged training camp and had to deal with distractions like the nixed CP3 deal and a disgruntled Pau and Kobe (who was stunned that we traded LO for nothing...along with having the league nix a deal that would have brought in his close friend in CP3). Kobe also was lost for 8 games (which is 1/8 of the shortened season) and it led to a 4-4 record. Drew didn't suit up for 6 games and we went 3-3. Oh and Metta...dude was a bit out of shape as well.

Yet with all that....we were 16 games above .500.

My hate runs deep, but then what does that say about some of you guys and your hate for Brown?

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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby karacha on Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:48 pm

Phil >>>>>>>>>>> MDA > Brown. There.
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby Vasashi17 on Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:50 pm

Phil>>>>>>>>>>>>Brown>=MDA. That right there, works for me.
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby karacha on Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:53 pm

Eh... I don't know. If you put Brown=MDA, maybe we can agree on a compromise.
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby Vasashi17 on Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:11 pm

:man9: Alright cool!

I know I've been harping on MDA for some time now...but I just think that if a coach is known for an offense that ups the tempo to increase possessions and everything is just go go go....its only happen stance that he will show the same mentality towards his players. If they're ready to suit up...go go go. What? They're coming of an injury...well the doc gave them clearance so go go go.

I just didn't like our approach. No matter what injuries could have been avoided or how much time was given in training camp, this man gave me no confidence in how champions should approach the game. When the Vino was left out too long and finally went bad, that's when I finally had it with this guy.
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Re: How Many Wins in 2012-13 if Training Camp+No Injuries?

Postby earvinfr on Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:38 pm

Pau wasn't the same player earlier this season. And if don't have so many player injured, Clark don't get any minutes to play. I think MB did a very bad work at building team chemistry in the offseason. With that roster it's not possible to end 0-8 in pre-season games. We won more games after the AS break because team chemistry was better, not because we're healthier. I think we're one of the worst team in the TO category.
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