KG interested in the Lakers?

KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Tue May 14, 2013 10:37 am

Too little too late? Apparently KG's future with Boston is tied with how Pierce's handled there. BOS doesn't want to pick up the last year on Pierce's contract & want to either trade him or buy him out so Pierce is probably gone...but KG is willing to trade his no trade clause for either the Clippers or Lakers.

If anything we learned from 2004 and 2013 was no more old guys experiment but KG is a very intriguing name

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/14/report-people-close-to-paul-pierce-think-celtics-dont-bring-him-back/

The video above from Sunday on Comcast Sportsnet New England, it is CSNNE’s Boston Celtics sideline reporter Greg Dickerson debating what a lot of Celtics fans are debating right now: Tear it down now or bring Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and the rest of the band back for one more year. The Celtics have until June 30 to buy out Pierce’s $15 million contract for next season for $5 million, that will be the first domino.

During the interview Dickerson said something interesting: The people around Pierce — and likely Pierce himself — don’t expect to be back.

… I know that the company that Paul Pierce hangs around in, they do not believe – and I don’t think Paul Pierce believes – that he is going to be brought back next year at $15 million. I know for a fact that people around Paul Pierce have pretty much resigned themselves to the fact that he’s played his final game in a Boston Celtics uniform. Again, Paul wants to stay – obviously for $15 million — but he wants to finish his career in a Celtics uniform…. Probably a buyout (rather than a trade)…

“(Garnett) doesn’t want to be around for a rebuilding phase for another year. If Paul’s gone, I think without a doubt Kevin Garnett is gone, either by retirement or he finally decides to waive his no-trade clause, and the Celtics maybe work something out with a Clippers team. But the list is real short. The teams that Kevin Garnett would go to, there might be two of them on it, and they both might be the Clippers and Lakers.”



on non Laker note I think Boston does buy out Pierce and he probably joins the Clippers
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby Doc Brown on Tue May 14, 2013 10:41 am

Send Pau there with Nash for Pierce and Garnett.

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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Tue May 14, 2013 10:43 am

As the saying goes, put the Lakers on it, and they will come.
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 10:43 am

I could see it happening.

The Celtics want to blow it up right? Well blow it up in a big fashion: a deal centering around Garnett/Gasol.

We trade away our deadweight contract/big man and bring in a competitor that Kobe respects and that would help FORCE our team to be a better defensive team. See if you can convince the Celtics to let go of Rondo too and we'll give them any assets they want that we can afford, but don't push your luck there.

I'd pull that trade in an instant. F***, I might take both of them if Pierce is willing to have a more limited role.
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby Amoray on Tue May 14, 2013 10:46 am

Doc Brown wrote:Send Pau there with Nash for Pierce and Garnett.

Oldies for oldies.


At breakeven for both parties!!!
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 10:48 am

Or how about-

Garnett/Pierce/Bradley for Gasol/Hill/Duhon.

Gasol and Duhon mean a lot of money coming off the books. Hill is a decent piece for them if they want him. We get two oldies, but guys we know can perform and a young buck guard that defend the perimeter. They build around Rondo, we continue trying to win now and still have flexibility in a couple years.

Nash/Bradley
Bryant/Meeks?
Pierce/Wright
Garnett/Clark
Howard/Sacre?

That team would do nicely if they... stayed healthy. :man10:
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby Doc Brown on Tue May 14, 2013 10:53 am

No one takes Hill from us. They can have MWP.
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 11:00 am

Doc Brown wrote:No one takes Hill from us. They can have MWP.

No one wants that guy :man10:

I'm trying to be slightly reasonable here. The rest of the article that Rock didn't post points out some problems:
1. If Boston wants to blow up and rebuild, they need to also get rid of Rondo/Green or one of them. They aren't going to stink badly enough in the East if they've got too many solid pieces. If they blow up Pierce/Garnett they'll have to also think about trading one or both of Green and Rondo.

2. If the above is true, they might as well just try to make another crappy run this season and then try to maybe figure something else out in the draft.

3. To end up in EITHER of the LA locker rooms, there'd have to be a lot of things falling in the right way for those teams. Boston would have to decide to give up next season. They'd have to be willing to either take back a massive expiring (Gasol) or a collection of okay players with maybe some potential (Jordan, Bledsoe, Butler). Garnett would have to be willing to be traded. Those teams in LA would have to be willing to take on an older Garnett who has shown some weakness and some vulnerability to that age.
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Tue May 14, 2013 11:07 am

What if we trade for Pierce instead? Because if we get KG it ruins our 2014 plans a little KG is owed $12 mil and Im not sure he'd retire then

Howard

Stretch 4...um Anthony Tolliver?

Pierce

Kobe

Nash

Bench

Hill, Clark, Morrow, Wright, Blake

not too bad for 2013 and 2014 plans are still safe
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 11:10 am

If we're unhappy with Artest, Pierce isn't going to make that much better. For everything Artest isn't on offense, Pierce isn't on defense and it's that bad. If we take on Pierce, we need Garnett plain and simple.

Garnett wants to retire on top. If he comes here and we do what we should: win a championship behind two great defenders inside then he'd retire immediately. He just doesn't want to waste his time on a crappy team. Hell he might retire THIS summer.
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Tue May 14, 2013 11:13 am

I dont want KG if it screws up 2014 plans its that simple. He isnt gonna make us a title contender next year
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby gcclaker on Tue May 14, 2013 11:16 am

The Clippers make more sense since they already have tried to pry Garnett this past season. The Lakers are mentioned as window dressing nothing more imho. Then again, stranger things can happen.
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby Rooscooter on Tue May 14, 2013 11:20 am

Why isn't this merged with the epic KG thread?...... :man1:

It would pass the time to read a lot of the posts in there again....... :man10:
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 11:26 am

gcclaker wrote:The Clippers make more sense since they already have tried to pry Garnett this past season. The Lakers are mentioned as window dressing nothing more imho. Then again, stranger things can happen.

I'm not so sure it's totally empty speculation from the real LA's perspective. It all depends on how hard Boston is really willing to fall for that lottery pick. How convinced they are of Rondo's ability to be built around. How much they value other pieces.

For instance: are they willing to take on what is clearly a toxic contract for Jordan? Are the Clippers willing to part ways with Blake Griffin? How good does the world think Bledsoe can be?

If they're trying to cave for a pick and rebuild, they can't be taking back guys that'll keep them in mediocrity. A team of Rondo/Griffin/Jordan for example is likely to be a 6-7-8 seed in the East still. A team of Rondo/Gasol or Green/Gasol isn't likely to do much.

If I were Boston, I'd take that stupid Gasol deal and send LA some pieces along with Garnett. They get a decent piece back with Bird Rights that they might be able to retain after a season. They aren't likely to be very good that year with Gasol compared to Griffin. I avoid taking on that horrible Jordan contract. Maybe then I see what I can get for Green or for Rondo and really go into full cave mode. I'm sure a bad team would give up draft picks for Rondo. Maybe even Green.

Although this is just one article and I haven't heard mention of this anywhere else, so you could very well be right.
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Tue May 14, 2013 11:31 am

KGs 2014/2015 is partially guaranteed but its $6 mil. No thanks

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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 11:32 am

The Rock wrote:KGs 2014/2015 is partially guaranteed but its $6 mil. No thanks

http://redsarmy.com/2013/05/07/what-do-we-do-with-kevin-garnett/

So on the off chance that he's not willing to retire, we can buy him out for 6 million dollars? Awesome. Yes, please.
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby Doc Brown on Tue May 14, 2013 11:35 am

That goes on our salary cap still though IIRC.
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Tue May 14, 2013 11:46 am

Yea 2014 KG situation similar to 2013 PIerce's when they're on final year of contract teams can pay them a partial salary to get them off the team but it still counts against the Cap

http://www.sbnation.com/authors/paul-flannery/rss

The Celtics can buy out the final year of Pierce’s contract worth $15 million for $5 million by June 30. That $5 million figure would count against the cap. They could use the amnesty clause on him, which would clear some more cap money, but they would then owe him the full $15 million in real dollars and any team could sign him or claim him on waivers.
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby Rooscooter on Tue May 14, 2013 11:49 am

More fossils?..... no thanks. Hanging on for the off chance that past glory strikes again between trips to the training table isn't what we need. Starting to look like the VFW of the NBA as it is....
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Tue May 14, 2013 11:50 am

According to someone on LG Nash's 2014/2015 is only partially guaranteed...its $9 mil if we choose to keep him, $3 mil if we choose to let him go
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby Juronimo on Tue May 14, 2013 12:02 pm

Kwame + Odom + Bynum for KG?

Oh wait this isn't 2007. I don't want that green scum on this team, nor his wheelchair riding boyfriend. No thanks.
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby Chillbongo on Tue May 14, 2013 12:02 pm

We need to get young, remember?

The only way we deal for either of those two, is if Avery Bradley, Jeff Green, Or Rajon Rando are part of the deal. Possible, but I think the Clippers could end up keeping Bledsoe now. I think the best deal the Clippers WOULD offer is

LAC out: Butler/Turiaf (re-signed)
BOS out: Garnett/Sullinger

Would BOS want to give us one of their coveted guards?
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby karacha on Tue May 14, 2013 12:06 pm

Here's what I think: our primary needs are young, athletic players. The old Celtics don't fit that description. While PP is still a potent offensive player, very experienced and crafty -- at this point he is another MWP, but on the opposite end of the floor. He can't move well anymore and younger teams are going to exploit this over and over again. I do have respect for Pierce the Player but... he's not what we need.

KG is a douchebag. But, I would still like to have him on this team, to play with Dwight and anchor that defense. He's not what he used to be, obviously, but he is still pretty mobile, likes shooting that mid-range jumper (which fits well with Dwight's game), shoots it at around 50% clip and has that defensive attitude that we actually need. Dwight could learn few things from him, namely how to convince your guys to give maximum effort. KG would probably only stay with us briefly to try to win the championship, so I'd seriously think about getting him, if he wants to come. BTW, the guy can still rebound. In any case, getting him would not make us worse then having Pau. And in some ways we'd improve. Is that worth it?

We have Pau, Nash, Duhon... perhaps Mitch can figure it out, I don't know.

If there was some way to get Rondo, I'd pull the trigger on pretty much any deal, seriously. We need a player like that. Yes, he can't shoot well, but rebounds and play D like a madman. He can penetrate the D too.
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby Weezy on Tue May 14, 2013 12:06 pm

Do not want. We don't need to get even older and more broken down. And it doesn't help my opinion that he's one of my most disliked players in the NBA, if Pierce came with him it would be my 2 most disliked players in one deal. No more former stars at the end of their career bs, let him join the Clippers.
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Re: KG interested in the Lakers?

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue May 14, 2013 12:10 pm

Chillbongo wrote:We need to get young, remember?

The only way we deal for either of those two, is if Avery Bradley, Jeff Green, Or Rajon Rando are part of the deal. Possible, but I think the Clippers could end up keeping Bledsoe now. I think the best deal the Clippers WOULD offer is

LAC out: Butler/Turiaf (re-signed)
BOS out: Garnett/Sullinger

Would BOS want to give us one of their coveted guards?


I agree with this. I wouldn't take back KG unless it included the players you listed. Rajon is coming off a very serious injury, though. Green's contract is a challenge to deal with as well. I'd would be more resigned to taking Bradley if we had the chance. Guard the PG/SG's, athletic, improving shooter, etc. He can be a valuable piece moving forward.
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