Jeanie and Jim on Power-Sharing, PJ and Filling Dad's Shoes

Jeanie and Jim on Power-Sharing, PJ and Filling Dad's Shoes

Postby Kobe8Fan on Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:18 pm

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11:00 AM PDT 8/14/2013 by Ric Bucher

A pair of reading glasses sits atop the dresser in Jeanie Buss' bedroom. There's nothing remarkable about the frameless specs except for one detail: They sat on the nose of her father, Dr. Jerry Buss, whose smiling face forever will be identified with the Los Angeles Lakers, the NBA franchise he owned for 34 years until his death in February at age 80. Under Dr. Buss, the Lakers' purple-and-gold colors became so synonymous with both winning and entertainment that it's hard to decide who resides in whose shadow, the team or the star-glutted city it calls home. "I wanted to keep something that was as close to him as possible," says Jeanie of her dad's glasses, discussing him publicly for the first time since his death from kidney failure after a battle with prostate cancer. "And they help me remember how he saw the world."

The challenge facing Jeanie, 51, and her 53-year-old brother Jim -- along with four other Buss siblings who share a 66 percent controlling interest in the Lakers -- is not merely to see the world as their father did but to act on that vision with equal success. The Busses have inherited a team at a crossroads. The Lakers are the NBA's most successful franchise of the past 30-plus years -- winner of 10 championships since 1980, valued by Forbes at $1 billion, with a local TV deal worth $3.6 billion over 20 years -- but it is an organization whose allure has been defined by a peculiar mix of success on the court and Hollywood flash among its fan base. Dr. Buss understood both sides of that coin. Now, after a lackluster season in which the Lakers exited the playoffs in the first round, longtime star Kobe Bryant, 34, ruptured his Achilles tendon and center Dwight Howard opted to depart after one season, it remains to be seen whether this Buss generation can keep Tobey Maguire, Ari Emanuel and Jack Nicholson dropping $100,000 apiece for courtside season tickets. "The shoes they're stepping into are so huge and epic," says Bryant. "It's on the next generation in line to figure out what their leadership style is going to be and to do it their own way."

Complicating matters, the basketball world Dr. Buss conquered is not the same one his kids are attempting to navigate. Most notably, a salary cap prevents the big-market Lakers from far outspending small-market rivals. "Things have changed," says Pat Riley, coach of the Showtime Lakers teams of the 1980s and now president of two-time champion Miami Heat. "It's nowhere near the innocent, wonderful years of the '80s, when we all got on the train and Dr. Buss was the conductor."

Jerry Buss was a chemist-turned-self-made real estate mogul when, in 1979, he bought the Lakers, the NHL's L.A. Kings, the Forum and a 13,000-acre ranch from Jack Kent Cooke for $67.5 million. Defying his advisers, Dr. Buss was among the first NBA owners to televise home games, believing it wouldn't keep fans from buying tickets. His flamboyant personal life informed how he ran his team: Decked out in jeans and open-collared shirts and arriving at games with several beauties on his arm, the divorced Dr. Buss was a pioneer in offering premium seats along the court where luminaries could see and be seen. He built an exclusive club inside the Forum (and, later, Staples Center) for Hollywood bigwigs, and he paid and presented his players as stars as important as the actors sitting courtside. Bryant says he considered leaving the Lakers twice -- as a free agent in 2004 and again via trade in 2007 -- and both times Dr. Buss talked him out of it. "You can tell by how someone runs their business if they're full of [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] or not," says Bryant. "He could tell you exactly what he had in mind and how he planned to get it done. And he had a track record."

As he was building the Lakers dynasty, Dr. Buss also was preparing his two budding proteges for life in the family business. Jeanie was 19 and a USC undergrad when her father made her GM of his pro tennis team, the Strings. She would serve as president of the Forum before becoming the Lakers' vp business operations in 1999. A year earlier, Jim had become an assistant GM with the team and has been involved in some capacity since then.

In many ways, the siblings represent opposing sides of their father's personality -- and the conflict is evident in how the team is run. Jeanie leads the business operation and now is the Lakers' representative on the league's board of governors. That means the NBA views her as being at the helm. Although she retains her vivaciousness (she once posed for Playboy and now is engaged to former coach Phil Jackson), she can be found during business hours in the office once used by her father overlooking the team's practice court in El Segundo, Calif. Talk to an NBA executive about Jeanie, and he or she likely will rave about her business savvy and attention to detail.

Jim, conversely, prefers to handle his duties as executive vp player personnel from home. While Jeanie typically wears tailored suits, Jim has adopted his father's style, with jeans and a black baseball cap his trademarks. Ask someone in the NBA about Jim, and he or she probably will say they don't really know him. But the media and fans see Jim as being in charge of the team -- the only part of the Lakers organization that matters to them.

"My brother ultimately makes the [basketball] decisions," says Jeanie. "I defer and will continue to defer because that's what my dad believed would be successful." Deferring, though, clearly is different from agreeing, and while Jeanie is supportive of her brother, she barely hides her frustration at not being included in major team moves. "I would be more comfortable if I understood what the decision process was, and I'm not always involved in it," she says. "To be held accountable by the league and not have a seat at the table when decisions are made is hard."

Jim concedes that Jeanie is not consulted on basketball decisions but denies he wields unilateral authority. He insists the Lakers are a democracy that includes GM Mitch Kupchak, to whom Jim says he often defers. "I don't run the franchise," he says. "We run it as a family. I'm just a figurehead. I like it collective. Now I might have to put my name on a [decision], but I can't have the ego to make those calls alone."

Jim nonetheless is credited -- some say blamed -- with orchestrating events last season that contributed to the team's poor performance. Head coach Mike Brown was replaced five games into the season with current coach Mike D'Antoni instead of Jackson, who presided over the Lakers' past five titles. As Dr. Buss lay dying at Cedars-Sinai, D'Antoni and Jackson were approached about the job. Jackson thought he was being given time to mull his interest when he received a call from Kupchak saying D'Antoni had been hired.

"The Lakers went into that week prepared to offer the job to Phil," says one source. "Dr. Buss may have rubber-stamped [the D'Antoni hiring], but he clearly wasn't at the helm. If he had been healthy and involved, that never would've happened."

It would have been Jackson's third stint with the Lakers. During his first, he molded Bryant and center Shaquille O'Neal into one of the most dynamic inside-outside combinations in NBA history, resulting in three straight championships from 2000 to 2002. The Lakers were upset by the Detroit Pistons in the 2004 NBA Finals, though, and Jim for the first time appeared to be ascending within the management team's hierarchy. With Bryant and Jackson at odds and Bryant a free agent, the Lakers dismissed Jackson. Jim was credited with orchestrating the hiring of Rudy Tomjanovich as coach as well as selecting center Andrew Bynum in the 2005 draft.

The Tomjanovich hire proved disastrous. The coach signed a five-year, $30 million deal but bowed out midway through the first season. That left assistant coach Frank Hamblen to mop up a 34-48 season, the only one of the past 19 in which the Lakers missed the playoffs. With Bryant signed to a new seven-year, $136 million contract and perhaps more appreciative of Jackson, the coach returned for the 2005-06 season for a six-year run and two more championships. Jim, meanwhile, receded into the background.

With Dr. Buss' health failing and Jackson announcing his retirement after the 2010-11 season, Jim returned to prominence and hired Brown, a much younger coach.

As the Lakers rushed to hire Jackson's successor, the rest of the organization was thinned out as NBA owners locked out players while negotiating a new collective bargaining agreement. Nearly two dozen employees with a combined 100 years of experience working for the franchise were shown the door, including assistant GM Ronnie Lester after a 24-year run, members of the training staff and nearly the entire scouting department.

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The Brown era was viewed akin to Tomjanovich's -- another misstep by Jim. The hiring of D'Antoni over Jackson, despite the Staples Center crowd chanting, "We Want Phil!" and Magic Johnson outright stumping for him in his role as an ESPN NBA analyst, was portrayed as Jim refusing to concede.

Jim denies that perception is reality. "I have zero problem with Phil, and Phil has zero problem with me," he says. And while Jim and Kupchak interviewed both D'Antoni and Jackson, Jim says the final decision was made by Dr. Buss. "Mitch and I interviewed Phil together and then reported back to my dad at the hospital for hours upon hours," he says. "He gave the final hammer; we just enforced it."

Jackson couldn't be reached for comment, but he told the Los Angeles Daily News in June that his relationship with Jim is "casual." The consensus is that Jackson has never taken Jim seriously. Jeanie's take on the rapport between her fiance and her brother: "Phil has a great relationship with Mitch."

The L.A. sports media sometimes portrays Jim as a slacker who inherited his father's tastes but not his business savvy, but he says those characterizations are outdated. "That playboy image is from 30 years ago, when Dad was out and I was hanging with him," says Jim, who lives with his ex-wife Tish and helps raise her two teen daughters. "As far as socializing, I hate to bore people, but I'm a stay-at-home guy. That's where I like to work. Have someone find out the last time I went to a club; the owners are probably all dead."

Still, while Dr. Buss often would attend predraft workouts and study the action (albeit with young women at his side), Jim, says one assistant GM, once was spotted streaming a horse race on his computer while scouting. Jim also once told Sports Illustrated that "if you grabbed 10 fans out of a bar," they could assess NBA talent as well as pro scouts do.

But one league executive who has worked with the Lakers says Jim is underestimated. "Jim is an easy target," he says. "But he's smart, no question about it. He's smarter than Jeanie."

For all of their efforts to present a unified front, it seems awkward that Jeanie remains close with several of Jim's harshest critics. There's Jackson, of course, who shares with Jeanie his house in Playa del Rey and his ranch in Montana. Jackson has been fired, rehired then retired from the Lakers since they began dating in 2000, so there never has been a question about the relationship influencing Jackson's standing. But that might be because everyone knew Dr. Buss never would allow it.

Magic Johnson, as close to a deity among Lakers fans as there is, also has criticized Jim's leadership. "I don't believe in Jim Buss," said Johnson on national TV after Jackson was passed over for D'Antoni. Jim says those words hurt him and his dad and affected Dr. Buss' feelings about Johnson, who sold his interest in the Lakers in 2010 to join the group that now owns the Dodgers. Jeanie, on the other hand, says of Johnson: "Whenever I've needed his help, he's always been there for me. I couldn't be closer to him." (Johnson couldn't be reached for comment.)

If all this makes Lakers fans uneasy, it should. "The one thing we had when I was there was one singular voice," says Riley. "We had Dr. Buss, [GM] Jerry West and Pat Riley parroting the same thing. When you have three men on the same page talking to Kareem or Magic Johnson, that's powerful. The single voice is so important."

Dwight Howard made that painfully clear this summer: The free-agent center actually bought his way out of Lakerland. League rules intended to coax free agents to re-up with their existing teams allowed the Lakers to offer him a five-year, $118 million deal; any other team could offer a maximum of four years and $88 million. Howard left $30 million on the table to go to the Houston Rockets.

Even with his departure, the Lakers have the fifth-fattest player payroll ($75.6 million) for this season. That includes more than $30 million owed Bryant, who is in limbo after his injury. In short, the Lakers are not close enough to the 2014 championship trophy to see it with binoculars, much less reading glasses. The good news is that the team only has $11 million committed to player salaries for the 2014-15 season, making it a big-time player in next year's free-agent market, which could include LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony.

But the Lakers need to acquire more than salary-cap room if they want to be in play for the league's biggest superstars. "They're living on the History channel," says one free agent, meaning the team remains convinced that the attraction of playing for the Lakers in L.A. is enough. As one NBA agent notes: "The Lakers were built for a different era. Their personnel has been depleted and [research] infrastructure is outdated. It's important to be in a major market, but not as important anymore. And they were always able to spend more than other teams. Now they can't." A longtime opposing assistant coach adds that free agents feel the Lakers' track record is impressive but the team is not on the cutting edge when it comes to marketing, physical therapy or analytics. The sense is that institutional arrogance has caused a slow but evident decay. "It hurts to hear that," says Jeanie, without contesting it.

And the idea that the present-day Lakers will ever again enjoy seven trips to the Finals during a stretch of eight seasons, as they did in the '80s, is hard to fathom for various reasons. Start with the fact that the NBA is set against it.

"The changes in the collective bargaining agreement and revenue-sharing have made it more difficult for any team to stand out, at the will of the owners," says NBA commissioner David Stern. "It's a changed and difficult atmosphere." That Dr. Buss was ill during the latest talks probably contributed to a deal that hurts big-market teams. "Because of his illness, his voice and leadership weren't as aggressive as in the past," says Tim Leiweke, who worked with Dr. Buss when Leiweke was president and CEO of Staples Center owner Anschutz Entertainment Group. "He wasn't there to fight for their view of the world, and this new deal is tougher on them than anybody other than maybe New York."

Working within this new framework, Jim still has had his successes. He helped orchestrate the deal that landed Howard from Orlando, and he dealt his prize draft pick, Bynum, to Philadelphia right before knee issues cost him the entire 2012-13 season. Prognosticators touted the team he built last season as the favorite to reach the Finals before injuries to Howard, Steve Nash, Pau Gasol and Bryant left them struggling to make the playoffs. He also has a chance to rebuild the team after next season.

Jim insists he's just following his father's blueprint, but the Howard situation suggests he missed a page. Instead of Jim spending time with Howard, the team launched a widely derided media campaign that implored "Stay" on billboards. After Howard bolted, Jim turned on his former star, saying he wasn't surprised or dismayed. "He was never really a Laker," says Jim. "He was just passing through."

Those close to Howard say the Lakers could have persuaded him to stay. Even Jeanie believes that if her father had not been sick, he would have sealed the deal like so many before it. "It's disappointing that Dwight isn't here," she says. "I feel like we failed him."

Jeanie and Jim say selling the Lakers is not an option, though the list of suitors is long and rumored to include Lakers minority owners Patrick Soon-Shiong and AEG as well as Dodgers owner Guggenheim Partners (parent of The Hollywood Reporter). Instead, they must settle on a figurehead who will guide the team as their father did. It won't be easy.

"Each great organization in the NBA has a great personality that defines them," says Leiweke, now president of the Toronto Raptors' owner, ticking off Riley in Miami, GM Sam Presti in Oklahoma City and coach Gregg Popovich and GM R.C. Buford in San Antonio.

And who could that be for the Lakers? Riley is not interested. Neither is West. Jim Buss has made it clear he's fine with Jackson being on the payroll if Jeanie chooses, but he sees his role as a consultant and nothing more.

"Therein lies the great challenge for the Lakers," says Leiweke. "Can they redefine that organization now? The greatness of a franchise is attributed back to great leadership. That person was Doc Buss. Always."


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Postby therealdeal on Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:44 pm

Jeanie and Jim say selling the Lakers is not an option, though the list of suitors is long and rumored to include Lakers minority owners Patrick Soon-Shiong and AEG as well as Dodgers owner Guggenheim Partners (parent of The Hollywood Reporter). Instead, they must settle on a figurehead who will guide the team as their father did. It won't be easy.


Guggenheim would love if the Buss family sold the team.
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Postby The Rock on Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:48 pm

BINGO. We are where we are mainly because of this. Times have changed. Its a players league and we need to construct a roster that is appealing to them. History doesnt' mean as much as fields are now level, we dont have much of a competitive advantage
But the Lakers need to acquire more than salary-cap room if they want to be in play for the league's biggest superstars. "They're living on the History channel," says one free agent, meaning the team remains convinced that the attraction of playing for the Lakers in L.A. is enough. As one NBA agent notes: "The Lakers were built for a different era. Their personnel has been depleted and [research] infrastructure is outdated. It's important to be in a major market, but not as important anymore. And they were always able to spend more than other teams. Now they can't." A longtime opposing assistant coach adds that free agents feel the Lakers' track record is impressive but the team is not on the cutting edge when it comes to marketing, physical therapy or analytics. The sense is that institutional arrogance has caused a slow but evident decay. "It hurts to hear that," says Jeanie, without contesting it.

And the idea that the present-day Lakers will ever again enjoy seven trips to the Finals during a stretch of eight seasons, as they did in the '80s, is hard to fathom for various reasons. Start with the fact that the NBA is set against it.

"The changes in the collective bargaining agreement and revenue-sharing have made it more difficult for any team to stand out, at the will of the owners," says NBA commissioner David Stern. "It's a changed and difficult atmosphere."


This was a fantastic read. I see that Jeanie is more vocal now...last week she goes on radio now she voices some displeasure of not being included in decision making and has a good relationship with Magic unlike Jim...and hoping Lakers using more analytics. Very interesting. I wonder if shes gonna challenge her brother's authority now when it comes to personnel decisions

I wouldn't mind if the Guggenehim group buys the lakers too but we need some basketball people in there...Ronnie Lester, Mitch Kupchak those types. Let the basketball management people do their jobs
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Postby bigdog2013 on Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:13 pm

you guys realize this was written by ric bucher on hollywood reporter? Its a gossip magazine.

jeannie and jimmy just have to work together and the lakers will be fine.
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Postby lotus on Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:18 pm

bigdog2013 wrote:you guys realize this was written by ric bucher on hollywood reporter? Its a gossip magazine.

jeannie and jimmy just have to work together and the lakers will be fine.

That article is consistent with the stories that have come out over the years even back to the Rudy T hiring.

It confirms my feeling that the Buss kids should sell their interest, go their separate ways, and have a great life pursuing their own interests.

Meanwhile, this public treasure that is the Lakers needs to be under competent, unified leadership. I'm tired of hearing this family soap opera play out in public. It just reveals their weaknesses and the wolves are watching and waiting.
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Postby LTLakerFan on Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:08 am

Whoa!!! :lg2k3: That is a beautiful pic with those trophies :jam2: :jam2: :jam2:

That also is a long article and I am still riding the buzz from Showtime at the Ravine tonight with another amazing win in a season full of them. Will have to check it out in the morning.
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:27 am

I still don't believe the new CBA will last. Yes, it's kept the Lakers down, but it also destroyed the Thunder and the Grizz. Watch it destroy the Pacers in a few years.

It's too restrictive, and the league will probably opt to change it when the opportunity arises in a couple of years. Hopefully, the Lakers representative in the next CBA negotiation will not be Jimmy.
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Postby MusixFinest on Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:32 am

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Postby MusixFinest on Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:32 am

The Rock wrote:This was a fantastic read. I see that Jeanie is more vocal now...last week she goes on radio now she voices some displeasure of not being included in decision making and has a good relationship with Magic unlike Jim...and hoping Lakers using more analytics. Very interesting. I wonder if shes gonna challenge her brother's authority now when it comes to personnel decisions

I wouldn't mind if the Guggenehim group buys the lakers too but we need some basketball people in there...Ronnie Lester, Mitch Kupchak those types. Let the basketball management people do their jobs


Do you not recall that Jimbo is an analytics guy?? You have to be to have been a horse trainer. I would venture to guess that the Lakers cleaning house a couple of years ago, i.e. letting go of Ronnie Lester, may have been a decision to change the direction in which the team scouted players. In fact, the article points out that the Lakers are in catch-up mode, after years of resting on their laurels. I think it's still too early to second guess Dr. Buss' decision of divvying up the responsibilities of running this franchise (Jim-basketball, Jeanie-business). In fact, I believe his decision to be quite visionary. Who knew that analytics would eventually play such a role in today's game and that he would choose the only child out of the group with an analytics background to succeed him??
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Postby khmrP on Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:59 am

MusixFinest wrote:
The Rock wrote:This was a fantastic read. I see that Jeanie is more vocal now...last week she goes on radio now she voices some displeasure of not being included in decision making and has a good relationship with Magic unlike Jim...and hoping Lakers using more analytics. Very interesting. I wonder if shes gonna challenge her brother's authority now when it comes to personnel decisions

I wouldn't mind if the Guggenehim group buys the lakers too but we need some basketball people in there...Ronnie Lester, Mitch Kupchak those types. Let the basketball management people do their jobs


Do you not recall that Jimbo is an analytics guy?? You have to be to have been a horse trainer. I would venture to guess that the Lakers cleaning house a couple of years ago, i.e. letting go of Ronnie Lester, may have been a decision to change the direction in which the team scouted players. In fact, the article points out that the Lakers are in catch-up mode, after years of resting on their laurels. I think it's still too early to second guess Dr. Buss' decision of divvying up the responsibilities of running this franchise (Jim-basketball, Jeanie-business). In fact, I believe his decision to be quite visionary. Who knew that analytics would eventually play such a role in today's game and that he would choose the only child out of the group with an analytics background to succeed him??

Jimbo failed at his horse training adventure so I wouldn't try to use that as a validation for his "anlaystic" abilities.
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Postby jlkr on Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:56 pm

Good article. Especially the part about the team infrastructure not keeping up with the times.

- scouting new players (San Antonio has to be the gold standard here)
- vision (SA again, how the heck did they make it back to the Finals?)
- player development (seems like the Lakers don't do very well at this or maybe that is a function of who they are picking or trading for as opposed to SA and others)
- medical care (Phoenix Suns: they've done very well over there, best place for old players)
- analytics (weren't the Lakers the only team that didn't show up at the last sports analytics conference?)
- scouting opponents (took half a season for the Lakers to figure things out last year)

Does not help that baseball cap boy has not shown he can pick coaches... Rudy T and Mike Brown were disasters. Adelman was the best coach for Gasol and Bynum, that guys knows coaching post players who can pass. Plus he had Kobe's respect and approval. But no, cap boy gets a hard on for potato head, runs roughshod over Mitch and Daddy, and doesn't bother consulting Kobe. MDA wasn't looking a whole lot better, but let's see what he can do with this team and a full training camp and at least one assistant (Rambis) who can coach defense.

I'm willing to give the Buss siblings the benefit of the doubt for now ... but improvement needs to be seen in all these areas. And soon. The 2014 & 2015 FA markets are calling...
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Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:38 pm

The Rock wrote:BINGO. We are where we are mainly because of this. Times have changed. Its a players league and we need to construct a roster that is appealing to them. History doesnt' mean as much as fields are now level, we dont have much of a competitive advantage
But the Lakers need to acquire more than salary-cap room if they want to be in play for the league's biggest superstars. "They're living on the History channel," says one free agent, meaning the team remains convinced that the attraction of playing for the Lakers in L.A. is enough. As one NBA agent notes: "The Lakers were built for a different era. Their personnel has been depleted and [research] infrastructure is outdated. It's important to be in a major market, but not as important anymore. And they were always able to spend more than other teams. Now they can't." A longtime opposing assistant coach adds that free agents feel the Lakers' track record is impressive but the team is not on the cutting edge when it comes to marketing, physical therapy or analytics. The sense is that institutional arrogance has caused a slow but evident decay. "It hurts to hear that," says Jeanie, without contesting it.

And the idea that the present-day Lakers will ever again enjoy seven trips to the Finals during a stretch of eight seasons, as they did in the '80s, is hard to fathom for various reasons. Start with the fact that the NBA is set against it.

"The changes in the collective bargaining agreement and revenue-sharing have made it more difficult for any team to stand out, at the will of the owners," says NBA commissioner David Stern. "It's a changed and difficult atmosphere."


This was a fantastic read. I see that Jeanie is more vocal now...last week she goes on radio now she voices some displeasure of not being included in decision making and has a good relationship with Magic unlike Jim...and hoping Lakers using more analytics. Very interesting. I wonder if shes gonna challenge her brother's authority now when it comes to personnel decisions

I wouldn't mind if the Guggenehim group buys the lakers too but we need some basketball people in there...Ronnie Lester, Mitch Kupchak those types. Let the basketball management people do their jobs


I'm sorry, history channel? So winning back to back rings a couple years ago and few mediocre seasons means where outdated? Please, that free agent (who also remained unnamed) is a straight hater who didn't COULDN'T get signed by the Lakers

Funny how the league constantly thinks we just go out and buy players for whatever price we want. sure, the lakers are more equipped to handle the financial burden, but they were done using the rules of the CBA and through the agreement of other team managers.

next year, the lakers will reload again, perhaps more in tune with the CBA, but the lakers FO is not dumb. there is a reason why we have 2014 open. there is a reason why we only signed one year deals.
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Postby Johnnyboy on Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:52 pm

This is just an example of when the mighty fall a little and everyone tries to kick them while they are down. The Lakers will be back. I'm not a Jim Buss fan, but I'm sure he has been humbled with what has occurred the last 2 seasons. HIS decisions have cost the Lakers. He will be wiser at the next "rodeo" They will be fine.
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Postby jlkr on Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:30 pm

Johnnyboy wrote:This is just an example of when the mighty fall a little and everyone tries to kick them while they are down. The Lakers will be back. I'm not a Jim Buss fan, but I'm sure he has been humbled with what has occurred the last 2 seasons. HIS decisions have cost the Lakers. He will be wiser at the next "rodeo" They will be fine.

Given how little he learned from his coaching hires, I'm not optimistic about 'wiser at the next "rodeo"'. But we're stuck with him.
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Postby bigdog2013 on Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:34 pm

I think its a conflict of interest for the owner daughter to be banging the head coach. Maybe thats why Jimmy never got along with philjax.
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Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:02 pm

^^^That "banging" led to a ring...good for Jeanie, but what's more of an interest to us as fans is not letting ego get in the way of #17.

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Players...check
Pay for the "stay"...check
Identity...see coach
Coach...pause!

Dude has stated that PJax has made him feel inferior....now if you have one of the most richest franchises in the world, I'm hoping the owner of that organization would have some confidence. I'm sure that lack of confidence is what led to a prized free agent, taking less to go else where....which has NEVER happened before. Yikes!
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Re: Jeanie and Jim on Power-Sharing, PJ and Filling Dad's Shoes

Postby Weezy on Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:15 pm

I don't know if it's because Jeanie is more out in the public eye and people know her and like her better, or if ESPN just doesn't like Jim Buss, or they're just being ESPN and going with what is popularly reported, but they sure like to bash Jim. Today for example on PTI, Wilbon said multiple times that it pains him to agree with Jim (about Dwight 'never really being a Laker') and that Jeanie should be running things not Jim. He really doesn't like the guy, but it doesn't seem he knows him, so maybe he's just going off what Magic has told him. Either way, Jeanie says she wants more say in basketball decisions, most Laker fans and LA media say they want the same, I don't get why Jerry didn't set it up that way. Unless Jim really is smarter and Jeanie is just more popular and a lot of this is created drama by the media as I said, it's so hard to tell. Still, there's this, "To be held accountable by the league and not have a seat at the table when decisions are made is hard.", this is what makes me agree with her, it doesn't make sense she has no say.
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Re: Jeanie and Jim on Power-Sharing, PJ and Filling Dad's Shoes

Postby The Rock on Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:11 am

By the way I met Jeanie Buss last night...I dont know if its right to jump into conclusions on 1st impressions but SHES SUPER SWEET AND SUPER SUPER NICE. She took pictures with literally 4-5 dozen fans outside the Nokia theatre for 20-30 minutes even though her security was pulling her and urging to go. She looked annoyed as hell but at the same time VERY hesitant to say no to annoying fans taking pictures with her and just walk away. I dont know how much that factored into Dr. Buss' decision to not let her in basketball decision making but I can see why he didnt want her involved when it comes to trades/free agent signings what not. Shes a really really nice lady
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Re: Jeanie and Jim on Power-Sharing, PJ and Filling Dad's Shoes

Postby The Rock on Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:15 am

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The Rock wrote:BINGO. We are where we are mainly because of this. Times have changed. Its a players league and we need to construct a roster that is appealing to them. History doesnt' mean as much as fields are now level, we dont have much of a competitive advantage
But the Lakers need to acquire more than salary-cap room if they want to be in play for the league's biggest superstars. "They're living on the History channel," says one free agent, meaning the team remains convinced that the attraction of playing for the Lakers in L.A. is enough. As one NBA agent notes: "The Lakers were built for a different era. Their personnel has been depleted and [research] infrastructure is outdated. It's important to be in a major market, but not as important anymore. And they were always able to spend more than other teams. Now they can't." A longtime opposing assistant coach adds that free agents feel the Lakers' track record is impressive but the team is not on the cutting edge when it comes to marketing, physical therapy or analytics. The sense is that institutional arrogance has caused a slow but evident decay. "It hurts to hear that," says Jeanie, without contesting it.

And the idea that the present-day Lakers will ever again enjoy seven trips to the Finals during a stretch of eight seasons, as they did in the '80s, is hard to fathom for various reasons. Start with the fact that the NBA is set against it.

"The changes in the collective bargaining agreement and revenue-sharing have made it more difficult for any team to stand out, at the will of the owners," says NBA commissioner David Stern. "It's a changed and difficult atmosphere."


This was a fantastic read. I see that Jeanie is more vocal now...last week she goes on radio now she voices some displeasure of not being included in decision making and has a good relationship with Magic unlike Jim...and hoping Lakers using more analytics. Very interesting. I wonder if shes gonna challenge her brother's authority now when it comes to personnel decisions

I wouldn't mind if the Guggenehim group buys the lakers too but we need some basketball people in there...Ronnie Lester, Mitch Kupchak those types. Let the basketball management people do their jobs


I'm sorry, history channel? So winning back to back rings a couple years ago and few mediocre seasons means where outdated? Please, that free agent (who also remained unnamed) is a straight hater who didn't COULDN'T get signed by the Lakers

Funny how the league constantly thinks we just go out and buy players for whatever price we want. sure, the lakers are more equipped to handle the financial burden, but they were done using the rules of the CBA and through the agreement of other team managers.

next year, the lakers will reload again, perhaps more in tune with the CBA, but the lakers FO is not dumb. there is a reason why we have 2014 open. there is a reason why we only signed one year deals.


Dallas has the ingredients that we do and yet they couldn't pull any marquis free agents...Im just saying we dont want to be where they are.

Dallas has a great owner, a championship coach, cap space, a HOF player still playing and yet they cant pull any superstar to their team 2 years in a row. The times I have changed, Lakers need to adjust accordingly. Easiest path to a championship is by signing superstars...superstars will go to a team that has an appealing roster. If we dont have one, more than likely they wont come
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Re: Jeanie and Jim on Power-Sharing, PJ and Filling Dad's Shoes

Postby Weezy on Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:54 pm

Lazenby goes on his usual rant about this, again, I still don't really know if Jim is that bad, or what this "culture change" always referred to specially means, but I found a lot of this to be interesting anyway. Still, he seems to be obsessed with Phil or be his mouthpiece or something. Then again he does mention Phil screwing with Jim's mind. I like the big about this not being fantasy basketball, that's the one thing about the 2014 plan that has me worried.

@lazenby: Howard was never really a Laker? Just what you want, an exec who talks trash after a player leaves. That's sure to help bring in free agents

@lazenby: Dwight Howard was never really a Laker? Neither was Jim Buss.

@lazenby: I had held out hope Jim+Jeanie Buss might make peace+move things along. That doesn't seem to be happening. You can smell the resentment

@lazenby: Gotta have weight in the a** of your pants to run an NBA team, some real leadership. That's what the Lakers lack, why DHo+Kobe went adrift.

@lazenby: In Lakers history, this will be remembered as the summer of Jim Buss' collossal miscalculation. Sorry. Wish I could spin it some other way.

@lazenby: Never been easy fitting players like Kobe+DHo together. That's what makes @PhilJackson11 so special+the failure to use him so damning to Jim

@lazenby: Whoever thinks it's about demeaning Dwight Howard is just sad.

@lazenby: If you think a Lakers "fresh start" means a departure from the rest of the Jim Buss era, well, you're lost in some strange fantasy.

@lazenby: Jim's immensely stubborn. It's a family tradition. Worked usually for Jerry. Disastrous for Jim. If only he would engage @PhilJackson11

@lazenby: An awful lot of people claim to know DHo's mind. It's all an extension of Jim Buss' sulking mind-set in the wake of DHo's departure. #defeat

@lazenby: The only thing JimBuss has mastered so far are the excuses. It was his father's call. It's DHo's character. The product of defeat

@lazenby: DHo wouldn't have run from @PhilJackson11 That's utter bull****. No players run from Phil. He partners with them. Give the guy his due.

@lazenby: This isn't fantasy basketball. Not just about acquiring players. It's about engaging+shaping them. Otherwise it's a corral full of egos

@lazenby: Who knows? If you engage @PhilJackson11 , D'Antoni might work out just fine. The big issue is getting Phil not to screw with Jim's mind.

@lazenby: I'll admit this, when @PhilJackson11 pisses off a team's employees, they seem to stay pissed. Jim is one of those wary/seething Phil alums.

@lazenby: It'll be interesting to watch what happens when Doc Rivers puts that team on Staples floor this November. Jim will be in hiding then.

@lazenby: I'll give Jim and Mitch their due. They've gotten some players. But Jim has no idea how to keep them. He shouldn't be involved in that.

@lazenby: Even if the Lakers had gotten Chris Paul, there's nothing to suggest he would've re-upped. The culture is broken now. Needs to be rebuilt.

@lazenby: The recent story of the Lakers is a tale told in Jim Buss excuses, from Stern to his father to DHo. Don't buy that junk. Change the culture
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Re: Jeanie and Jim on Power-Sharing, PJ and Filling Dad's Shoes

Postby Lakerjones on Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:18 pm

^^ I get where Lazenby's coming from. You are judged by your track record and so far Jim's has not been so good. As I've mentioned for some time - I've given him credit for some of the personnel moves, but ultimately the coaching hires have been disastrous. His handling of D. Howard, whether you blame D12 or him - ended pretty disastrously too. You threw the most money possible at him but didn't make him feel like it would work out here. Again, the issue isn't whose fault it is but the track record. He failed at keeping a top level FA and now is grasping at straws for plan B which is stuck in fantasy land thinking he's going to get Lebron and Melo both.

Lazenby is right concerning Phil. If they wanted to keep Howard then they should have hired Phil, plain and simple. If they didn't care about retaining Howard then whatever. But regardless hiring D' Antoni was terrible and so was the way they handled it. They bungled it. And if they weren't going to go with Phil they should have at least interviewed another HOF coach in Sloan as well as a younger candidate in McMillan.

I do think their best bet in moving forward with this franchise would be to let Jeannie bring Phil in. I just don't see it happening unless we continue to put forward a mediocre product for the next few years, which might be in the cards. We'll have to see. I do think that if we put up some bad years in a row Time Warner is going to start breathing down the FO's neck for a fix of some kind. And Kobe's going to be PO'd and calling for change as well.

Ultimately I think Jeannie Buss is a lot more like her dad than Jim is. She's a leader, she isn't afraid to put herself out there and even make mistakes. I don't think she's egotistical as to think that she could do it alone. She would put people who are good at what they do in positions to succeed. I don't have a ton of faith in Jim to do that with the way he canned all the scouting staff and put in Chaz and Kareem Rush's girlfriend.
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Re: Jeanie and Jim on Power-Sharing, PJ and Filling Dad's Shoes

Postby revgen on Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:22 pm

The only member of the Buss family who you can say has a track record is Johnny Buss who won 2 championships when he ran the Sparks.

If Jeannie and Jim are too much at odds with each other, maybe Johnny can come in with some ideas. Granted, it was WNBA ball, but the Sparks have yet to have the same success since he left.

The only downside is that Johnny Buss tends to have a rep for being emotionally unstable (based on an old SI article). But if he has certain skills that Jeannie and Jim lack, then maybe they need to try to get him involved. I don't think the current path is working.
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Re: Jeanie and Jim on Power-Sharing, PJ and Filling Dad's Shoes

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:42 pm

Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne 14m
Jim Buss said that he and his father felt that wasn't fair to Phil, or the best use of his talents.
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Jim Buss said Phil wanted to do 2 yrs They felt they'd only be able to keep that group together for 1, and the 2nd year was a transition yr
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Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne 19m
Jim Buss told me that he and his father knew there was no way they could keep that $100 million team together past 2012-13 season.
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To clarify: When Jim/Jerry Buss says the Lakers knew they had to "rebuild" soon, it's referring to the luxury tax hell his yr
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Re: Jeanie and Jim on Power-Sharing, PJ and Filling Dad's Shoes

Postby lakersin4 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:47 am

Doc Brown wrote:
Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne 14m
Jim Buss said that he and his father felt that wasn't fair to Phil, or the best use of his talents.
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Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne 15m
Jim Buss said Phil wanted to do 2 yrs They felt they'd only be able to keep that group together for 1, and the 2nd year was a transition yr
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Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne 19m
Jim Buss told me that he and his father knew there was no way they could keep that $100 million team together past 2012-13 season.
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To clarify: When Jim/Jerry Buss says the Lakers knew they had to "rebuild" soon, it's referring to the luxury tax hell his yr
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Makes sense.. No reason to pay Phil 10+ a season if they were planning on cutting salary this season no matter what. Say we hired Phil & Dwight stayed, we'd likely have still amnestied MWP & Pau would be gone to avoid the tax. If we go out & land Lebron or some combo of players next season that makes us favorites & the team fits Phil better, maybe then you make that move. Phil wouldn't take this team any further than D'antoni will, maybe 1 round by outcoaching someone if we get the right matchup.. Maybe Mitch & Jim knew their chances of keeping Dwight weren't very good.. I wish Dwight would have just flat out said he doesn't plan on coming back so we could have dealt him at the deadline.
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Re: Jeanie and Jim on Power-Sharing, PJ and Filling Dad's Shoes

Postby charvin on Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:52 pm

Jeanie has the 'ultimate say' in the organization. Well, this is fine and dandy, but does she actually have say on the basketball side now?

http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/lakers_news_jim_buss_says_jeanie_has_the_ultimate_say_within_the_organization/14526310
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