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Postby Vasashi17 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:49 pm

Puff, you're way off base with those examples. Largely, cause not every fan will be satisfied with everything. You can't make everybody happy.

But when you lose a large contingency of the fan base....something's off. We're acting like this is Jimmy's inaugural season. Dude's been on the scene since 1998 and got his first power position in 2005. If it not for Sr. in 2005 to off put JImmy's first bad decision in Rudy T, who knows if we would have got another 2 titles.

Jerry West brought Kobe to the scene in 1996....18 years later, we're still riding his back. Mitch's masterful brush stroke was trading one Gasol for another. Still, Mitch has done positive things. What has Jimmy done?

He got credit for Bynum and ran with it, when its on the record that it was Ronnie Lester who first found him....and then Jimmy axes him along with many other loyal Laker employees in 2011....yet Chaz remains.

He gets Jerry West as a tutor, only to undermine the art of scouting and the intangibles that go with the responsibility. This prompted Jerry West to state that he was gone, when Jerry was no longer in charge. Bye bye Logo.

Magic is buying out every other organization in LA other than his beloved Lakers, which he sold his ownership stake in...why is that? Bye bye Magic.

Chaz is on the payroll, but his own brother in law, who has nearly his entire family and his wife to be in California, yet takes up a job he could have easily gotten with the Lakers out on the other coast....why is that? Bye bye Phil.

When the Lakers brought in marquee names to try to put us back into title contention with the likes of Nash, Pau, Dwight and Kobe, we bring in a coach that hasn't won a damn thing, while disrespectfully passing over the gold standard of coaching. People say that Dr. Buss wanted Showtime back....uh, I don't think that's the entire story. More than anything Dr. Buss wanted to one up the Celts. If he's on his death bed, he doesn't want Showtime back...he wanted what Showtime got him.....titles! I get that people double Phil as an exec...but as a coach, you make that pick 10/10 times....and yet we went with the other guy.

Jimmy has failed at nearly everything he has tried to take on. Like I said, only a minority didn't like Phil...only a minority didn't like Mitch....only a minority didn't like Jerry.....but a majority of fans cannot stand Jim. Lakers viewership has dropped nearly 50%.....there is a reason why the majority of fans are tuning out Jimmy's Lakers.
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Postby Rooscooter on Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:22 am

^^Lester may have found Bynum but it was Jimmy that overruled Mitch and Phil…. Sean May would have been that pick if the guys everyone seems to praise no matter what were in charge then. That's why I'm not a fan of Mitch and didn't want Phil making personnel decisions.

The mess we're in is the product of Phil's lack of wanting youth….. Mitch's tinkering with the roster and picks to keep a contender on the floor rather than keeping youth and building under the surface (see San Antonio) and the entire Buss Family for deciding to spend huge on 3 or 4 players and swing for the fences in the face of the new CBA. This isn't just Jim Buss and everyone else smells like roses….. IMHO.

Getting Phil for 5 years doesn't change what's going to happen to this team in that time frame much if any. Kobe will retire….. we will have 3 Firsts in that time frame and we will sign FA's. My guess is that we will strike out on the big names for two reasons. First we won't have a team that's attractive to a late 20's/early 30's "Star" looking for a shot and second the FA system itself. The extra year and $$ is proving to be huge and we can't really trade because we don't have the assets. It's going to be a long slow process. Is Jimmy the right guy?….. who knows? His dad was thought to be looking at the Lakers as a toss-in in a Real Estate deal and he did OK. Our largest problems in the near future is the mess the success of the last 15 years has left us in. Rarely does a team stay on top for this long….. in fact our relevance over the last 15 years is unprecedented. To believe it's a simple matter of swapping the front office decision makers overlooks the way the stars aligned in the past. That just doesn't happen very often and it's happened to this franchise twice in 35 years……
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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby Savory Griddles on Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:58 am

Rooscooter wrote:^^Lester may have found Bynum but it was Jimmy that overruled Mitch and Phil…. Sean May would have been that pick if the guys everyone seems to praise no matter what were in charge then. That's why I'm not a fan of Mitch and didn't want Phil making personnel decisions.

The mess we're in is the product of Phil's lack of wanting youth….. Mitch's tinkering with the roster and picks to keep a contender on the floor rather than keeping youth and building under the surface (see San Antonio) and the entire Buss Family for deciding to spend huge on 3 or 4 players and swing for the fences in the face of the new CBA. This isn't just Jim Buss and everyone else smells like roses….. IMHO.

Getting Phil for 5 years doesn't change what's going to happen to this team in that time frame much if any. Kobe will retire….. we will have 3 Firsts in that time frame and we will sign FA's. My guess is that we will strike out on the big names for two reasons. First we won't have a team that's attractive to a late 20's/early 30's "Star" looking for a shot and second the FA system itself. The extra year and $$ is proving to be huge and we can't really trade because we don't have the assets. It's going to be a long slow process. Is Jimmy the right guy?….. who knows? His dad was thought to be looking at the Lakers as a toss-in in a Real Estate deal and he did OK. Our largest problems in the near future is the mess the success of the last 15 years has left us in. Rarely does a team stay on top for this long….. in fact our relevance over the last 15 years is unprecedented. To believe it's a simple matter of swapping the front office decision makers overlooks the way the stars aligned in the past. That just doesn't happen very often and it's happened to this franchise twice in 35 years……


I agree with most of this. Our problems are pretty deep at this point. We need two great draft picks in a row to be honest and we don't have two straight draft picks coming up for a while. The new CBA has everyone operating like OKC and San Antonio. That means nailing lower draft picks (Parker, Ginobli, Leonard) or getting a run of several high ones (Durant, Westbrook, Harden). The luster is off the Lakers' name at this point and all we can sell is the weather.

Let's say we get Wiggins and he turns into the second coming of T-Mac (without the injuries). We sign Love in 2015. We sign another complimentary player like Stephenson as well. Is that enough to go toe to toe with Lebron? Probably not.
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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:44 am

^^^ no front court depth and like the o line in football.... You don't win without competent players in the font court. Those guys are at a premium and don't come cheap.

Everyone's projecting flashy wings with our picks but with no one behind them it's not going to help us get all the way back.
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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby Savory Griddles on Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:21 am

Rooscooter wrote:^^^ no front court depth and like the o line in football.... You don't win without competent players in the font court. Those guys are at a premium and don't come cheap.

Everyone's projecting flashy wings with our picks but with no one behind them it's not going to help us get all the way back.


Love is a front court player. But I get what you're saying. We do need competent rim protectors. Omer Asik may be a good player to target in 2015 WITH Love as opposed to going after complimentary player this offseason like Stephenson or Lowry.
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Postby Rooscooter on Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:30 am

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Rooscooter wrote:^^^ no front court depth and like the o line in football.... You don't win without competent players in the font court. Those guys are at a premium and don't come cheap.

Everyone's projecting flashy wings with our picks but with no one behind them it's not going to help us get all the way back.


Love is a front court player. But I get what you're saying. We do need competent rim protectors. Omer Asik may be a good player to target in 2015 WITH Love as opposed to going after complimentary player this offseason like Stephenson or Lowry.


I don't think Love is coming here….. Min knows he isn't staying and will trade him IMO. Since we have nothing to trade we'll not be in the running. The league will learn from what happened to us with Howard and the top guys who want to move will do it via trade not FA. One less year and a ton of $$ difference overcomes allegiance to a city IMO…. especially for a team that will have basically nothing. He'll be leaving a Min team that will be better than us.

Front court is a huge issue. We will be going forward with Sacre and Kelly….. With a different coach we may have been able to keep Kaman and Hill but that seems very remote at this point.

Mitch's comment about maybe going the single year contracts again this offseason tell me that they are looking for the home run again and won't really be doing much of anything until the next star is here. The problem is that I don't see the "next star" wanting to forgo a year and big cash to join a team of one year contracts….. and a 39 year old Kobe and a top 10 pick. Those guys are usually looking to get out of a bad situation….. not into one.
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Postby Savory Griddles on Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:50 am

Rooscooter wrote:
Savory Griddles wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:^^^ no front court depth and like the o line in football.... You don't win without competent players in the font court. Those guys are at a premium and don't come cheap.

Everyone's projecting flashy wings with our picks but with no one behind them it's not going to help us get all the way back.


Love is a front court player. But I get what you're saying. We do need competent rim protectors. Omer Asik may be a good player to target in 2015 WITH Love as opposed to going after complimentary player this offseason like Stephenson or Lowry.


I don't think Love is coming here….. Min knows he isn't staying and will trade him IMO. Since we have nothing to trade we'll not be in the running. The league will learn from what happened to us with Howard and the top guys who want to move will do it via trade not FA. One less year and a ton of $$ difference overcomes allegiance to a city IMO…. especially for a team that will have basically nothing. He'll be leaving a Min team that will be better than us.

Front court is a huge issue. We will be going forward with Sacre and Kelly….. With a different coach we may have been able to keep Kaman and Hill but that seems very remote at this point.

Mitch's comment about maybe going the single year contracts again this offseason tell me that they are looking for the home run again and won't really be doing much of anything until the next star is here. The problem is that I don't see the "next star" wanting to forgo a year and big cash to join a team of one year contracts….. and a 39 year old Kobe and a top 10 pick. Those guys are usually looking to get out of a bad situation….. not into one.


I agree Love will be traded next season to someone. But Love is going to be in the exact same situation as Dwight. Dwight was traded by the Magic to a team that thought they could resign him. Dwight still spurned us. In 2015, Love will hit the market and have the same decision as Dwight. A lot of Love's decision will be based on whether or not whoever we pick this year in the draft looks promising next season. If we take, let's say, Wiggins and he looks like the second coming of T-Mac, I think Love looks at our situation as appealing. Granted, if the Heat do something like trade Bosh for Love, Love will re-up to play next to Lebron, no questions asked.

Love WILL opt out because it makes financial sense for him to do so to either resign with the team he's on or sign elsewhere. It will simply be a matter of what our rookie looks like, who we sign this offseason, and what Kobe comes back as.
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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:52 am

trodgers wrote:Our way...

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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:56 am

Savory Griddles wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Savory Griddles wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:^^^ no front court depth and like the o line in football.... You don't win without competent players in the font court. Those guys are at a premium and don't come cheap.

Everyone's projecting flashy wings with our picks but with no one behind them it's not going to help us get all the way back.


Love is a front court player. But I get what you're saying. We do need competent rim protectors. Omer Asik may be a good player to target in 2015 WITH Love as opposed to going after complimentary player this offseason like Stephenson or Lowry.


I don't think Love is coming here….. Min knows he isn't staying and will trade him IMO. Since we have nothing to trade we'll not be in the running. The league will learn from what happened to us with Howard and the top guys who want to move will do it via trade not FA. One less year and a ton of $$ difference overcomes allegiance to a city IMO…. especially for a team that will have basically nothing. He'll be leaving a Min team that will be better than us.

Front court is a huge issue. We will be going forward with Sacre and Kelly….. With a different coach we may have been able to keep Kaman and Hill but that seems very remote at this point.

Mitch's comment about maybe going the single year contracts again this offseason tell me that they are looking for the home run again and won't really be doing much of anything until the next star is here. The problem is that I don't see the "next star" wanting to forgo a year and big cash to join a team of one year contracts….. and a 39 year old Kobe and a top 10 pick. Those guys are usually looking to get out of a bad situation….. not into one.


I agree Love will be traded next season to someone. But Love is going to be in the exact same situation as Dwight. Dwight was traded by the Magic to a team that thought they could resign him. Dwight still spurned us. In 2015, Love will hit the market and have the same decision as Dwight. A lot of Love's decision will be based on whether or not whoever we pick this year in the draft looks promising next season. If we take, let's say, Wiggins and he looks like the second coming of T-Mac, I think Love looks at our situation as appealing. Granted, if the Heat do something like trade Bosh for Love, Love will re-up to play next to Lebron, no questions asked.

Love WILL opt out because it makes financial sense for him to do so to either resign with the team he's on or sign elsewhere. It will simply be a matter of what our rookie looks like, who we sign this offseason, and what Kobe comes back as.


Maybe….. but isn't Miami's big 3 up the same year? So why go to LA when you can take your talents to South Beach and play with the Game's best? I just don't see us being that attractive to anyone for a few years. He could get traded to a team that he wants to be on as well and re-sign as a formality of the trade.

If we are to have a shot at him we need assets to trade. We have no picks left to trade…. we'll get a top pick this year but trading our only young good player seems counter productive. We'll have no long term growing players and limited resources to fill out an entire squad of players capable of even getting to the playoffs much less making an impact.

This is going to take a while I'm afraid.
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Postby Savory Griddles on Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:09 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Savory Griddles wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Savory Griddles wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:^^^ no front court depth and like the o line in football.... You don't win without competent players in the font court. Those guys are at a premium and don't come cheap.

Everyone's projecting flashy wings with our picks but with no one behind them it's not going to help us get all the way back.


Love is a front court player. But I get what you're saying. We do need competent rim protectors. Omer Asik may be a good player to target in 2015 WITH Love as opposed to going after complimentary player this offseason like Stephenson or Lowry.


I don't think Love is coming here….. Min knows he isn't staying and will trade him IMO. Since we have nothing to trade we'll not be in the running. The league will learn from what happened to us with Howard and the top guys who want to move will do it via trade not FA. One less year and a ton of $$ difference overcomes allegiance to a city IMO…. especially for a team that will have basically nothing. He'll be leaving a Min team that will be better than us.

Front court is a huge issue. We will be going forward with Sacre and Kelly….. With a different coach we may have been able to keep Kaman and Hill but that seems very remote at this point.

Mitch's comment about maybe going the single year contracts again this offseason tell me that they are looking for the home run again and won't really be doing much of anything until the next star is here. The problem is that I don't see the "next star" wanting to forgo a year and big cash to join a team of one year contracts….. and a 39 year old Kobe and a top 10 pick. Those guys are usually looking to get out of a bad situation….. not into one.


I agree Love will be traded next season to someone. But Love is going to be in the exact same situation as Dwight. Dwight was traded by the Magic to a team that thought they could resign him. Dwight still spurned us. In 2015, Love will hit the market and have the same decision as Dwight. A lot of Love's decision will be based on whether or not whoever we pick this year in the draft looks promising next season. If we take, let's say, Wiggins and he looks like the second coming of T-Mac, I think Love looks at our situation as appealing. Granted, if the Heat do something like trade Bosh for Love, Love will re-up to play next to Lebron, no questions asked.

Love WILL opt out because it makes financial sense for him to do so to either resign with the team he's on or sign elsewhere. It will simply be a matter of what our rookie looks like, who we sign this offseason, and what Kobe comes back as.


Maybe….. but isn't Miami's big 3 up the same year? So why go to LA when you can take your talents to South Beach and play with the Game's best? I just don't see us being that attractive to anyone for a few years. He could get traded to a team that he wants to be on as well and re-sign as a formality of the trade.

If we are to have a shot at him we need assets to trade. We have no picks left to trade…. we'll get a top pick this year but trading our only young good player seems counter productive. We'll have no long term growing players and limited resources to fill out an entire squad of players capable of even getting to the playoffs much less making an impact.

This is going to take a while I'm afraid.


Miami's big 3 are all up this offseason. But the Heat were just an example of what you think may happen. And I agree it may, but there are a lot of unkonown variables. You have to look at who trades for him, what they still have left after they trade for him, etc. When we traded for Dwight, we had to give up (at the time) the consensus 2nd or 3rd best center in the league. He was our only great player under 30. Dwight came here, saw a bunch of old dudes and left. Love is going to cost someone a lot. Will the team that drafts him have enough left over to convince him to stay? If whoever we draft has a good rookie season, we sign a Lance Stephenson or someone like that who plays great in 2014, are two great players younger than Love himself going to be more appealing than where he goes? Throw in coming home and playing for the Lakers (it probably still means something). I totally understand what you're saying, but I don't think there is any real way to make a determination on Love until mid-way through next season.
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Postby Rooscooter on Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:15 pm

^^I thought they had "opt-outs" this offseason and were up next year….. I don't follow it that close however.

I like your scenario but do we have the $$ to do that? We sign those two, sign a first and still have Kobe's 24 on the books along with the rest of a team…. does that leave a max slot?
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Postby Savory Griddles on Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:24 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^I thought they had "opt-outs" this offseason and were up next year….. I don't follow it that close however.

I like your scenario but do we have the $$ to do that? We sign those two, sign a first and still have Kobe's 24 on the books along with the rest of a team…. does that leave a max slot?


Well, I've said before, it'd be tight, but we could sign both Lowry and Stephenson and have our pick and STILL be able to sign Love in the offseason if Lowry and Stephenson sign for fair deals.

in 2015:

Kobe - 24.5
Stephenson - Let's say 11
Lowry - Let's say 8
Draft pick - 5

That's 49 million. The cap is projected to be around 65-67 or so in 2015. Maybe enough to sign Love. We'd have to do what Miami did that first season and hope we get people to come here for the vets minimum to fill out the roster. That's why I always complain about that Kobe deal. If he takes 15 instead, we now have plenty to sign Love and maybe pick up an Omer Asik as well in 2015 to give us a solid starting five and sixth man.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:55 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Puff, you're way off base with those examples. Largely, cause not every fan will be satisfied with everything. You can't make everybody happy.
I don't think I am off base at all but I do agree you can't make everyone happy.

But when you lose a large contingency of the fan base....something's off. We're acting like this is Jimmy's inaugural season. Dude's been on the scene since 1998 and got his first power position in 2005. If it not for Sr. in 2005 to off put JImmy's first bad decision in Rudy T, who knows if we would have got another 2 titles.
Yes I agree something is off but I'd say its the fans who have proven to be living up to the claims by other fans that we are nothing more than fair weather fans. We have been spoiled as a fan base and it shows. If you are considering Jimmy being "on the scene" since 98 and then having power in 05 then he is also responsible for the Championships we won too. Or is that double-standard so strong he doesn't get any credit for that at all? Jerry took loyalty to a whole new level when he name Magic as head coach. How did that work for us? All we care about is we got Phil who Jerry hated.

Jerry West brought Kobe to the scene in 1996....18 years later, we're still riding his back. Mitch's masterful brush stroke was trading one Gasol for another. Still, Mitch has done positive things. What has Jimmy done?

He got credit for Bynum and ran with it, when its on the record that it was Ronnie Lester who first found him....and then Jimmy axes him along with many other loyal Laker employees in 2011....yet Chaz remains.
Mitch has done some positive things but I remember when fans killed him on every turn. I remember sitting on this board saying nearly the same thing I am saying now about Jim.... Let the guy do his job before we murder him. I don't know what Jim did outside of Making sure we kept Bynum who was instrumental in that 2nd ring. I know he signed off on the Pau for CP3 trade that got axed. I know he Lamar traded but that got axed and we wound up with two disgruntled stars and went to plan B. I know he didn't let old fond memories cloud his judgement and rush to bring Phil back because the "fan base" wanted Phil. Oddly enough that is the same fan base that wanted him gone because phil had "lost it" by 2011. If you take away Jim's credit for Bynum shouldn't you also take away Phil's for Kobe and the 08 and 10 championships? I mean Phil did not want Kobe plain and simple. I understand that Jimmy should be held accountable for the woes of this team but it seems very hypocritical at how he is killed and then others are basically forgiven.



He gets Jerry West as a tutor, only to undermine the art of scouting and the intangibles that go with the responsibility. This prompted Jerry West to state that he was gone, when Jerry was no longer in charge. Bye bye Logo.
And the Lakers failed once Jerry left? I remember our hard years then I remember the championships. I remember how we said Mitch couldn't fill Jerry's shoes and Mitch needed to be gone so we could be more like San Antonio yet we have more rings than SAS in that time frame.

Magic is buying out every other organization in LA other than his beloved Lakers, which he sold his ownership stake in...why is that? Bye bye Magic.

Um from what I understand Magic wanted a bigger stake in the Lakers but knew he couldn't get it. So he sold his small stake in order to get a bigger pie in the Dodgers which was being sold. That was business. What did Magic do as an owner for the Lakers again?

Chaz is on the payroll, but his own brother in law, who has nearly his entire family and his wife to be in California, yet takes up a job he could have easily gotten with the Lakers out on the other coast....why is that? Bye bye Phil.

Phil wanted to be the man, have it his way and make his own rules. You really knock the man for not giving Phil that control? I am baffled how many fans assume Phil will be a front office genius. Did we forget how often fans bashed phil for the players he wanted? I do because I spent a lot of times in debates about it. I guess now that he is gone we all forgot.

When the Lakers brought in marquee names to try to put us back into title contention with the likes of Nash, Pau, Dwight and Kobe, we bring in a coach that hasn't won a damn thing, while disrespectfully passing over the gold standard of coaching. People say that Dr. Buss wanted Showtime back....uh, I don't think that's the entire story. More than anything Dr. Buss wanted to one up the Celts. If he's on his death bed, he doesn't want Showtime back...he wanted what Showtime got him.....titles! I get that people double Phil as an exec...but as a coach, you make that pick 10/10 times....and yet we went with the other guy.

So you speculate that Dr. Buss really wanted nothing more than a Championship and would of taken Phil back? I speculate that Phil wasn't fully committed to coaching and the great Dr knew that to be the case. People wanted to bring in the Van Gundy's, Sloan or someone similar instead of Coach Brown and Coach D. I can get on board with that but there is one thing.... none of those coaches won anything either. How about Thibs in Chicago? He hasn't won as a head coach either yet we all would love him. Don't get me wrong I think those others are much better choices than either Mike but the point is Phil has won, Pop has won, Spoelstra has won and whoever was coaching the Mavs has won. Who else? Phil would of been a nice return to the old days but can we honestly say we would of have won if he came back with his set limitations? I dont thnk we would have just like 2011.

Jimmy has failed at nearly everything he has tried to take on. Like I said, only a minority didn't like Phil...only a minority didn't like Mitch....only a minority didn't like Jerry.....but a majority of fans cannot stand Jim. Lakers viewership has dropped nearly 50%.....there is a reason why the majority of fans are tuning out Jimmy's Lakers.

I disagree in the Minority comments all together. The viewership dropped because we are fielding a team that stars Kent Bazemore with a coach who now seems like he is playing yahtzee with players pictures on them to see who will be in the rotation from game to game. Yes, blame the FO for hiring him. This season is lost and everyone knows that but pointing to the fans not watching means little to me. In the big money picture of course its a big deal because fans want stars which we are greatly missing. I am part of the minority group that still watches every game. In the end I guess I just see that we have some work to do and that the FO will fix it.
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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:10 pm

Well Said Puffy…..
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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:16 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^Lester may have found Bynum but it was Jimmy that overruled Mitch and Phil…. Sean May would have been that pick if the guys everyone seems to praise no matter what were in charge then. That's why I'm not a fan of Mitch and didn't want Phil making personnel decisions.

The mess we're in is the product of Phil's lack of wanting youth….. Mitch's tinkering with the roster and picks to keep a contender on the floor rather than keeping youth and building under the surface (see San Antonio) and the entire Buss Family for deciding to spend huge on 3 or 4 players and swing for the fences in the face of the new CBA. This isn't just Jim Buss and everyone else smells like roses….. IMHO.

Getting Phil for 5 years doesn't change what's going to happen to this team in that time frame much if any. Kobe will retire….. we will have 3 Firsts in that time frame and we will sign FA's. My guess is that we will strike out on the big names for two reasons. First we won't have a team that's attractive to a late 20's/early 30's "Star" looking for a shot and second the FA system itself. The extra year and $$ is proving to be huge and we can't really trade because we don't have the assets. It's going to be a long slow process. Is Jimmy the right guy?….. who knows? His dad was thought to be looking at the Lakers as a toss-in in a Real Estate deal and he did OK. Our largest problems in the near future is the mess the success of the last 15 years has left us in. Rarely does a team stay on top for this long….. in fact our relevance over the last 15 years is unprecedented. To believe it's a simple matter of swapping the front office decision makers overlooks the way the stars aligned in the past. That just doesn't happen very often and it's happened to this franchise twice in 35 years……

and I agree with this. It seems that we, as fans, are caught up in the idea that because one thing worked it will work now. All the changes are new. We have yet to see one team have to truly deal with the new CBA in forms of building a Championship team. Jimmy may be the best person for the job we have no clue just speculation. People point to the Spurs but lets see what happens to them when Duncan retires after this season.
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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:18 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Well Said Puffy…..
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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby karacha on Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:30 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote: We have yet to see one team have to truly deal with the new CBA in forms of building a Championship team.


Yeah, I strongly agree with this. It's going to be a challenge.
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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:43 pm

karacha wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote: We have yet to see one team have to truly deal with the new CBA in forms of building a Championship team.


Yeah, I strongly agree with this. It's going to be a challenge.


and its the biggest point of them all. The Lakers put themselves in a position to be able to make deals and possibly pull in another big name to take over for Kobe. Yes, it would of been nice to get Kobe for less. Yes, it would of been nice to be able to not have Nash on the books for another year. Yes, it would of been nice to get Pau shipped for some pieces. We tried to make the moves but they didn't work out. We picked up guys like X and Young who had become fan favs. R Kelly is quicky becoming the steal of the draft. We may be in a dark spot but the other "championship" teams are headed for the same issue. The Heat, the Spurs, the Thunder will all have tough choices to make.None of them are facing the tax hit the Lakers are facing. Can anyone tell me a team that is set for long term success right now? I can't see anyone where I go that team is ready for a good 5 year run. I guess we can say Hou is set up pretty good but I don't trust in their "star" investments. I think OKC will be blown up at some point. Miami's window is closing. SPurs maybe they reload but I think Duncan gone will hurt. The bottom dwelling teams have been bottom feeders for years so don't expect much to change there either. Like you said, "it's going to be a challenge."
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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:00 pm

I'd say the future looks bright for Indiana, Houston, Oklahoma City, and to a lesser extent Golden State, Philadelphia, and Phoenix.
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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby Weezy on Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:39 pm

I find it funny that this thread has become a serious, deep discussion about our future after how it started. I mean look at the title. :man10:

On the topic of Jeanie though, from what I've been reading it seems Phil with the Knicks guarantees she will not ever be involved in player decisions while he is president of the Knicks. Seems the only reason it's not a conflict of interest that she's president of the Lakers and he's president of the Knicks is that she isn't involved in trades and signing players and such. So if Jim ever wants to quit and Jeanie wants to take over his job, I'm assuming she can't now. Interesting, I guess.
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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:59 pm

Weezy wrote:I find it funny that this thread has become a serious, deep discussion about our future after how it started. I mean look at the title. :man10:


This is true.

I think Puffy has hit the nail on the head a couple of times in his posts on this page. Many other teams are going to have to be making some real tough decisions in the future just like us. We're just ahead of the curve and our tough decisions are right around the corner. Fortunately, even with the Kobe contract we have a lot of CAP flexibility and Kobe's contract expires in 2016 when there will be a lot of great FA to pursue as well.
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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby Savory Griddles on Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:28 pm

Battle Tested20 wrote:
Weezy wrote:I find it funny that this thread has become a serious, deep discussion about our future after how it started. I mean look at the title. :man10:


This is true.

I think Puffy has hit the nail on the head a couple of times in his posts on this page. Many other teams are going to have to be making some real tough decisions in the future just like us. We're just ahead of the curve and our tough decisions are right around the corner. Fortunately, even with the Kobe contract we have a lot of CAP flexibility and Kobe's contract expires in 2016 when there will be a lot of great FA to pursue as well.


The "many other teams making tough decisions" point will be on full display with the Pacers and Stephenson. The only reason he is even a realistic candidate for other teams this offseason is because of the crushing luxury tax implications. The NBA wants to be the NFL.
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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:34 pm

We are where we are for a reason.

There are self made individuals and there are those that really haven't set their mark yet, but for how long can you wait?

Jerry Buss, Phil Jackson, Jerry West are all self made. They have all made mistakes, but you can forgive those mistakes because of all the success they brought on immediately. Buss buys the Lakers and saw immediate success. When he was in charge, we had quick turnarounds. Missed the playoffs twice ( 1.Magic prematurely retired, 2.Phil and Shaq get axed)....but the turnaround came there shortly ( 1.'92 to '96, 2.'05 to '07). Phil gets hired in Chicago and right away the Bulls become contenders. Same thing happens when Phil first comes to LA and then again for his second stint. The Logo constructs Showtime and then starts over with Shaq/Kobe.

These guys have made their mark and repeatedly have made them again. A small minority will find faults in these guys, but most fans will admit that it was nit-picking since overall we were considered legitimate contenders when any combo of these gentlemen were spearheading Laker success.

I've said it time and again...Mitch is good but not Jerry West type great. I don't think anybody can refute that. Another thing I don't like about Mitch is that he postures and seems to be a yes man. Again, that's something Jerry West never was comfortable in doing and going back to that 98 SI piece, he made comments that the more power Jimmy came in to, that forced West's hand in leaving. He refused to be a yes man and Dr. Buss made sure he surrounded himself with basketball minds that continually challenged him. If our last 2 titles are credited to Jimmy/Mitch, then likewise you can't ignore that Jerry and Phil were still on the scene.

Jerry Buss became sick and was on his death bed somewhere around 2011. Its been about 3 seasons and under Jimmy's watch, its been bad hire after bad hire at coach. Throwing 1st round draft picks here and there AFTER the new CBA had been agreed to in 2011....and while we're on 2011, the mass firings/layoffs that occurred before the lockout. This all occurred with Jerry and Phil either out, or on the way out and the Logo already off the reservation for quite sometime.

We didn't arrive here overnight....we're here with Jimmy/Mitch in charge of basketball ops and having no Jerry/Phil/Logo buffer (well there is that Kobe buffer still).

The fanbase would continue to have discussions and bicker during our title years, but that was only a small minority. These Lakers right here, are a whole new ballgame. A large contingency of the fanbase has a problem with these Lakers. You have Jack walking out at half time of routed games and becoming less and less visible at his courtside seat. You have the extremely loyal and patient Flea making twitter demands for change. We're not talking a small crowd of Laker fans knit-picking here....we're talking about the majority who are annoyed at how we got here.....and what makes it extremely distressing is that some of it could have been avoided.
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Re: Jeanie Buss spotted wearing ugly hat

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:46 pm

BTW, the new CBA and its super tax and all that jazz is getting too much hype. The fact of the matter is the new CBA was made to favor ownership in large part. It was structured to improve parity so that small markets can compete with big market teams, but the big markets can still throw around money.

For instance, the max deals in general are lower than what they had been. Kobe's 30M per can no longer be seen around the league. Max deals also have gotten shorter. Meanwhile, the max salary cap has risen and is projected to continually rise. That number also increases the apron.

So with player contracts maxing out at 23M per and with the max salary cap reaching into the 60Ms (with the tax apron heading north of 75M)....wouldn't you think big markets would want to adopt the 2-3 superstar blueprint...especially those big markets that have a mega cable deal. Big names = big ratings ....its more profitable and everybody is happy. Super tax be damned...

Thanks in part to TV contract with Time Warner Cable, the Lakers experienced a 35% increase in value from previous year. They are worth $1.35 billion, behind only the Knicks.

The Lakers are losers in the standings but financial winners in a big way.

They were declared the NBA's second-most valuable franchise, behind only the New York Knicks, in an annual report released Wednesday by Forbes.

The Lakers are worth $1.35 billion, up 35% from the previous year, thanks mainly to their new television contract with Time Warner Cable. They earned $122 million last season from TWC, more than 20 times what the Charlotte Bobcats and Milwaukee Bucks received from their broadcasting partners, according to Forbes.

The Lakers are in the second season of a 25-year, $5-billion TV deal with Time Warner.

"It's the value of live sports programming," said George Belch, chairman of the marketing department at San Diego State. "What's happening is that sports right now have just gone through the roof if you look at the NFL, MLB, NBA, college sports. You've just got a tremendous amount of competition for it.

"The networks still want to use sports as a platform, you've got ESPN and the new Fox sports entity. Everybody's stepping up their game, even the cable companies themselves like Time Warner. If you're a sports property, particularly in L.A., you're in a very good situation."

The latest valuation of the franchise was an incredible jump from when Jerry Buss purchased the Lakers for $16 million in 1979, part of a larger deal in which he also acquired the L.A. Kings ($8 million), the Forum ($33.5 million) and a 13,000-acre Sierra Nevada ranch ($10 million). Buss died last February, handing majority control of the franchise to six of his adult children.

The Lakers turned an operating profit of $66.4 million last year on $295 million in revenue, despite paying almost $30 million in luxury taxes. The team's payroll has dropped sharply since then, down from $100 million to about $78 million this season, so expect even more profit in the next survey. Their annual contract with TWC increases by about 3% every year.

All the money hasn't translated to victories, the Lakers (16-26) sitting in 13th place in the Western Conference as injuries have damaged their already-slim playoff hopes entering the season.

"You kind of have to separate the two things," Belch said. "When these deals were being negotiated, I'm not sure Time Warner saw how quickly the franchise was going to get in trouble on the court. And injuries are always a wild card. You can't account for that.

"But you're looking at the history of the franchise. They've had a tremendous run over the last couple decades and you have to bank on the fact they're going to get their act together and get the right players. ... It's still L.A., it's a huge media market."

The NBA also saw the value of the average franchise rise to $634 million, a 25% increase from last year. The Knicks are worth $1.4 billion, up 27% from last year's Forbes valuation.
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