JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby Alleyhoops on Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:18 pm

Okay, that is still the sickest pull-up jumper I've ever seen. Nothing sweeter. The mechanics of getting that shot off so lightening fast is still remarkable. Flawless form. Crazy. It didn't matter the size, quickness of the defender(s), even the best twitch reflexes couldn't react quickly enough to bother the shot. Insane.

What's lost in the usual discussion about him is the fact that he was an incredible defensive player.

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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:31 pm

He dribbled almost exclusively with his right hand...

But yeah, his jump shot was pretty damn sexy.
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby Alleyhoops on Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:41 pm

therealdeal wrote:He dribbled almost exclusively with his right hand...

But yeah, his jump shot was pretty damn sexy.

Yep, the predominant right handed dribble looked a bit strange. It was part of being ready at any moment to pound the dribble once, slightly harder with that right hand, elevating the ball into his shooting motion as he went up for that jumper.

I grew up in the Palms, West L.A. neighborhood and West lived right across the street from Mar Vista Park on Palms and Barrington.
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:44 pm

Very cool. I just commented on that dribble because he wouldn't be able to get away with that today. That shot though, the pull up... So great.
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby Alleyhoops on Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:00 pm

therealdeal wrote:Very cool. I just commented on that dribble because he wouldn't be able to get away with that today. That shot though, the pull up... So great.

Absolutely, he would have had to switch hands more and, even as quick as he was, probably develop going up off the left hand additionally. The form on that shot is just exquisite and so feathery. Who would be the modern day version of that release -- maybe Ray Allen?
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby slimjim on Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:04 pm

Michael Jordan's scouting report on Jerry West.

Force him left. :man10:
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:08 pm

Alleyhoops wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Very cool. I just commented on that dribble because he wouldn't be able to get away with that today. That shot though, the pull up... So great.

Absolutely, he would have had to switch hands more and, even as quick as he was, probably develop going up off the left hand additionally. The form on that shot is just exquisite and so feathery. Who would be the modern day version of that release -- maybe Ray Allen?

Ray and Curry come to mind. Quick, natural release points. Klay Thompson too.
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby slimjim on Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:41 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Alleyhoops wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Very cool. I just commented on that dribble because he wouldn't be able to get away with that today. That shot though, the pull up... So great.

Absolutely, he would have had to switch hands more and, even as quick as he was, probably develop going up off the left hand additionally. The form on that shot is just exquisite and so feathery. Who would be the modern day version of that release -- maybe Ray Allen?

Ray and Curry come to mind. Quick, natural release points. Klay Thompson too.


Modern day Jerry West?

He'd be JJ reddick with INCREDIBLE intangibles.

Similar height/build, both have great consistent shooting form. Average athleticism at best.

Not a knock on Jerry west at all. It's just the game has changed DRASTICALLY since his days.
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:00 pm

We're only comparing the jump shot.
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby Ariza3 on Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:09 pm

curry definitely comes to my mind when i see west's jumpshot. very similar
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby Lakerjones on Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:20 pm

Ariza3 wrote:curry definitely comes to my mind when i see west's jumpshot. very similar


For me, too. Definitely Curry which is funny because now they are both with GS. He didn't go so often to that left hand but when he did it didn't slow him down at all (see the first move to the baseline for example). He might have favored the right heavily but he was a fine ball handler and could switch as shown in the clips. He also did a great job of protecting the ball, too. Multiple clips show guys trying to reach in or shade him hard going right, but it doesn't make a difference, he still gets around them.

Love those clips so much Alleyhoops. Also loving the Mar Vista park segment. Representing that Westside. :jam2:
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:39 pm

Jerry was one of the best competitors ever. The comparison with Reddick is laughable. West was a champion, and he brought the Lakers to the finals multiple times, only to lose to arguably the best team of all time.

People always talk about how the modern players would do in the previous eras, but not as much talk about how the greats from other eras would do in our modern NBA. West would dominate. He had the shot of Nash/ Ray Allen in their prime, the defense a Conley on the perimeter, and the competitive fire of Kobe. How else do you think he was able to see the greatness in a young Kobe when everyone else was passing him up in the draft?
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby Alleyhoops on Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:44 pm

Players patterned their games for the times and did what they needed to do to excel in that period. The great players now would be great in previous eras as would players from the past in the modern era, patterning and forming their game for the moment. The great athletes of the past would not be taking set shots in today's game -- they'd be rising up for jumpers. West would have tailored his game for the present standards and exceeded them. I have absolutely no doubt he would have dominated and been a top five player in the current game. And West was a phenomenal defensive player -- getting into the jerseys of opposing players and had the quick hands of MWP. I recall Celtic great, Sam Jones marvelling at West's quickness. How did Wooden put it.-- don't play fast, play quick. West was one of those freaks like Gretzky -- able to elevate his game beyond. And hitting clutch shot after clutch shot in pressure moments -- that ish is just freakish.
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:20 pm

Alleyhoops wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Very cool. I just commented on that dribble because he wouldn't be able to get away with that today. That shot though, the pull up... So great.

Absolutely, he would have had to switch hands more and, even as quick as he was, probably develop going up off the left hand additionally. The form on that shot is just exquisite and so feathery. Who would be the modern day version of that release -- maybe Ray Allen?


As for pure form and fundamentals I don't think you can find purer shooters than Maravich and Barry. Both could shoot with either hand with the same form. Bird was amazing as well and Goodrich wasn't so shabby either. Another couple lesser known shooters with great form are Hershey Hawkins and Ronoldo Blackman.
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby gcclaker on Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:25 pm

To hone his accuracy this cat used to shoot in a gym with the lights off...

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On topic, West's J was probably difficult to time as a defender because he could pull up at ANY spot on the floor on a dime. Yes, it was poetry in motion.
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Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:21 am

Alleyhoops wrote:Players patterned their games for the times and did what they needed to do to excel in that period. The great players now would be great in previous eras as would players from the past in the modern era, patterning and forming their game for the moment. The great athletes of the past would not be taking set shots in today's game -- they'd be rising up for jumpers. West would have tailored his game for the present standards and exceeded them. I have absolutely no doubt he would have dominated and been a top five player in the current game. And West was a phenomenal defensive player -- getting into the jerseys of opposing players and had the quick hands of MWP. I recall Celtic great, Sam Jones marvelling at West's quickness. How did Wooden put it.-- don't play fast, play quick. West was one of those freaks like Gretzky -- able to elevate his game beyond. And hitting clutch shot after clutch shot in pressure moments -- that ish is just freakish.


Great post. And who doesn't think West wouldn't have developed his left handed dribble in today's game, because of that fact..... it would be needed, or any of the past studs with todays' hi tech conditioning and medicine would as well avail themselves of the same to dominate now same as then. I used to try to get into the air for a J off the dribble as fast as possible because it was so damn great the way West did it in my early awareness of the pantheon of the greatest Lakers. Thank god it wasn't having to try to emulate Kobe's skill sets. :man10: :bang:
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:30 am

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:Jerry was one of the best competitors ever. The comparison with Reddick is laughable. West was a champion, and he brought the Lakers to the finals multiple times, only to lose to arguably the best team of all time.

People always talk about how the modern players would do in the previous eras, but not as much talk about how the greats from other eras would do in our modern NBA. West would dominate. He had the shot of Nash/ Ray Allen in their prime, the defense a Conley on the perimeter, and the competitive fire of Kobe. How else do you think he was able to see the greatness in a young Kobe when everyone else was passing him up in the draft?

Yeah I have no idea where that Reddick remark came from... What?
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby Alleyhoops on Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:22 am

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Alleyhoops wrote:Players patterned their games for the times and did what they needed to do to excel in that period. The great players now would be great in previous eras as would players from the past in the modern era, patterning and forming their game for the moment. The great athletes of the past would not be taking set shots in today's game -- they'd be rising up for jumpers. West would have tailored his game for the present standards and exceeded them. I have absolutely no doubt he would have dominated and been a top five player in the current game. And West was a phenomenal defensive player -- getting into the jerseys of opposing players and had the quick hands of MWP. I recall Celtic great, Sam Jones marvelling at West's quickness. How did Wooden put it.-- don't play fast, play quick. West was one of those freaks like Gretzky -- able to elevate his game beyond. And hitting clutch shot after clutch shot in pressure moments -- that ish is just freakish.


Great post. And who doesn't think West wouldn't have developed his left handed dribble in today's game, because of that fact..... it would be needed, or any of the past studs with todays' hi tech conditioning and medicine would as well avail themselves of the same to dominate now same as then. I used to try to get into the air for a J off the dribble as fast as possible because it was so damn great the way West did it in my early awareness of the pantheon of the greatest Lakers. Thank god it wasn't having to try to emulate Kobe's skill sets. :man10: :bang:


Oh man, can I relate. All the years I played organized ball -- the J was the strong part of my game. I worked tirelesly on elevation and form, but the quickness, speed with which he stopped on a dime and got that shot off in an instant was just some crazy calibration thing that neither I nor my teammates could perform with even the slightest success. It was airball city laughable. We worked on pounding that last dribble a bit harder so it elevated with our jumps, but no matter how much we practiced, it was a joke.

When you see the speed that West stole so many passes and knocked balls away from opposing ball handlers, it starts to make sense that he just had freakish twitch reactions and crazy quick muscles. That was something we couldn't learn or be taught.
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Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:36 pm

I think being in everyone's grill up close and personal on D like West was contributed probably to the 4 or so broken noses he sustained in his career. Guy was tough as nails.
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby slimjim on Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:04 pm

therealdeal wrote:
V.V.V.V.V. wrote:Jerry was one of the best competitors ever. The comparison with Reddick is laughable. West was a champion, and he brought the Lakers to the finals multiple times, only to lose to arguably the best team of all time.

People always talk about how the modern players would do in the previous eras, but not as much talk about how the greats from other eras would do in our modern NBA. West would dominate. He had the shot of Nash/ Ray Allen in their prime, the defense a Conley on the perimeter, and the competitive fire of Kobe. How else do you think he was able to see the greatness in a young Kobe when everyone else was passing him up in the draft?

Yeah I have no idea where that Reddick remark came from... What?


Here's the thing, and hear me out before you label me CRAZY. :man10:

I'm looking at this from a time machine POV. Prime jerry west steps into a time machine and play for the Lakers with his prime body and skill set from the 60s 70s.

1) He'd be overpowered by the 2 guards of this era. 6'4ish at 185 lbs. (as a comparison, reddick is 6'4 190 lb and he's well known as an undersized unathletic 2 guard.)

2) His lack of ball handling with his left hand would not cut it in this era. Watch the OPs youtube video and pay attention to his dribbling before the shot. It's almost all exclusive right dribble drives.

and that's where the confusion lies, I was looking at it from a time machine POV when I made the initial post. I have no doubt if he grew up in this era he'd easily beat reddick. I agree with Alleyhoops post 100%. Stars would pattern and form their game for the moment and excel in it. Jerry West would be much bigger and more athletic with the advantage of modern nutritionists, workouts, etc.

This is kind of why I don't like comparing really old school era players to modern day players. The game has changed completely. It's much more athletic, dynamic, and fast compared to the 60s 70s.

Take prime kobe and time machine him back to the 60s 70s... he'd have 10+ rings.
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:02 am

I guess, but that's some terrible logic, man. If you took ANYONE from previous eras and put them here, their results would be vastly different (most of them worse).

I mean not even in terms of basketball, but just people in general... I mean let's take Lincoln out of 1850 and laugh at how he's really not that tall. :man10:
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:23 am

Do not subscribe to that. You can't take a great player and competitor from a previous era, drop him into now, and then not give him access to modern training, nutrition and medicine.
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Postby Juronimo on Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:17 am

I think if Jerry West played today, he'd be somewhere in between Steve Nash and Ray Allen. I'm sure he'd get the left hand down too. I guess back in the 60's it wasn't necessary.
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Re: JERRY WEST: THE jump shot

Postby Alleyhoops on Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:53 am

Does this sound like anyone else we know?
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Combine a deadly jump shot, tenacious defense, obsessive perfectionism, unabashed confidence, and an uncompromising will to win, and you've got Jerry West, one of the greatest guards in NBA history.

"Mr. Clutch" was an All-Star for 14 years.

West's statistical record only begins to tell his story. When the chips were down, West, with his lightning-quick release, was the guy the Lakers turned to for the big basket. Many players have been tagged with the nickname "Mr. Clutch," but none of them lived up to it as well as West did.

West was motivated by a relentless drive to succeed. Years after a game in which he hit 16 of 17 shots from the field, sank all 12 free throw attempts, and notched 12 rebounds, 12 assists and 10 blocked shots, West told the National Sports Daily, "Defensively, from a team standpoint, I didn't feel I played very well. Very rarely was I satisfied with how I played." This obsessive quest for perfection was a constant.

Equally legendary was West's tolerance for pain. On more than one occasion West had to be helped to the court before games in which he ultimately scored 30 or 40 points.

West had a level of intensity so high it could melt lead.
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Postby gcclaker on Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:16 pm

^During one Finals, I read West played with a torn hamstring.
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