Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

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Postby 24K GOLD on Fri May 11, 2012 9:47 am

Lakerman JSJ wrote:Brown yanked him from that three pointer game you referenced. Benching our 2nd best player for almost an entire 2nd half isn't a punishment? Also, he was fined for standing up Mitch. These insubordinate acts aren't being brushed over, but met with quick and necessary reprimands.

But nothing has been done to make him not repeat the same mistakes. What good are small fines for this multi-millionaire athletes if their behavior can't be helped to be corrected by people in authority?
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Lakerman JSJ on Fri May 11, 2012 9:59 am

24K GOLD wrote:
Lakerman JSJ wrote:Brown yanked him from that three pointer game you referenced. Benching our 2nd best player for almost an entire 2nd half isn't a punishment? Also, he was fined for standing up Mitch. These insubordinate acts aren't being brushed over, but met with quick and necessary reprimands.


But nothing has been done to make him not repeat the same mistakes. What good are small fines for this multi-millionaire athletes if their behavior can't be helped to be corrected by people in authority?


Again, this should fall on Bynum. Dude is a professional and a grown man. He's been punished for acting out. What would you have management do? Suspend him for a few games? Then when Drew comes back even more mentally absent, management was "too harsh"?

Again, this falls on Drew's shoulders, not anyone else's. He's not a child. He's either wired to be a competitive & responsible leader for this team or he doesn't. That's on him, no one else.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby borri on Sat May 12, 2012 6:12 pm

The Mike Brown hire is gonna end up being the downfall of this organization for the tenure of his contract. Jim wants a Bynum centric offense, but the coach he hires has lost the ear of Jim's savior.

Can't believe it turned out this way.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby odom1year on Thu May 17, 2012 7:16 am

Shame on Jim.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby John3:16 on Thu May 17, 2012 7:24 am

borri wrote:The Mike Brown hire is gonna end up being the downfall of this organization for the tenure of his contract.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Thu May 17, 2012 10:44 pm

It's the end of the Lakers as we know it
It's the end of the Lakers as we know it
It's the end of the Lakers as we know it
and Stern feels fine....
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby LTLakerFan on Fri May 18, 2012 12:18 am

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:It's the end of the Lakers as we know it
It's the end of the Lakers as we know it
It's the end of the Lakers as we know it
and Stern feels fine....


:man10: No wonder they hung it up.......
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Jporkel on Fri May 18, 2012 7:35 am

Kobe's failure to either protect or score the ball in the last two minutes of game 2 with a 5 point lead must also be Jim's fault, right?

Jim and Mitch tried to get CP3. The Lakers are one of the few top teams with a coach hired during the lockout, installing an entirely new system, with no pre season and very limited practices.

The Jim, Mike Brown and Bynum criticism is ridiculous, particularly given all of the excuses made for the player who was supposed to be our "closer."
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby LooN3y on Fri May 18, 2012 7:58 am

lol, hiring brown was a mistake, it was clear to anyone that has been watching the NBA for the past 15 years, that it was a clear mistake.


the defense will come, its not that hard, get in front of your man, help or switch if needed. it just takes effort.


offense on the other hand :bang:
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby jlkr on Fri May 18, 2012 9:22 am

I'll keep saying it: Adelman coaches offense better than anyone else who was available last summer. Mitch wanted him. Kobe wanted him or Shaw. So what does Jimmy do? Lights a blunt before taking Brown's interview and in his addled state, Brown blows him away with his sales pitch.

Defense? Brown's got that down provided he can get the effort from the team to go with the smarts to implement his schemes. I can give him that much.

Offense? When the defense holds OKC to 78 points, 41 points less than Game 1, that should be a win. Period. And that's all I got to say about that.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby kray28 on Fri May 18, 2012 9:42 am

Jimmy hired Brown because he was willing to coach for less than Adelman. Might not be the only reason, but it was the biggest reason.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby TIME on Fri May 18, 2012 9:46 am

kray28 wrote:Jimmy hired Brown because he was willing to coach for less than Adelman. Might not be the only reason, but it was the biggest reason.


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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby John3:16 on Fri May 18, 2012 9:51 am

I think (pure speculation on my part) that Brown emphasized that he'd utilize Bynum much more then Phil did (or any of the other candidates said).

That had to get Jimmy's attention. Not a bad strategy. Especially if we got CP3..... :bang:
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby brickshooter on Fri May 18, 2012 11:42 am

John3:16 wrote:I think (pure speculation on my part) that Brown emphasized that he'd utilize Bynum much more then Phil did (or any of the other candidates said).

That had to get Jimmy's attention. Not a bad strategy. Especially if we got CP3..... :bang:


I agee. Defensive specialist Mike Brown came in and started the season by ....

installing a brand new offense that featured Bynum in the low post and moving Gasol to the high post.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby VincentTH on Fri May 18, 2012 12:34 pm

Jporkel wrote:Kobe's failure to either protect or score the ball in the last two minutes of game 2 with a 5 point lead must also be Jim's fault, right?

Jim and Mitch tried to get CP3. The Lakers are one of the few top teams with a coach hired during the lockout, installing an entirely new system, with no pre season and very limited practices.

The Jim, Mike Brown and Bynum criticism is ridiculous, particularly given all of the excuses made for the player who was supposed to be our "closer."


It was Jim's fault for hiring Mike Brown. MB just played the big 3 heavy minutes, so they - and especially KB - are tired. He inserted the starting 3 at the 9 minute mark of the 4Q, and by the 2min mark KB can be seen very tired and slow to respond, therefore, the turnovers.

PJAX used to insert Kobe in at the 6 min mark, and Gasol and/or Bynum at the 4 min mark, regardless of the scores and who is leading. That's the hallmark of a hall-of-fame coach (w.r.t. player rotation).

Last but not least, do you think the problem that lays in-between Bynum's ears would happen under the Zen Master watch? I don't think so. Some people are charismatic and people respect them as their coach, some just do not have it.

IMHO, the Lakers just swallow the 8MM payout and just do it. Cut your losses before it is too late!!!!

Hopefully the TimeWarner TV deal has some clauses that say that TW can nullify the deal if the Lakers fall into Lottery domain, and that would force Jimmy's hands..... :-)
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby KB24 on Fri May 18, 2012 12:39 pm

kray28 wrote:Jimmy hired Brown because he was willing to coach for less than Adelman. Might not be the only reason, but it was the biggest reason.

thank god you were part of the hiring process...without your inside knowledge we would be screwed.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby TalkieWalkie on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:59 pm

Bump...

We blamed Brown...

We blamed Dantoni...

But the man that hired them...the man who has evaded a lot of criticism this season...
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby DHL on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:05 pm

jimmy is the reason there is no chemistry :man11:
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:10 pm

Just like evaluating horses for purchase....no sweat! :man10: :man10:
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:17 pm

If only Jimmy would just sign the checks and get out of Mitch's way.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby kenzo on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:20 pm

Hey, look. It's Jim's "turn" again :man9:
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:21 pm

TalkieWalkie wrote:Bump...

We blamed Brown...

We blamed Dantoni...

But the man that hired them...the man who has evaded a lot of criticism this season...


Well to be fair, I wanted him to die instead of Sterling's druggie son.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Weezy on Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:02 pm

TalkieWalkie wrote:Bump...

We blamed Brown...

We blamed Dantoni...

But the man that hired them...the man who has evaded a lot of criticism this season...


Actually I think if you read through the thread you'll see he didn't avoid criticism, he was torn apart by many. I think people are probably just tired of complaining about a guy that can't be fired and isn't going anywhere because really what's the point? Also, although I hate the 'Antoni hire, you can't really hate on the roster Jim was willing to pay to put together, not really his fault they have sucked IMO, but yes bad coaching hire IMO.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Lakerman JSJ on Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:29 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:If only Jimmy would just sign the checks and get out of Mitch's way.


This thread is hilarious.

Assemble an impressive roster with a ton of talent: Mitch is a god.
Hire coaches we don't like: Jim is the devil.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby JGC on Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:34 pm

Not to mention, I thought Nash was Jim's doing mainly. Kupchak was thinking it's not even worth trying and Jim made him give it a shot or something.

I really don't get the Jim Buss hate. But what do you expect, same fanbase that I believe voted their own GM, Mitch Kupchak, the worst GM of all time at one point. Someone dig THAT up.
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