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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:25 am

trodgers wrote:Personal confession: I really can't stand reading your posts of late, LGL.


You liked them before? :man3:
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby NomisR on Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:56 am

Lets Go Lakers wrote:
TIME wrote:
Center Court wrote:
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Center Court wrote:I'll be a bit more rationale and look at reality: Kobe. ... can't be the #1 on a championship team,


He hasn't played a single minute yet this year, so you know this how?

Center Court wrote:and is not all that much fun to be around.


Have you been hanging with Dwight?


He's not going to be able to carry a less than mediocre roster to a the playoffs the way he has in the past. As for a championship, you need your star to be your best player in all aspects. Do you really think that Kobe is the guy in a championship pursuit of 82 game + playoffs. Duncan and Dirk have gotten away with it because of great talent and coaching around them. Kobe is great but IMO not capable of being the #1 guy unless that next option is equally or more dominant.

I don't need to hang with Dwight to see what is right in front of us.


Point #1 - Your response indicates the issue is with the quality of his teammates. Give this year's healthy Kobe last year's Spurs team around him minus any one of their big three and he would still be the #1 guy on that team and they would win the championship. No one is saying that 2014 Kobe is going to be as good as he was 5 years ago, but no need to downgrade him just because he has a weak team around him. Championship teams can be carried by one transcendent player, but they can also be like the Spurs.

Point #2 - What does being fun to be around have to do with anything? Kareem was never fun to be around. Jordan was never fun to be around.


LOL. Kobe on a team oriented team? That's an oxymoron. No way does Kobe win a ring on that Spurs team. He would've killed the chemistry of that team. His game doesn't fit with a "the ball never stops" type offense. His game was about iso and breaking down the defense by himself and either get his own shot or create for others. Pop would have benched Kobe.


Have you been watching Kobe play these past few years. If you actually watch the games, you'll see that he actually lets the PG and other teammates guide and play for the first quarter and first half, and he just facilitates and plays off the ball. The problem is, for the past 2-3 years, we've had an inadequate PG and pretty much nobody that could create a shot other than himself so he had to be the one. It doesn't mean he needs to.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby snackdaddy on Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:58 pm

Well, if Kobe is "selfish" then give me a team full of selfish players. 5 championships and 7 finals appearances with a selfish player. I'll take the selfish player over someone else with those results.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:16 pm

snackdaddy wrote:Well, if Kobe is "selfish" then give me a team full of selfish players. 5 championships and 7 finals appearances with a selfish player. I'll take the selfish player over someone else with those results.


Even over the most skilled and second best point guard ever and the most freakishly athletic big ever?....
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby NomisR on Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:00 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
snackdaddy wrote:Well, if Kobe is "selfish" then give me a team full of selfish players. 5 championships and 7 finals appearances with a selfish player. I'll take the selfish player over someone else with those results.


Even over the most skilled and second best point guard ever and the most freakishly athletic big ever?....



5 Kobe vs 5 Magic vs 5 Shaq?

I think having 5 Shaq would win...
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Savory Griddles on Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:14 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
snackdaddy wrote:Well, if Kobe is "selfish" then give me a team full of selfish players. 5 championships and 7 finals appearances with a selfish player. I'll take the selfish player over someone else with those results.


Even over the most skilled and second best point guard ever and the most freakishly athletic big ever?....


Well, when you put it that way, I'd rather have the most skilled pg and athletic freak with their multiple second round exits.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby NomisR on Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:36 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
snackdaddy wrote:Well, if Kobe is "selfish" then give me a team full of selfish players. 5 championships and 7 finals appearances with a selfish player. I'll take the selfish player over someone else with those results.


Even over the most skilled and second best point guard ever and the most freakishly athletic big ever?....


Well, when you put it that way, I'd rather have the most skilled pg and athletic freak with their multiple second round exits.



Oh he meant CP3 and Dwight? Meh.. I'd take 5 Kobes over 5 CP3 or 5 Dwight.. if it was Magic or Shaq.. that's different.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Savory Griddles on Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:34 pm

NomisR wrote:
Savory Griddles wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
snackdaddy wrote:Well, if Kobe is "selfish" then give me a team full of selfish players. 5 championships and 7 finals appearances with a selfish player. I'll take the selfish player over someone else with those results.


Even over the most skilled and second best point guard ever and the most freakishly athletic big ever?....


Well, when you put it that way, I'd rather have the most skilled pg and athletic freak with their multiple second round exits.



Oh he meant CP3 and Dwight? Meh.. I'd take 5 Kobes over 5 CP3 or 5 Dwight.. if it was Magic or Shaq.. that's different.


Unfortunately you're giving Let's Go Lakers too much credit. Its actually a reference to B. Griffin and CP3 as LGL is a Clipper fan.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby NomisR on Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:40 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
NomisR wrote:
Savory Griddles wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
snackdaddy wrote:Well, if Kobe is "selfish" then give me a team full of selfish players. 5 championships and 7 finals appearances with a selfish player. I'll take the selfish player over someone else with those results.


Even over the most skilled and second best point guard ever and the most freakishly athletic big ever?....


Well, when you put it that way, I'd rather have the most skilled pg and athletic freak with their multiple second round exits.



Oh he meant CP3 and Dwight? Meh.. I'd take 5 Kobes over 5 CP3 or 5 Dwight.. if it was Magic or Shaq.. that's different.



Unfortunately you're giving Let's Go Lakers too much credit. Its actually a reference to B. Griffin and CP3 as LGL is a Clipper fan.



Blake Griffin isn't really up near the top 10 yet. Last year, he's moving up after regressing for 2 years in a row, but 5 Kobe > 5 CP3 + 5Griffin.

And plus, with this year's draft, Randle actually looks like a rookie Blake Griffin that has an outside shot. Based on his free throws#, it means he has the mechanics down, so he just needs the reps to bring his percentage up. So all things being equal, Randle should end up better than Griffin.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:47 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
trodgers wrote:Personal confession: I really can't stand reading your posts of late, LGL.


You liked them before? :man3:

I have no idea what has been going on in this thread but I clicked and saw these two post and went full :man10:

Thank You :bow:
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:23 am

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
trodgers wrote:Personal confession: I really can't stand reading your posts of late, LGL.


You liked them before? :man3:

I have no idea what has been going on in this thread


Same ol.... Same ol.... "Athleticism".... "Fantastic Athleticism".... "Unbelievable Athleticism"......"World Class Athleticism"..... "Freakish Athleticism"...... "Best Ever Athleticism".... Old guy jab.... "Best Athleticism in the World".... "Most Athletic (enter position here) Ever"......
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby trodgers on Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:35 am

These old claims to "greatest athlete at position X" are about to be undone. I think I read somewhere (cough) that Wiggins and LaVine are the two best at their positions.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:24 pm

:man10: 2 guys who certainly did not want to be in Minnesota without leverage for the next 4 years. Dante in Utah says hello :wave:
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:03 am

Rooscooter wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
trodgers wrote:Personal confession: I really can't stand reading your posts of late, LGL.


You liked them before? :man3:

I have no idea what has been going on in this thread


Same ol.... Same ol.... "Athleticism".... "Fantastic Athleticism".... "Unbelievable Athleticism"......"World Class Athleticism"..... "Freakish Athleticism"...... "Best Ever Athleticism".... Old guy jab.... "Best Athleticism in the World".... "Most Athletic (enter position here) Ever"......


ah the classics from the guru of basketball minds. I am sad that I have missed out on all the athleticism education. Im sure there will be much more for me to learn from the master. Im still watching hips too. :jam2:
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby gcclaker on Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:07 am

Rooscooter wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
trodgers wrote:Personal confession: I really can't stand reading your posts of late, LGL.


You liked them before? :man3:

I have no idea what has been going on in this thread


Same ol.... Same ol.... "Athleticism".... "Fantastic Athleticism".... "Unbelievable Athleticism"......"World Class Athleticism"..... "Freakish Athleticism"...... "Best Ever Athleticism".... Old guy jab.... "Best Athleticism in the World".... "Most Athletic (enter position here) Ever"......

Athleticism is nothing if you can watch their waist from a defensive position and not wasting effort on the arm. That was my mantra during my Michael Cooper wanna-be days on the court. True story.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:20 am

gcclaker wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
trodgers wrote:Personal confession: I really can't stand reading your posts of late, LGL.


You liked them before? :man3:

I have no idea what has been going on in this thread


Same ol.... Same ol.... "Athleticism".... "Fantastic Athleticism".... "Unbelievable Athleticism"......"World Class Athleticism"..... "Freakish Athleticism"...... "Best Ever Athleticism".... Old guy jab.... "Best Athleticism in the World".... "Most Athletic (enter position here) Ever"......

Athleticism is nothing if you can watch their waist from a defensive position and not wasting effort on the arm. That was my mantra during my Michael Cooper wanna-be days on the court. True story.

and dont try a hookshot
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:49 pm

gcclaker wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
trodgers wrote:Personal confession: I really can't stand reading your posts of late, LGL.


You liked them before? :man3:

I have no idea what has been going on in this thread


Same ol.... Same ol.... "Athleticism".... "Fantastic Athleticism".... "Unbelievable Athleticism"......"World Class Athleticism"..... "Freakish Athleticism"...... "Best Ever Athleticism".... Old guy jab.... "Best Athleticism in the World".... "Most Athletic (enter position here) Ever"......

Athleticism is nothing if you can watch their waist from a defensive position and not wasting effort on the arm. That was my mantra during my Michael Cooper wanna-be days on the court. True story.


GCC - I read "No Slack" by Coop many years ago on recommendation from a friend and fellow Lakers fan and loved it. Great insight on how to play D from one of the best.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Chillbongo on Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:04 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
trodgers wrote:Personal confession: I really can't stand reading your posts of late, LGL.


You liked them before? :man3:

I have no idea what has been going on in this thread


Same ol.... Same ol.... "Athleticism".... "Fantastic Athleticism".... "Unbelievable Athleticism"......"World Class Athleticism"..... "Freakish Athleticism"...... "Best Ever Athleticism".... Old guy jab.... "Best Athleticism in the World".... "Most Athletic (enter position here) Ever"......

You forgot "NBA Athleticism"
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Savory Griddles on Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:32 am

Chillbongo wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
trodgers wrote:Personal confession: I really can't stand reading your posts of late, LGL.


You liked them before? :man3:

I have no idea what has been going on in this thread


Same ol.... Same ol.... "Athleticism".... "Fantastic Athleticism".... "Unbelievable Athleticism"......"World Class Athleticism"..... "Freakish Athleticism"...... "Best Ever Athleticism".... Old guy jab.... "Best Athleticism in the World".... "Most Athletic (enter position here) Ever"......

You forgot "NBA Athleticism"


You also forgot the challenges to play him one on one where he will pick you apart.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:02 pm

Lets Go Lakers wrote:
TIME wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:***Sigh***

Again, I was replying specifically to the statement you made about today's version of Kobe going to SA and winning yet you keep talking about the past. We are talking about a 36 year old Kobe coming off serious injuries and not the guy who scored 81 in a game or 62 in 3 qtrs. That guy is long gone.

Take a chill pill bro. You are getting all riled up over nothing.


Why would you assume you know my emotional state? I don't get "riled up" answering even the most wearisome posters.

Once again you completely dodged the entire point though. It seems you have a problem staying on topic. The topic we were discussing was not Kobe's ability today vs. his ability when he scored 81. It was whether Kobe could win if he was surrounded by the Spurs team. I simply stated he could and would. You scoffed at that and chose to go waaay over the top by insisting Kobe could not play in Pop's system and Pop would bench him. Again that is blatantly ridiculous and I disproved it with Pop's own words. You were wrong. It would be easier to just own it. Instead you choose to shift the topic with each new post to avoid the inevitable.

But, I'll let the point rest and go take my scheduled chill pill before I get all riled up.


I was responding to what you said below:

"Give this year's healthy Kobe last year's Spurs team around him minus any one of their big three and he would still be the #1 guy on that team and they would win the championship."

That's a pretty bold statement. First off, we have no idea where Kobe is at during this point in time in terms of his impact on the game. Second, it is a tall order for a guy to go into a new system and be "the man" and not somehow mess up the chemistry. Basketball is a team game where players need to know each other and where they will be at certain times. For Kobe to be "the man", go into a new system, at the age of 36, coming off series injuries and being asked to play a type of ball he has never played before and thinking that's a lock for a ring? Hmm, I disagree.

Again, I'm not saying Kobe isn't unselfish. Like I said before, you don't win 5 rings without knowing how to play team ball. But his way of winning rings differed from how the Spurs won last year. I have never seen a team play that well as a unit in terms of offensive efficiency and making teams pay for overextending on D. So it was truly a TEAM championship. On the flip side, Kobe's teams have always been superstar dominant (like most championship teams are) with him having to have a major impact on the game for his teams to win.

Can it be done at age 36? Of course, anything is possible. If Kobe is completely willing to sacrifice his stats. Do I think he would? No. Too many variables.


So this is the post I am being bashed for. People call me all these names and belittle me in this thread yet they don't come back with anything constructive. As a matter of fact, don't bother. I honestly have no respect for Roos and Puss opinions. ZERO. I could care less. Cause you guys don't take the time to read what I have to say and come back with anything constructive. So I won't show you any respect either.

Everyone else, I can at least stand cause you guys at least put forth somewhat of an effort to hear what I have to say and come back with something constructive.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:07 pm

gcclaker wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
trodgers wrote:Personal confession: I really can't stand reading your posts of late, LGL.


You liked them before? :man3:

I have no idea what has been going on in this thread


Same ol.... Same ol.... "Athleticism".... "Fantastic Athleticism".... "Unbelievable Athleticism"......"World Class Athleticism"..... "Freakish Athleticism"...... "Best Ever Athleticism".... Old guy jab.... "Best Athleticism in the World".... "Most Athletic (enter position here) Ever"......

Athleticism is nothing if you can watch their waist from a defensive position and not wasting effort on the arm. That was my mantra during my Michael Cooper wanna-be days on the court. True story.


True story. The other day, I forgot to look at the hips while playing D and got taken a few times. And then I had to remind myself again to focus on the hips and I was a much better defensive player.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:40 pm

LGL,

TBH most people are amused that you so emphatically declared that Clarkson would be an NBA quality player without him having logged a minute of NBA time.

It's been a few days since that debate - but IMO athleticism alone does not get you a long career in the NBA.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Barnstable on Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:45 pm

Guys, no more fighting. This thread is supposed to be about Jim Buss, not athleticism, and not how good or bad another poster is.

Get it back on topic please.

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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:27 pm

Barnstable wrote:Guys, no more fighting. This thread is supposed to be about Jim Buss, not athleticism, and not how good or bad another poster is.

Get it back on topic please.

-Barnstable


Odd timing for this post. There were plenty of posts over the last week or so bashing me and the first post I make to defend myself, you tell everyone to get back on track.
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Re: Jim Buss = End of the Lakers as we know them...

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:32 pm

Chillbongo wrote:LGL,

TBH most people are amused that you so emphatically declared that Clarkson would be an NBA quality player without him having logged a minute of NBA time.

It's been a few days since that debate - but IMO athleticism alone does not get you a long career in the NBA.


It's not just his athleticism. It's his shot and his ability to get to the rack. Objectively, yes I realize that what I'm saying is kind of out there. But I believe in this guy. Everything I've seen of him, I like. He passes my eye test.
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