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Jeanie & Jim Buss/Mitch/FO Discussion

Postby TIME on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:14 pm

First time I have ever posted a Simers article. I loved the bolded part of the conversation between Jerry and Jim.



http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-simers-jim-buss-20120811,0,5952293,full.column

TJ SIMERS

The criticism has been relentless, Jim Buss the longhaired spoiled brat, who beyond everything else nasty that could be said, is apparently nothing like his father.

And while he's reluctant to talk about his role in acquiring Steve Nash and Dwight Howard, preferring the Lakers' "front office team" to take the bow, Jim Buss has to admit to feeling goose bumps.

It's about 9:30 Friday morning, the Lakers talking to the NBA office and finalizing the deal for Howard when Buss' phone rings.

It's his father, Jerry.

"He wanted to know the terms of the deal, the teams we were dealing with and who was going where," Jim says. "And I'm saying, 'Dad, you just got out of surgery 14 hours ago; what are you talking about? I can't even believe you're on the phone.'

"I was with him [Thursday] night and he was basically incoherent and he was going to be like that for two or three days. But now the nurse has him on the speaker phone, and while I'm thinking he's fallen off and gone to sleep again, he suddenly wants to know the money situation and who gets what and who gives what. Are you kidding me?

"So I tell him, and then I get an, 'Incredible job, Jim,' from him, and let me tell you, that erases all the insults and anything else anyone has to say. To help make him comfortable and happy, that's what I work for."


As down as everyone has been on Jim Buss, he has now turned the trade exception in letting Lamar Odom go to Dallas into Nash, Andrew Bynum into Howard and Derek Fisher into Jordan Hill.

"The team has done all that," Buss says, by way of correction, but given Nash's and Howard's back injuries, Howard not even running yet and refusing to say when he will be ready, and the age on Nash and Kobe, might the championship euphoria be premature?

"I absolutely agree," Buss says. "But you don't win by playing it safe; you have to gamble and that's what we've always done. I think if you look at this team now, it's one of the best teams we've ever had."

But who is a worse free throw shooter, Howard or Shaq?

"No one is worse than Shaq," says Buss, and the kid is starting to feel frisky,

However, if all this doesn't go well, a la Payton, Malone, Shaq & Kobe, there is no doubt who will be treated like a piñata.

"I know there are always going to be Jim Buss haters; I'm the guy replacing one of the all-time owners in sports. But people don't realize the great teachers I have had over the last 15 or so years. Put these guys as college professors and you'd have the top university with Jerry West, Magic, my dad, Bill Sharman and Phil Jackson. And what does Mitch [Kupchak] mean to me? Everything."

Funny about all the criticism of Buss. Nary a word comes from Kobe, who has never been bashful about saying he expects more from the front office.

"To see that statement from Kobe about how Howard can take his place when he's done, how great is that?" says Buss. "I've always felt Kobe can play more than the two years remaining on his contract, but we can't even sit down and talk to him about it until April 2013. I don't know how he feels, but he's been a Laker for life and I don't see that changing."

Buss sat in the audience beside his sister, Jeanie, while Howard and Kupchak sat at a table before the media. Howard accepted a Lakers' No. 12 from Kupchak, joked about his Superman cape chilling in his hotel room, and needing to iron it later. Then he did an imitation of Kobe talking, as good a chance as any to get a smile out of Kobe on the court if he does it there.

The guy is made for Hollywood, dancing away from the circus that has followed him the last year by announcing a fresh start and declining to discuss how his reputation has taken a beating.

He says he talked to Kobe by phone, and told everyone else he's willing to follow Kobe's lead, while looking forward one day to leading a team of his own to a championship.

Uh-oh, we've been down that path before.

But Friday he was all smiles, loving L.A., he says, thrilled to be here and taking in all the love from people he's met, yet unwilling to say if he will sign a contract extension next summer.

Uh-oh, we've been down that path before.

Might the Lakers be in for another Howard summer circus, or might they just be coming off a championship parade?

"How exciting is all this?" Buss says. In June he told everyone the Lakers might start the season with the same personnel as they finished — the critics quick to pounce.

"People are impatient, and I am very patient," he says. "Things change, and what changed was the opportunities. We reached out to Nash; it was a longshot, but when we did, he was intrigued.

"Fortunately, we had the trade exception or we could never have done the deal. We got extremely lucky because Steve took less money to come here. We never expected that to happen."

Buss stops to ask if I have ever met a president.

"There's a certain aura to someone like that; you can be standing right before them and it's still unreal," he says. "That's how I felt with Nash."

He says Howard has what it takes to be the future of the Lakers' franchise, Orlando calling this week out of the blue and Philadelphia's desire for Bynum making it all possible.

"There aren't many players we would trade Bynum for, but Dwight…" says Buss, and right now he's sounding as giddy as most Laker fans. "I'm seeing Dwight at the press conference, but I'm still not believing what I see."

The news conference was over, media everywhere, and on a day when everyone had a chance to detail how well things have gone, Buss left unnoticed.

They'll just get him later if things go sour.
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:20 pm

Simers writing a good article?

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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby 24K GOLD on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:22 pm

Holy [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.], December 21, 2012 is really coming by fast
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby therealdeal on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:23 pm

Good article from Simers. Still inherently negative, but had some fun bits in there anyway.
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:25 pm

Aside from the Mike Brown hire (Even the GOAT had a bad signing, Luke Walton before he annually Mitch-slaps someone), Jim Buss has had his hands in some key moves since getting a little bit more power.....

1.) Drafted Andrew Bynum

2.) CP3 fiasco with a speculated D12 deal follow up (Failure, but due to outside forces)

3.) Steve Nash

4.) Got us the best player that Drew has been in trade rumors for all these years

He deserves his props, along with Mitch, it seems like he's picked up a few things along the way and aside from the Brown move, he's earning his keep IMO.
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby The Original 81 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:26 pm

therealdeal wrote:Good article from Simers. Still inherently negative, but had some fun bits in there anyway.


Yep, probably the best you're going to get from the guy. Loved Jim's responses.
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby Weezy on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:36 pm

We haven't heard much from Jim Buss, but that's some of the best stuff I have heard from him yet. I like how he pointed out that the "team" accomplished all these moves, not taking all the credit. We've been praising Mitch all day, but without the owners giving the green light to spend money on these trades and players Mitch couldn't be making these deals, so it really is a team effort from all these guys.
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:47 pm

I never thought I would appreciate Simers' article. I sort of feel bad for Jim when I read that after the press conference he just left out the back door while everyone else was cheering and still celebrating Dwight's arrival.

I think its safe to say that we have a bright future not just because of Mitch or Jim leading us now, but also because they work so well together too.
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby Lakeshow24 on Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:54 pm

I've never read a TJ Simers article worth reading... until this one. I'm amazed. :man4:
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby gcclaker on Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:12 pm

I have to give credit to Jim Buss in how he handles snakes in the press... I have to think what helps in dealing with perceptions about him is being accessible to the public. I don't know if he is press shy or what but it's good for him not to sit there quietly and let these assumptions run wild out there. I've been guilty of that as a fan so it is comforting to see that he has the capability to manage things.

On another note, I sure hope the elder Buss is fine and in better health soon. This is the first time I've read that he is bedridden in a hospital. Then again, he probably has a hot looking nurse tending to his needs.
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby Balance&Options24 on Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:32 pm

Todays Times has a great pic of Dwight.


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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:24 pm

Balance&Options24 wrote:Todays Times has a great pic of Dwight.


Am I the only one who collects Lakers' Times headlines.


i dont even know where i can buy a physical newspaper from
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby khmrP on Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:47 am

Would he be in the position that he is now if he wasn't the owners son? No college degree, not much "moving up the ranks" and paying his due like most other NBA executives who were either former players, coaches, etc., a long laundry list of failed projects.
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby Savory Griddles on Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:20 am

khmrP wrote:Would he be in the position that he is now if he wasn't the owners son? No college degree, not much "moving up the ranks" and paying his due like most other NBA executives who were either former players, coaches, etc., a long laundry list of failed projects.


Interesting bump. :man10:
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby Sirron on Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:03 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
khmrP wrote:Would he be in the position that he is now if he wasn't the owners son? No college degree, not much "moving up the ranks" and paying his due like most other NBA executives who were either former players, coaches, etc., a long laundry list of failed projects.


Interesting bump. :man10:
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby lotus on Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:43 pm

Sirron wrote:
Savory Griddles wrote:
khmrP wrote:Would he be in the position that he is now if he wasn't the owners son? No college degree, not much "moving up the ranks" and paying his due like most other NBA executives who were either former players, coaches, etc., a long laundry list of failed projects.


Interesting bump. :man10:

Bump.

Is jimmy going to speak to Lakers fans before the season is over? Or will he continue to let there frustration boil over as these embarrassing losses mount?
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby CarFlagChris on Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:49 am

Savory Griddles wrote:
khmrP wrote:Would he be in the position that he is now if he wasn't the owners son? No college degree, not much "moving up the ranks" and paying his due like most other NBA executives who were either former players, coaches, etc., a long laundry list of failed projects.


Interesting bump. :man10:


True, Jim Buss was untrained, uneducated and now proven to be a failure.
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:36 pm

CarFlagChris wrote:
Savory Griddles wrote:
khmrP wrote:Would he be in the position that he is now if he wasn't the owners son? No college degree, not much "moving up the ranks" and paying his due like most other NBA executives who were either former players, coaches, etc., a long laundry list of failed projects.


Interesting bump. :man10:


True, Jim Buss was untrained, uneducated and now proven to be a failure.


The same things were said about a Playboy Real Estate Tycoon buying the Lakers as a toss in while making a huge real estate deal. Jim might not be Jerry but I do think he's the scapegoat way too much for circumstance.
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby Snakell Beast on Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:25 pm

Way too early to judge his tenure at this time, but so far I am not happy at all :disagree:
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby John3:16 on Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:53 pm

I'm no fan of Jimmy Buss, but we all applauded his moves to get CP3, Howard, and Nash. They backfired, but it's not because he wasn't trying. No one bats a thousand. We're in a good position after this year. Just gotta get rid of his biggest blunder: A'ntoni.
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:17 pm

John3:16 wrote:I'm no fan of Jimmy Buss, but we all applauded his moves to get CP3, Howard, and Nash. They backfired, but it's not because he wasn't trying. No one bats a thousand. We're in a good position after this year. Just gotta get rid of his biggest blunder: A'ntoni.

Thank you. Its nice to see and hear of another poster who doesn't just want to kill and be done with Jim. Like the TJ Simers article said when Jim was talking about his strategy, Jim always wants to take a chance on things. He did it with Bynum (drafting/finding him), he tried to do it with the CP3 trade, and obviously pulled up the Howard and Nash trades with Mitch's help.

It's like the old saying you can't be a hero if your too afraid to take the big shot during a game. Jim isn't afraid to shoot, but your right MDA needs to go.
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby khmrP on Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:58 am

^^^You guys give him way to much credit for those acquistions....just cause he says "yes" to something already laid out on a silver platter for him doesn't mean he was the brain trust behind it all. Only Nash story seem to be a solid confirmation of Jim taking the initative to remind Mitch to make sure he tries that route. Bynum was found by a scout, Jim just super seceded everyone else who at time seem to have been rumored to like Sean May, so he only deserves half the credit. He didn't discover anything, the scout at the time just asked mgmt. to take a look at Bynum. Why does he get credit for Howard trade when all reports before that trade was Jim wouldn't trade Bynum for anything, how do we know it wasn't Mitch who had to talk him into it?
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby lotus on Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:27 pm

John3:16 wrote:I'm no fan of Jimmy Buss, but we all applauded his moves to get CP3, Howard, and Nash. They backfired, but it's not because he wasn't trying. No one bats a thousand. We're in a good position after this year. Just gotta get rid of his biggest blunder: A'ntoni.

Nash trade - didn't Phoenix get the better end of this deal? I'd take those trades back right about now. We are stuck with a guy who can't even run, and the Lakers are lucky that he only has another $9MM year left. Great. I know hindsight is 20/20, but 38yrs of age is 38yrs of age.

A little ironic, no?:
It had been anticipated that Phoenix would offer Nash a new two-year deal worth at least $20 million, but the Arizona Republic reported Friday night that the Suns "do not appear willing to meet (Nash's) wish for a three-year deal." On draft night last week, Suns officials immediately began fighting the perception that they selected North Carolina point guard Kendall Marshall with the 13th pick as the first step in dealing with Nash's eventual departure.
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D12 - didn't D12 coming here have more to with D12 shopping for a new team? I mean, if it were all jimmy, then why did he not sense that dwight wasn't staying and trade him by the trade deadline? Or, why did he have the 3 people that dwight didn't like, (MDA, Nash and Kobe), to the final meeting to get him to stay? No credit for jimmy on that. I'm glad D12 isn't here, but not glad that he left for free.

CP3 - don't know what to say about that mystery, so I'll give jimmy credit for that even though it's odd that such a rare/unique situation like that occurs when he is involved. Bad luck or cursed? I'm not a big fan of CP3, so I didn't much care, even though he would have helped this lame team, when he wasn't hurt.

Time will tell about jimmy, but not feeling comfortable about him so far.
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby John3:16 on Mon Mar 10, 2014 6:22 pm

lotus wrote:
John3:16 wrote:I'm no fan of Jimmy Buss, but we all applauded his moves to get CP3, Howard, and Nash. They backfired, but it's not because he wasn't trying. No one bats a thousand. We're in a good position after this year. Just gotta get rid of his biggest blunder: A'ntoni.

Nash trade - didn't Phoenix get the better end of this deal?


Definitely, which is why I stated they backfired. We'd all go back and change the trade outcomes, but at the time, we all loved the moves.
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Re: Jim Buss gets the last laugh: Simers Article (no really)

Postby Lakeshow24 on Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:50 pm

Buss gets dissed for passing on Phil Jackson. I don't know when I'll remove my signature.
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