Jodie Meeks Discussion: Defensive Liability

Murdock · by **Murdock** on Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:18 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:He's streakier than your average shooter ... he has to shoot better with the type of players he's surrounded by and the type of looks he's getting ...

I like his overall energy and his effort on D but he's no stopper on this end of the world , if he doesn't hit his 3s he's useless ...

The "getting another shooter" part was more overreaction and being pissed off we can't find a solid 40-42% ish 3pts sniper for years more than anything else

I still think we should have pull the trigger on C.J. Miles ... would be nice to have some 3 who can shoot ... because people are right - besides Nash and Meeks there are no 3 point shooters on this team

Pig Miller · by **Pig Miller** on Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:34 am

Murdock wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:He's streakier than your average shooter ... he has to shoot better with the type of players he's surrounded by and the type of looks he's getting ...

I like his overall energy and his effort on D but he's no stopper on this end of the world , if he doesn't hit his 3s he's useless ...

The "getting another shooter" part was more overreaction and being pissed off we can't find a solid 40-42% ish 3pts sniper for years more than anything else

I still think we should have pull the trigger on C.J. Miles ... would be nice to have some 3 who can shoot ... because people are right - besides Nash and Meeks there are no 3 point shooters on this team

don't think cJ miles is the solution, even though he's shooting better this year, he's a career 34% 3 point shooter. not exactly scaring anyone with that %.

Rooscooter · by **Rooscooter** on Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:34 am

Streak shooter being streaky.... I hope he develops the parts of his game that would smooth out those streaks.... like being able to use his athleticism to get to the hoop and actually finish or a mid range game.

abeer3 · by **abeer3** on Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:10 pm

eh, i think he is what he is. at his price, he's a bargain, imo. i really like his attitude on the floor--dude goes hard. it's not always pretty, but i haven't questioned his effort on either end at any point this year, and that's more than i can say for almost everyone else on the squad.

that play where he got swatted twice at the rim, went to the floor to get the loose ball, then got up, sprinted to the corner and nailed the three was sort of a microcosm of his play so far this year: some bad, some good, all effort.

charvin · by **charvin** on Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:04 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Meeks is a streak shooter.... he always has been from what I understand. He'll go on a tear soon enough but it will be followed by another slump. Very few deep shooters are consistent on every night outside of Ray Allen and Reggie Miller...

He's looking better and more comfortable in the other facets of his game to me even if he isn't hitting the J's right now. Still don't want him handling the ball much however.

I'm interested in your thoughts (as well as everyone else) on the definition of a "consistent" 3 point shooter. As great a deep threat as Allen and Miller are, they still have off nights and from that, I would never put consistent for a deep threat specialist.

karacha · by **karacha** on Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:44 pm

I would not call Allen consistent. One of the greats, for sure, but look at his last 3 games:

0-1
2-7
1-5

Otherwise, he's shooting over 40%.

charvin · by **charvin** on Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:11 pm

That's why, IMO, I'm very hesitant to say that there are consistent, 3 point shooters. Sometimes, they go in, sometimes, they don't and that's what the team has to live by.

Ariza3 · by **Ariza3** on Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:16 pm

Meeks believes that the Lakers will be fine, mostly because of their leader. "I heard a lot of things about playing with Kobe [Bryant], and a lot of them were bad," Meeks said. "But it turns out that most of that stuff must have been made up. He's been a mentor to me. He works hard every day. He's the ultimate pro." Philadelphia Inquirer

escobar8 · by **escobar8** on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:43 pm

awful just awful game...i could forgive him missing so many 3s...but i cant forgive him being so pathetic at the fast break or when ever he attacks the rim...its usualy brick...he rarely draws the fouls...its like watching old fisher playing again...so just pass the rock and stick to shooting...

DHL · by **DHL** on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:44 pm

he sucks

lakersyunowin · by **lakersyunowin** on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:45 pm

stop driving and getting your a** blocked

Pig Miller · by **Pig Miller** on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:45 pm

jodie, a few words of advice: mid-range jumper.

wcsoldier81 · by **wcsoldier81** on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:47 pm

Yeah Meeks will be fine , he's just streaky I was told ... dude is missing so many wide open looks you would think it's Ronnie Brewer or Tony Allen whose shooting

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:50 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:Yeah Meeks will be fine , he's just streaky I was told ... dude is missing so many wide open looks you would think it's Ronnie Brewer or Tony Allen whose shooting

can't hit WIDE open shots and gets blocked consistently going for layups, yea he'll be fine :man10:

phoenixrisingla · by **phoenixrisingla** on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:50 pm

Smush 2.0

Armani · by **Armani** on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:50 pm

Is this normal for shooters? He hasn't hit anything out there for a while now, and it's killing us.

wcsoldier81 · by **wcsoldier81** on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:51 pm

khmrP wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:Yeah Meeks will be fine , he's just streaky I was told ... dude is missing so many wide open looks you would think it's Ronnie Brewer or Tony Allen whose shooting

can't hit WIDE open shots and gets blocked consistently going for layups, yea he'll be fine

I'm not saying he'll be fine ... I was told he'll be fine :man10:

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:01 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:
khmrP wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:Yeah Meeks will be fine , he's just streaky I was told ... dude is missing so many wide open looks you would think it's Ronnie Brewer or Tony Allen whose shooting

can't hit WIDE open shots and gets blocked consistently going for layups, yea he'll be fine

I'm not saying he'll be fine ... I was told he'll be fine

his game is sorta a reflection of our team play, good once in a while very bad on most nites.

Ariza3 · by **Ariza3** on Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:42 am

ice cold. still stays on floor bc of effort. Pau should learn something from him even though Pau still stays on the floor bc hes a "star"

dont like meeks missing that many wide open 3's he could have easily started the game 3/3 from downtown but every shot rimmed out. guys gotta get it together asap.

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:57 am

he's starting to give me that "fake hustle" feeling like I got from Sasha, looks like he's trying hard but don't actually accomplish much defensively and his shot selection is piss poor a lot of the time.

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:10 pm

I never thought Sasha "fake hustled". I think he hustled, but it just was never good enough.

I'm not getting that from Meeks yet. He's still able to play passing lanes occasionally. His shot isn't falling though and he's still trying to put the ball on the floor too often.

phoenixrisingla · by **phoenixrisingla** on Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:23 pm

therealdeal wrote:I never thought Sasha "fake hustled". I think he hustled, but it just was never good enough.

I'm not getting that from Meeks yet. He's still able to play passing lanes occasionally. His shot isn't falling though and he's still trying to put the ball on the floor too often.

Good analysis of his game.

We need him to spread the floor, but his shot is ICE cold.

So he tries to drive the hoop, only to realize a few dribbles in that he isnt very good at that.

I feel for the kid as I can tell he's trying, but he is murdering us out there.

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:28 pm

Unfortunately it was telling last night that he played only 6 minutes and we were pretty successful. He's a perfect fit for D'Antoni's system, but at the same time he's a perfect example of why D'Antoni's system can fail. Quick shots are quick rebounds are quick possessions for the opposition. Jodie is good at quick shots, but that means we give up more points than we get.

He needs to keep shooting, but not necessarily the way he has been shooting. More shots in the half court used as spacing for our bigs. Less shots in transition or semi-transition with a hand in his face.

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:40 pm

therealdeal wrote:I never thought Sasha "fake hustled". I think he hustled, but it just was never good enough.

I'm not getting that from Meeks yet. He's still able to play passing lanes occasionally. His shot isn't falling though and he's still trying to put the ball on the floor too often.

thats what I meant by "fake hustle" effort is there just no tangible results. Meeks isn't able to guard his guy most of the time but unfortunately thats a result of 2 things to me, #1 he is undersize 2 which directly results in getting mis match more often then not against bigger/stronger players #2 he also gets beat off the dribble as well.

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:31 pm

Hm... I think his biggest problem is the first one. He's short and his arms aren't very long. He can't defend the modern day two guards all that well.

That being said, as long as we put him on a guy that's not necessarily a scorer, it's no big deal. The problem with that is we need to put Nash in that position. For instance last night, it would have been nice to put one of those two on Green or Jackson since San Antonio had Parker and Ginobili in. That leaves one of them defending a good perimeter player which puts us in a tough spot.

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