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Postby Ariza3 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:13 pm

Blake/Meeks backcourt will be more than fine for our bench. Duhon will prob get mins during garbage time unless he outplays Blake during training camp. But i doubt it bc Mike Brown loves Blake and now cant do anything with but play backup PG...sorry no backup SG for Blake now thank god!

Blake will play better this year with Meeks next to him. Meeks will play pretty well and seems to have the right mentality of playing backup to kobe
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby therealdeal on Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:54 pm

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... you.


Ah, just making sure with all these Blake/Duhon jokes flying around. :man12:

I'm kidding :man10: it definitely wasn't you. It was bruddah.


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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby Ariza3 on Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:57 pm

Meeks is not known as a great defensive player, but he ranked No. 1 among shooting guards in opponent PER last season, holding opposing 2-guards to a mere 8.5 PER, according to 82games.com. Granted, opponent PER is not a flawless statistic, and it can be impacted by team defense (Philadelphia was the third-best defensive team in the NBA last season), but at the very least, it’s clear that Meeks is an above-average on-ball defender, and at best he's an outstanding one, on the level of players like Dwyane Wade and Ronnie Brewer.
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby therealdeal on Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:33 am

To me the point of Jodie Meeks' defense has been over-underrated. We all know now that he is actually an above average on-ball defender, but because we all keep hearing he's a good defender we're going to expect the world.

I'm really looking forward to having him on this team, I think he's going to make a lot of people very happy. But I'm not expecting him to come in and Thabo Sefalosha people. I'm expecting him to come in and be a very good role player.
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby Tobias Funke on Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:43 am

If he can knock down open jumpers at a decent percentage and at the very least not get lit up on defense, I'll be pleased. Overtime hopefully I'll have reason to expect more, but the horrible bench we had last season has just left me scarred.
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby therealdeal on Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:57 am

^ The great news is, no matter what happens we'll have a better bench than last season (barring injury of course).
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby revgen on Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:12 pm

therealdeal wrote:To me the point of Jodie Meeks' defense has been over-underrated. We all know now that he is actually an above average on-ball defender, but because we all keep hearing he's a good defender we're going to expect the world.


I don't think anybody is expecting the world. We're just expecting something better than Glock or Kapono. I don't think we'll be disappointed.
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:42 pm

Meeks is not a top flight bench player...... if he was we wouldn't have gotten him for what we got him for..... WTS... he's going to be better than what we've had and he seems to have a balanced game, some quickness and speed..... things I haven't seen off the bench for a long time on this team....

If he and Blake can provide some pesky defense and shoot the 3 our second unit will have some great success.... the problem last year was that our only shooter (Blake) was also the primary ball handler.... the few times Goudelock got it going we had success.... If Meeks can do that consistently it will open up a bunch of things for the second unit..... and just maybe we won't be playing close games in the 4th with Kobe at 40 minutes all year...
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby last stand on Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:49 pm

i don't want kobe, pau, or nash on the floor for 40 minutes unless we are playing OKC, miami, san antonio

otherwise i hope to god we can severly limit their minutes. i'm praying 32-34 at most
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:57 pm

last stand wrote:i don't want kobe, pau, or nash on the floor for 40 minutes unless we are playing OKC, miami, san antonio

otherwise i hope to god we can severly limit their minutes. i'm praying 32-34 at most


Nash will be at around 32 at most...... he may be in physically great shape but 40 is 40..... Kobe needs to be at or around that 32 minute mark as well. Pau will play more IMO this year than last.... at least at the start of the year. We have no offensive back-up center and he will fill that role primarily as well as the starting PF... I expect him to be at 36 minutes or so.
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby therealdeal on Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:51 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Meeks is not a top flight bench player...... if he was we wouldn't have gotten him for what we got him for..... WTS... he's going to be better than what we've had and he seems to have a balanced game, some quickness and speed..... things I haven't seen off the bench for a long time on this team....

If he and Blake can provide some pesky defense and shoot the 3 our second unit will have some great success.... the problem last year was that our only shooter (Blake) was also the primary ball handler.... the few times Goudelock got it going we had success.... If Meeks can do that consistently it will open up a bunch of things for the second unit..... and just maybe we won't be playing close games in the 4th with Kobe at 40 minutes all year...

Well to be fair, what he got was basically what their value has been limited to because of the new CBA. Guys like him, Barbosa, and CJ Miles would have gotten more a few years ago, but because of the new CBA, they get peanuts by comparison.

Unless we see some injuries this season, we shouldn't see Kobe top 40 minutes a game very often. Meeks is very capable of playing those minutes.
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby GoldenKnight on Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:13 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
last stand wrote:i don't want kobe, pau, or nash on the floor for 40 minutes unless we are playing OKC, miami, san antonio

otherwise i hope to god we can severly limit their minutes. i'm praying 32-34 at most


Nash will be at around 32 at most...... he may be in physically great shape but 40 is 40..... Kobe needs to be at or around that 32 minute mark as well. Pau will play more IMO this year than last.... at least at the start of the year. We have no offensive back-up center and he will fill that role primarily as well as the starting PF... I expect him to be at 36 minutes or so.


39 not 40...1 year makes a huge difference at that age.
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:17 pm

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last stand wrote:i don't want kobe, pau, or nash on the floor for 40 minutes unless we are playing OKC, miami, san antonio

otherwise i hope to god we can severly limit their minutes. i'm praying 32-34 at most


Nash will be at around 32 at most...... he may be in physically great shape but 40 is 40..... Kobe needs to be at or around that 32 minute mark as well. Pau will play more IMO this year than last.... at least at the start of the year. We have no offensive back-up center and he will fill that role primarily as well as the starting PF... I expect him to be at 36 minutes or so.


39 not 40...1 year makes a huge difference at that age.


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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:57 am

I wouldn't be surprised if Brown uses Kobe as the backup SF this season ...

I don't think Brown likes/trusts Devin game enough to play him on a consistent basis .. and if Devin doesn't quickly show he can be a reliable backup .. I don't expect Kobe minutes to go significantly down ... unless we keep blowing teams up
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby GoldenKnight on Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:37 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
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last stand wrote:i don't want kobe, pau, or nash on the floor for 40 minutes unless we are playing OKC, miami, san antonio

otherwise i hope to god we can severly limit their minutes. i'm praying 32-34 at most


Nash will be at around 32 at most...... he may be in physically great shape but 40 is 40..... Kobe needs to be at or around that 32 minute mark as well. Pau will play more IMO this year than last.... at least at the start of the year. We have no offensive back-up center and he will fill that role primarily as well as the starting PF... I expect him to be at 36 minutes or so.


39 not 40...1 year makes a huge difference at that age.


preaching to the choir on that one...... :man10:

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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:28 am

I know it's only one game, but the tweets and comments make it seem like Ebanks/Meeks are fighting for minutes at the backup 2, while Jamison plays the 3, Hill the 4 and Pau getting the luxury of a big workload again at the backup 5.

If so Brown has already found a way to screw up.....

Meeks can actually play and light it up from downtown and can play defense. He is a perfect backup SG, Ebanks is a defensive SF and plays like one. Why eff with a solid second unit like that by putting players in a position where they won't maximize their strengths?
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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:44 am

Because he's Mike Brown :wink:
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby kray28 on Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:48 am

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:Because he's Mike Brown :wink:


Let's reserve judgment after one preseason game where he basically threw all the camp fodder to the wolves in the second half just to see how big the train wreck would be.

That being said, any wariness about Brown is totally understandable. I think he's quite capable of screwing this up.
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Postby karacha on Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:28 am

kray28 wrote:
KareemTheGreat33 wrote:Because he's Mike Brown :wink:


Let's reserve judgment after one preseason game where he basically threw all the camp fodder to the wolves in the second half just to see how big the train wreck would be.


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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby kenzo on Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:33 am

Jodie will be pissed. He took a big pay cut to back up Kobe, not to fight for minutes with Ebanks :freak2: Dafaq is MB thinking :disagree:
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Postby davriver290 on Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:39 am

I really hope this was just to decide who to cut out of the camp fodders. Meeks playing with these jokes? come on! This guy should've been out with Nash, or Blake and Jamison.
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:53 am

It's one preseason game, so I'm not upset about it. What I'm worried about is Meeks' mentality because he has BEEN practicing with those guys. Not to mention we've all heard Brown talk about Hill's "natural backup 4" position which pushes Jamison up.

I'm worried that Meeks becomes upset here and doesn't get his chance because he's a solid young player and what he showed me on the court yesterday was good defense and a solid stroke. I want to see him backing up Kobe Bryant, not Ebanks.
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby Lakerjones on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:17 am

It's no secret that Brown has some really screwed up ideas and a real lack of faith in his young players. We saw that last year with the two point guard lineup of Sessions and Blake and his treatment of guys like Ebanks and GLOCK.

I just hope that he doesn't do too much of that nonsense that he's already doing again it seems. I didn't see the game as I'm still stuck in limbo with DirecTV. But it bums me out that he's doing this kind of thing once again. I understand that at least it's preseason and not when it counts. It's just that he tends to get stuck in these weird arbitrary decisions he makes.

I think if push comes to shove, the FO will say something to him about playing Meeks at back up 2. They won't stand for too much nonsense as shown by the fact that they brought in Eddie Jordan and Bernie Bickerstaff. There's no way that they will allow him to favor Ebanks at the two when he's only a got a one year, last chance contract. Plus we are so thin at the SF, we need him there where he can really develop. He's never going to be a 2 in this league - he doesn't have the range. He's a slasher and a mid-range shooter as well as a defensive 3.

Brown seems to have no intuitive recognition of what his personnel are good at that, though. That's one thing that's always been glaring to me and I think it truly hinders his ability as a coach. It's a pretty brutal missing gene for a head coach. You have to understand your personnel and how to use them. I'm unconvinced that he has that ability.
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:26 am

^^^ Agreed on those points LJ.

To add to that, playing Jamison at the 3 without a PF that can cross match with him on the defensive end is going to really make Jamison ineffective.

He's not going to be able to keep up with the small forwards in the league and on the other end, he's not going to be able to take advantage of bigger players playing him and stretch the floor effectively. He's the perfect stretch 4 for D12 and Ebanks as you said is the prototype for a defensive SF not SG.

Say we play Miami, is Jamison going to guard Lebron? What about OKC and Durant? You can't switch him and Ebanks on the defensive end because Jamison would have to guard Wade/Harden and you can't switch him and Hill either. Playing Jamison at the 3 is just going to cause problems down the road vs. good teams.

Blake / Meeks / Ebanks / Jamison / Hill.....Nice bench

Blake / Ebanks / Jamison / Hill / Pau.....nightmare and you're running Pau into the ground at the backup 5

Conclusion - Playing Meeks at the 2 solves all these problems.
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Re: Welcome To The Lakers Jodie Meeks (Page 12, 2 years $3 mil)

Postby Punk-101 on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:30 am

therealdeal wrote:It's one preseason game, so I'm not upset about it. What I'm worried about is Meeks' mentality because he has BEEN practicing with those guys. Not to mention we've all heard Brown talk about Hill's "natural backup 4" position which pushes Jamison up.

I'm worried that Meeks becomes upset here and doesn't get his chance because he's a solid young player and what he showed me on the court yesterday was good defense and a solid stroke. I want to see him backing up Kobe Bryant, not Ebanks.

Hill didn't play one minute at center last night which is troubling. His new found offense has given Brown a Boner. Hill at pf screws everything up, pushing Jamison to sf and Ebanks to sg. Play Hill at center and everyone else slides down to where they need to be. Hill's jumpshot may be a curse. (if those crap lineups were more than preseason tinkering)
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