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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby Tragic on Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:05 pm

shannon brown went through this...kwame brown too..
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Family Member

Postby Chopper on Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:07 pm

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XXIV wrote:Why would you wait 4 weeks to report a beating? Oh wait that's because you're probably a gold digger. :disagree:


Yeah but the problem is then at what point to do you want set the statute of limitations on an assault? 2 weeks? 3 days? 24 hours?

Maybe she was afraid. Maybe she thought she would try to work it out with him and after 4 weeks decided it wasn't worth it and decided to file then. I mean ... I know it's inconvenient for us, but I'm not sure how the fact that she waited 4 weeks to file can ONLY mean it never happened.


The statute of limitations is for the DA to decide if they can make a case. A victim sitting on an accusation raises suspicions.

This is not a civil lawsuit. If the woman thought criminal activity took place, she would have reported it immediately, regardless of whether they were working it out or not. Especially since he was traded and moving out of the state too. And if she was so afraid, she did she not go immediately to the police for protection, instead of asking the very guy she is supposed to be afraid of for a plane ticket?

as for thinking he is guilty, the Constitutionally guaranteed right is a presumption of innocence.
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:16 pm

Hill made a statement regarding all of this....

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Jordan Hill statement: "I'm saddened to learn of the accusations that were filed against me today...My attorneys are working to gather all of the facts and evidence and I plan to cooperate completely with authorities. I'd like to apologize to the Lakers. I promise to keep my focus and attention on the playoffs during this time and to helping my team win another championship.


Took all the tweets and put them together.

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Jordan Hill is here at Lakers practice. I assume he will be flying out later to Houston.
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:18 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Hill made a statement regarding all of this....

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I swear this FO has more leaks than the F'ing Iraqi Navy.

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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:35 pm

bruddahmanmatt wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Hill made a statement regarding all of this....

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I swear this FO has more leaks than the F'ing Iraqi Navy.

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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:39 pm

lakerswiz wrote:A public statement by the PR department isn't a leak.


Bruh, it's a picture of the actual statement. Who does that?
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby JGC on Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:41 pm

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JGC wrote:I love how people are discounting this when there could be a real victim at play here. Best bet is to let the situation play itself out, and let justice take its course rather than assume no Laker player has ever been legitimately charged with a crime and that all non-Laker players are definitely guilty.


People are discounting it because:

1. It sounds fishy.
2. Due process

If there's a real assault, you don't wait 4 weeks to file charges, with no physical evidence to boot.

All Hill needs is a halfway decent lawyer here. They can't convict him based on the evidence that supposedly exists. I mean, you could file charges, and have it go to trial, but Hill would be acquitted....because there's no proof that he committed the assault. Unless there were witnesses to that actual assault.

If there were eyewitnesses, he would have been charged long ago.


From where have you obtained an evidence list or additional details of the case? I haven't seen anything other than a sound bite that he has been charged and what he allegedly did.

How long to wait for "real" assaults? 3 weeks?
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby last stand on Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:43 pm

Lol if she really flew back right after the incident and her friend saw her bruises she would have called immediately. Even if the girlfriend was afraid the friend wouldn't have been. Also what is she afraid of. Shewas in Florida and he was in Houston. Unless he can teleport she was pretty safe
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby kosstick on Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:45 pm

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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:46 pm

The Vikings Cornerback Chris Cook went through a similar incident. He was actually put in jail and charged with assault for something very similar.... after the smoke cleared...... 4 months later.... the case was thrown out after it was found out that the fight was started by the girlfriend and that Cook retaliated after he was hit in the head with a lamp.....

He had to "defend" himself at his own cost, was suspended by the Vikings and was front page material for a while..... the acquittal was page 16 news as was the description of the entire incident...... as it always is it seems......

We'll see in this case..... a few things don't seem to add up for this to be a serious assault case..... timing is a little suspect to me.
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Family Member

Postby JGC on Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:50 pm

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Maybe she was afraid. Maybe she thought she would try to work it out with him and after 4 weeks decided it wasn't worth it and decided to file then. I mean ... I know it's inconvenient for us, but I'm not sure how the fact that she waited 4 weeks to file can ONLY mean it never happened.


If she was afraid, that's when you go immediately to the police.

If she was trying to work it out? Are you suggesting that would be a legitimate reason to delay a month to file charges? Criminal charges are not something you file on a relationship's whim. Either he committed a crime worthy of charges or he did not. If he did, you file. If he didn't you don't. But either way the last thing you do is decide based on whether you still want him as your boyfriend.

He may well have assaulted her, but there is no valid justification for flying to another city, then waiting a month to file charges.


Obviously, you don't follow the piles upon piles of research on crime victims and why so often, they fail to report the crimes committed against them. In fact, many studies indicate that more crimes are NOT reported, than are reported. The reason? Embarassment & fear are among the top two.

If you had a child who was let's say assaulted and he or she didn't tell you about it for a year, I wonder if you'll tell them they are lying because real victims go to the police immediately. Would you?

Are you among the "Free Jerry Sandusky" troupe because those guys took WAY more than 4 weeks to report the crimes?

You're right. Either he committed the crime or he didn't. I totally agree. So what relevance does the time it took to report it have to do with anything? Either he did it or he didn't, RIGHT? (Or are you arguing that if you take X hours to report it, then it physically could not have happened?)
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:58 pm

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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Family Member

Postby last stand on Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:02 pm

JGC wrote:
Obviously, you don't follow the piles upon piles of research on crime victims and why so often, they fail to report the crimes committed against them. In fact, many studies indicate that more crimes are NOT reported, than are reported. The reason? Embarassment & fear are among the top two.

If you had a child who was let's say assaulted and he or she didn't tell you about it for a year, I wonder if you'll tell them they are lying because real victims go to the police immediately. Would you?

Are you among the "Free Jerry Sandusky" troupe because those guys took WAY more than 4 weeks to report the crimes?

You're right. Either he committed the crime or he didn't. I totally agree. So what relevance does the time it took to report it have to do with anything? Either he did it or he didn't, RIGHT? (Or are you arguing that if you take X hours to report it, then it physically could not have happened?)


Oh god it's the tapes again. This time in the form of piles and piles of crime victim research just handy for this thread
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:05 pm

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lakerswiz wrote:A public statement by the PR department isn't a leak.


Bruh, it's a picture of the actual statement. Who does that?

What's easier. Taking a picture of a written document you just received via fax and sending it via text message. Or rewriting the entire response in a text message?


Again I ask you, "who does that?" How many credible reporters/writers would use a PICTURE of a statement to get the word out? How lazy is that?
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby kosstick on Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:07 pm

lakerswiz wrote:
bruddahmanmatt wrote:
lakerswiz wrote:A public statement by the PR department isn't a leak.


Bruh, it's a picture of the actual statement. Who does that?

What's easier. Taking a picture of a written document you just received via fax and sending it via text message. Or rewriting the entire response in a text message?


Lol you are right.. When I turn in my papers for class I just snap pics of each page and text it to my Professor.
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:09 pm

kosstick wrote:
lakerswiz wrote:
bruddahmanmatt wrote:Bruh, it's a picture of the actual statement. Who does that?

What's easier. Taking a picture of a written document you just received via fax and sending it via text message. Or rewriting the entire response in a text message?


Lol you are right.. When I turn in my papers for class I just snap pics of each page and text it to my Professor.


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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby Weezy on Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:12 pm

Obviously none of us know if he did it or not, but I think most would agree that the timing is suspicious. It's very similar to the Shannon Brown and Kwame Brown incidents, both of which nothing ever came of other than being distractions. Some part of me thinks we'd never have heard a thing about this had Hill not gotten playing time against the Thunder and become a rotation player.
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:13 pm

lakerswiz wrote:
bruddahmanmatt wrote:
lakerswiz wrote:What's easier. Taking a picture of a written document you just received via fax and sending it via text message. Or rewriting the entire response in a text message?


Again I ask you, "who does that?" How many credible reporters/writers would use a PICTURE of a statement to get the word out? How lazy is that?

You do realize who posted this picture on Twitter, right?


Do you know who actually took the picture?
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Family Member

Postby TIME on Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:19 pm

JGC wrote:
Obviously, you don't follow the piles upon piles of research on crime victims and why so often, they fail to report the crimes committed against them. In fact, many studies indicate that more crimes are NOT reported, than are reported. The reason? Embarassment & fear are among the top two.

If you had a child who was let's say assaulted and he or she didn't tell you about it for a year, I wonder if you'll tell them they are lying because real victims go to the police immediately. Would you?

Are you among the "Free Jerry Sandusky" troupe because those guys took WAY more than 4 weeks to report the crimes?

You're right. Either he committed the crime or he didn't. I totally agree. So what relevance does the time it took to report it have to do with anything? Either he did it or he didn't, RIGHT? (Or are you arguing that if you take X hours to report it, then it physically could not have happened?)


So, I need to "follow the piles upon piles of research on crime victims" to be able to recognize right from wrong?

Your child example has zero correlation to this situation. She is not a child.

No, I do not want Jerry Sandusky freed. I think both the assistant that observed the one incident and Paterno who received his report should have been held responsible for not reporting the crimes. But again, you are trying to muddy the waters of this issue by comparing it to child molestation. What Hill is accused of doing has nothing to do with child molestation.

The time delay is very relevant. DA's take the time frame of a reported assault into account in their decisions whether to file or not. In a delay like this it becomes a judgment call.

But since you like to consider hypotheticals, consider this extreme example. What if the woman waited five years to file the report? Would you not want to consider what may have motivated her to delay so long from the other perspective? Your presumption that she had a valid reason for the delay is just as knee jerk as the posters that have already pegged her as a gold digger.
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:19 pm

lakerswiz wrote:Doesn't matter who took the picture. The Lakers official twitter posted it.


Yes, but whose shadow is that on the paper?
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby The Rock on Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:21 pm

https://twitter.com/#!/Mike_Bresnahan/status/197087341091880960

Hill may have found way 2 avoid court Tues. From his agent: "Jordan will spend the night in his bed in L.A., preparing for tomorrow's game.


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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:26 pm

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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby kray28 on Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:29 pm

bruddahmanmatt wrote:
lakerswiz wrote:Doesn't matter who took the picture. The Lakers official twitter posted it.


Yes, but whose shadow is that on the paper?


The Insider's?
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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:33 pm

kray28 wrote:
bruddahmanmatt wrote:
lakerswiz wrote:Doesn't matter who took the picture. The Lakers official twitter posted it.


Yes, but whose shadow is that on the paper?


The Insider's?


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Re: Jordan Hill Charged? For Choking Ex Girlfriend (back in Feb)

Postby jlkr on Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:45 pm

She lost her meal ticket. Nice...

Just too many red flags here to indicate otherwise. Takes a month to report it. Loses her temper and throws his cell phones on the floor? Trust me, you do not want to be around a woman who does that. I only wish I was not speaking from experience. Booking her ticket back to FL was the smartest thing he did. If it ever actually goes to trial, it will be her word against his. In this day and age, that might be enough to get him. He better have a good lawyer.
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