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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby trodgers on Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:39 pm

From Rotoworld:

Jordan Hill's role will decrease under Mike D'Antoni.
"There will be room for Jordan but his role has changed a little bit," Coach Mike D'Antoni said. "There'll be a spot for him but again, we're going to try to get up-tempo and to be able do that, Antawn (Jamison) needs to play the four." Jamison has produced some nice stats with the second unit and is on the radar in standard leagues. Jordan Hill can be cut across the board.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Punk-101 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:46 pm

Hill is a steal for the $$ and Ebanks is a somewhat nice young prospect. Pair those two with Blake's contract and we might get a real nice backup SF?
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby trodgers on Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:49 pm

I've said elsewhere, if we trade Hill, we're in trouble. That would push Sacre into the rotation (just a bit). And one injury would mean that Sacre would have to play heavy minutes. I don't like that thought.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Punk-101 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:57 pm

Very true. Kmart FA fo' cheap?
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby trodgers on Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:59 pm

He probably would be a good fit for the system. If we made that trade, we'd HAVE to get some big to add to the mix somehow. If neither Clark nor Sacre is getting minutes, there are reasons for it.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby lotus on Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:07 pm

trodgers wrote:From Rotoworld:

Jordan Hill's role will decrease under Mike D'Antoni.
"There will be room for Jordan but his role has changed a little bit," Coach Mike D'Antoni said. "There'll be a spot for him but again, we're going to try to get up-tempo and to be able do that, Antawn (Jamison) needs to play the four." Jamison has produced some nice stats with the second unit and is on the radar in standard leagues. Jordan Hill can be cut across the board.

Am I missing something? Is not Jordan Hill a very mobile, hustling, up tempo big? Why can't he be considered a mobile backup center, or forward playing with Pau when Jamison is not in the game?

Sounds like dantoni is going to have a soft euro team approach. Run and gun, but get their butts kicked when they play tough teams. The Thunder bigs must be licking their chops.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby revgen on Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:23 pm

D12 is going to be playing a lot of minutes. With Jamison playing the 4 spot now instead of the 3, that leaves Jordan stuck playing the backup 5. Not a lot of minutes there.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Center Court on Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:27 pm

lotus wrote:
trodgers wrote:From Rotoworld:

Jordan Hill's role will decrease under Mike D'Antoni.
"There will be room for Jordan but his role has changed a little bit," Coach Mike D'Antoni said. "There'll be a spot for him but again, we're going to try to get up-tempo and to be able do that, Antawn (Jamison) needs to play the four." Jamison has produced some nice stats with the second unit and is on the radar in standard leagues. Jordan Hill can be cut across the board.

Am I missing something? Is not Jordan Hill a very mobile, hustling, up tempo big? Why can't he be considered a mobile backup center, or forward playing with Pau when Jamison is not in the game?

Sounds like dantoni is going to have a soft euro team approach. Run and gun, but get their butts kicked when they play tough teams. The Thunder bigs must be licking their chops.


We have the best Center in the NBA on our team who should play 34-38 mins a game.
We have a "pf" who is better suited at C.
We have a 6th man whi is a stretch 4 which compliments all the other parts on this team very well.

Meaning, Dwight gets the bulk of the mins and then Pau gets most the rest. Pau gets half at PF and Jamison gets the rest. Clearly, Pau is better at C and Jamison is more effect as PF.

It sucks there are not enough mins to go around, but that's the realty when you have a loaded roster. And we are loaded at the C/PF.

He's a difference maker but facts are facts and he is the end of the totem pole...

If I were Mitch I;'d be looking to trade Pau for a very good SF and a spare big man. Then let Antwan start and Hill get big mins.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Johnnyboy on Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:37 pm

Start Hill. Move pau to the bench and play Jamison at the 4 with pau. Pau would still play huge min. just like odom. What second string center can stop pau in the post?

Dantoni wants offense? Hill gets offensive rebounds, which in turn...creates more offense and more possessions. Jordans jumper has gotten better. He can operate 8-10ft from the rim. That gives howard room to do his thing.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:09 am

Center Court wrote:
lotus wrote:
trodgers wrote:From Rotoworld:

Jordan Hill's role will decrease under Mike D'Antoni.
"There will be room for Jordan but his role has changed a little bit," Coach Mike D'Antoni said. "There'll be a spot for him but again, we're going to try to get up-tempo and to be able do that, Antawn (Jamison) needs to play the four." Jamison has produced some nice stats with the second unit and is on the radar in standard leagues. Jordan Hill can be cut across the board.

Am I missing something? Is not Jordan Hill a very mobile, hustling, up tempo big? Why can't he be considered a mobile backup center, or forward playing with Pau when Jamison is not in the game?

Sounds like dantoni is going to have a soft euro team approach. Run and gun, but get their butts kicked when they play tough teams. The Thunder bigs must be licking their chops.


We have the best Center in the NBA on our team who should play 34-38 mins a game.
We have a "pf" who is better suited at C.
We have a 6th man whi is a stretch 4 which compliments all the other parts on this team very well.

Meaning, Dwight gets the bulk of the mins and then Pau gets most the rest. Pau gets half at PF and Jamison gets the rest. Clearly, Pau is better at C and Jamison is more effect as PF.

It sucks there are not enough mins to go around, but that's the realty when you have a loaded roster. And we are loaded at the C/PF.

He's a difference maker but facts are facts and he is the end of the totem pole...

If I were Mitch I;'d be looking to trade Pau for a very good SF and a spare big man. Then let Antwan start and Hill get big mins.

The way Ron is playing now that he's in shape, I'd opt for more of a SF/PF type than an elite SF. Guys like Batum, George, Melo who can play 3 but are also quasi starters at the 4. I really like Batum & George for this team in the Shawn Marion role. We'd upgrade both foward spots, & with Pau gone, Hill could get all of the backup minutes at C.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby KB24 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:51 am

We need to sit pau's sore azz for now with knee issues and play hill.

That's exactly why we wanted 4 solid bigs. To be able to rest hurt players. If we don't use it now, its a waste.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:04 am

he went from best player off the bench to the odd man out fairly quickly. kind of expected that to happen when d'antoni took over.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby wcsoldier81 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:09 am

Told you so ... if you're not an offensive player with MDA , you don't play , simple as that
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Murdock on Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:28 am

CaCHooKa Man wrote:he went from best player off the bench to the odd man out fairly quickly. kind of expected that to happen when d'antoni took over.

problem is that he doesn't have the skill set to play solid 4 in the NBA ... he needs somewhat reliable jumper and it is simply not there ... and he isn't combo 3/4 as Jamison is ... he would be an ideal back up C for us ... problem is that those minutes go to Pau because he needs them ... see my point? if he just had a solid 15 foot jumper (he has nice technique unlike dwight, he is just not consistent)
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby lotus on Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:03 am

Murdock wrote:
CaCHooKa Man wrote:he went from best player off the bench to the odd man out fairly quickly. kind of expected that to happen when d'antoni took over.

problem is that he doesn't have the skill set to play solid 4 in the NBA ... he needs somewhat reliable jumper and it is simply not there ... and he isn't combo 3/4 as Jamison is ... he would be an ideal back up C for us ... problem is that those minutes go to Pau because he needs them ... see my point? if he just had a solid 15 foot jumper (he has nice technique unlike dwight, he is just not consistent)

I'm not understanding this. Since when does being a hustling, extra effort, aggressive, defending, rebounding, making the plays push over Pau doesn't make, machine not qualify as a legitimate 4?

Wasn't dantoni' Pheonix Suns' weakness that they didn't have tough defenders? Wasn't that the one thing that would keep them from winning a championship? So it's the Lakers turn now to have an offensive machine with a weakened defense.

Who's going to protect D12 when it gets tough in the paint and opposing bigs are hard fouling him? Or when he gets in foul trouble, which he is prone to do?
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby The Rock on Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:42 am

I hope Pau play's his mins only with the starters. THat opens up mins for Hill at backup C with the 2nd unit. Pau doesn't impose himself offensively and post up and neither is he defending well. Just sit him, conserve his legs and play Hill more and give him a role
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby karacha on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:12 am

lotus wrote:Wasn't dantoni' Pheonix Suns' weakness that they didn't have tough defenders? Wasn't that the one thing that would keep them from winning a championship?


That sounds logical, but actually it wasn't the lack of D that hurt them. Their offense was so good and potent that playing tough defense wasn't even necessary. They failed few times in the WCF because they had injuries and suspensions to key players and this prevented them from beating San Antonio. Good defense would have helped, yes, but it wasn't crucial.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:15 am

karacha wrote:
lotus wrote:Wasn't dantoni' Pheonix Suns' weakness that they didn't have tough defenders? Wasn't that the one thing that would keep them from winning a championship?


That sounds logical, but actually it wasn't the lack of D that hurt them. Their offense was so good and potent that playing tough defense wasn't even necessary. They failed few times in the WCF because they had injuries and suspensions to key players and this prevented them from beating San Antonio. Good defense would have helped, yes, but it wasn't crucial.


And the fact that Dwight is our center instead of Amare, and we have Metta on the perimeter is a hell of a lot different.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby khmrP on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:16 am

Hill should get more minutes at backup C IMO, Pau minutes need to decrease.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:23 am

10-12 minutes a game from Hill at C shouldn't be an issue. His activity, rebounding and defense is much more welcome than Pau's soft offense.

30 minutes from Pau at PF, then 18 for Jamison off the bench.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:58 am

lakerfan2 wrote:10-12 minutes a game from Hill at C shouldn't be an issue. His activity, rebounding and defense is much more welcome than Pau's soft offense.

30 minutes from Pau at PF, then 18 for Jamison off the bench.

As long as Pau keeps missing jumpers & failing in general at PF, he'll get minutes at C. The last thing they're going to do is let him lose all of his value. He's already looking like the facebook ipo.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby davriver290 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:43 pm

I would have Jordan Hill play 10-15 minutes at C position..... leave the PF 20 mins or so for Jamison
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Murdock on Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:53 pm

lotus wrote:
Murdock wrote:
CaCHooKa Man wrote:he went from best player off the bench to the odd man out fairly quickly. kind of expected that to happen when d'antoni took over.

problem is that he doesn't have the skill set to play solid 4 in the NBA ... he needs somewhat reliable jumper and it is simply not there ... and he isn't combo 3/4 as Jamison is ... he would be an ideal back up C for us ... problem is that those minutes go to Pau because he needs them ... see my point? if he just had a solid 15 foot jumper (he has nice technique unlike dwight, he is just not consistent)

I'm not understanding this. Since when does being a hustling, extra effort, aggressive, defending, rebounding, making the plays push over Pau doesn't make, machine not qualify as a legitimate 4?

Wasn't dantoni' Pheonix Suns' weakness that they didn't have tough defenders? Wasn't that the one thing that would keep them from winning a championship? So it's the Lakers turn now to have an offensive machine with a weakened defense.

Who's going to protect D12 when it gets tough in the paint and opposing bigs are hard fouling him? Or when he gets in foul trouble, which he is prone to do?


todays 4 usually need some shooting ability ... Randolf, O'neal in his prime was capable, Timmy has gotten better, Pau, usually you need some shooting from your C and PF combination and if need to play Gasol at 5 some times Hill gets pushed to 4 and he needs to shoot consitently, he doesn't ... MDA offense needs shooters ... simple as that
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Johnnyboy on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:02 am

Start hill and make Pau the sixth man. Problem solved
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