Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

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Postby LakerFanIam on Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:51 pm

^^^ No Trade Clause is automatic in this type of one year deal/Bird Rights/Team Option... The Lakers didn't give him a no trade clause.. It's in the CBA


& the large contract is a business move, not a representation of Hill's worth... Basically, the Lakers now have the option of taking $9mil off the books next year or the year after to pursue any FA option.... Makes sense if we're not making a big splash this year.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:39 pm

The FO's plan seem obvious to me: they want a zero cap heading into 2016 to get Durant. I just think that is a terrible idea. There is a chance Durant stays put with WB and Ibaka. He seems like the type of guy who is loyal. Our Laker brand has lost a lot of its luster over the years. We don't get the same ohh and ahh from the league anymore. In the past, almost any superstar would've considered it an honor if we wanted them to come here. Now, we are desparate for any superstar to come here.

What we should be doing is doing the dirty work of scouting for young talent to acquire and develop. But this Hill sign is another indication we are only focused for 2016. Sad.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby Weezy on Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:45 pm

Star players aren't coming here with no decent roster in place along with money. Melo just proved that, LeBron just proved that, you have to have a team they want to play for. Our current plan of getting a coach and players after a star, is stupid.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby therealdeal on Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:43 am

Weezy wrote:Star players aren't coming here with no decent roster in place along with money. Melo just proved that, LeBron just proved that, you have to have a team they want to play for. Our current plan of getting a coach and players after a star, is stupid.

I wouldn't say stupid about the coach part. I'd say misguided.

They thought it would be an attractive piece to a star player to be able to have input on the coach. Turns out that was wrong. That's alright, this FO is newer at this than most. They'll learn.

Now we'll hire Byron and get back to establishing our culture again. I see it coming and I'll enjoy it.

I think the team will respond to Byron nicely. Guys like Hill, Randle, and Lin are hard workers who will put in time to get better. Byron will appreciate that.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby Weezy on Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:46 am

Or, it'll be Byron's time in Cleveland all over again...

Our roster freakin sucks, no coach is going to look good with them, I'd even feel bad for 'Antoni with this team.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby therealdeal on Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:48 am

Wow go to bed man you're really down about this whole thing. :man10: :man5:

Take a night and sleep on it, it's not that bad. We're going to struggle, but I promise you're going to like this team. They're going to work their butts off and that's all I can ask for.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby syl on Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:51 am

excited to see this team surprise a few :man11:
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby trodgers on Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:56 am

therealdeal wrote:What the hell is an implicit no trade clause?

Chris Mihm had one when he was with us, too. If we have your rights and sign to an only one-year guaranteed contract, you get veto power.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby trodgers on Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:57 am

This is probably overpaying according to some standard, but it's not a crazy contract. Hill is at this point a better player than Gasol, and he's likely to pick up a double double in under 30 mintues per night - and he's also our best defender. I'm not sure what many of you are thinking.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby lotus on Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:47 am

trodgers wrote:This is probably overpaying according to some standard, but it's not a crazy contract. Hill is at this point a better player than Gasol, and he's likely to pick up a double double in under 30 mintues per night - and he's also our best defender. I'm not sure what many of you are thinking.

I think he and Randle will fit nice. Lots of energy and boards. Is there any chance Sacre has improved? It's been 2 years now, he should be able to bang at this point with his size and mobility.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby trodgers on Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:54 am

Sacre was an end of the draft guy who has become a guy who isn't a complete liability on the floor. I don't think he'll become much more than a 10 minute per night guy, but it's good to have him on the team at a cheap price given our situation.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby abeer3 on Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:00 am

therealdeal wrote:Take a night and sleep on it, it's not that bad. We're going to struggle, but I promise you're going to like this team. They're going to work their butts off and that's all I can ask for.


could have said the same about last year's team, but pretty much everyone was done with them by the midway point. at least there's randle, a guy who figures to be here long-term, to watch. so that's better than last year's mercenary squad. but I think the on-court results might be even worse.

as for this particular contract...if you can't trade him during the season, that makes me like it less. but hill is a useful player. I worry about him as a 30mpg guy, though. he seems too fragile for that. especially at c.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby therealdeal on Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:50 am

abeer3 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Take a night and sleep on it, it's not that bad. We're going to struggle, but I promise you're going to like this team. They're going to work their butts off and that's all I can ask for.


could have said the same about last year's team, but pretty much everyone was done with them by the midway point. at least there's randle, a guy who figures to be here long-term, to watch. so that's better than last year's mercenary squad. but I think the on-court results might be even worse.

as for this particular contract...if you can't trade him during the season, that makes me like it less. but hill is a useful player. I worry about him as a 30mpg guy, though. he seems too fragile for that. especially at c.

Unless Kobe plays only 6 games again, we're not going to be worse than last year.

I'm kind of excited that everyone is freaking out like this. It means they'll have the lowest expectations when the season starts and be pleasantly surprised when we win 40 games.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:57 am

trodgers wrote:This is probably overpaying according to some standard, but it's not a crazy contract. Hill is at this point a better player than Gasol, and he's likely to pick up a double double in under 30 mintues per night - and he's also our best defender. I'm not sure what many of you are thinking.


Here's my take..... His per is so high and we've implied a no-trade all because we want him off the books either next year or the year after. To me this lines up two more off seasons of swinging for the fences. If the front office really saw value in Hill they'd offer the 4 year contract and make the per a more reasonable amount.

To me this is nothing more than filling a slot with a player that has a following with nothing more in mind that getting rid of him at a point in the future. This isn't a "building" maneuver.... it's a practice swing in the on deck circle....

The last thing I want to see is this continued flailing at building a team through FA.... the Lakers have never done that...... and the new CBA is more restrictive than ever before in doing that approach. It smacks of all the front office being interested in is the next "Star" rather than actually having a plan to put a TEAM on the floor that has some intelligent thought behind it's composition.

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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby trodgers on Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:28 am

I think you're right he's a contract designed to be moved; it's a building block even if it's not directly building now. Will the FO misplay this? I don't know. Will any big FAs want to come to LA regardless? I don't know.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby JSM on Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:32 am

My problem with the contract is this -- regardless of what state the franchise is in, I don't like handing out contacts double what someone is worth (give or take a million). Hill isn't what we need up front as a starter and that's the worst contract of the summer if you're giving him that to come off the bench. Loyalty and keeping some of the band together is great and all, most laker role players over stay their welcome. We have a very bad track record of keeping players past their value for non basketball reasons. I like Hill, he's a great first big off the bench. He hustles his butt off, he attacks the boards, he's a team first guy you don't have to run plays for or worry about his touches. But with that motor comes a limitation of 28 minutes, at best. He can't sustain his level of play playing starter minutes, try it and he'll flame out mid season and/or get hurt again. Not to mention with the level he plays at, he's more susceptible to foul trouble.

I also don't like him next to Randle on D. Hill is a weak side defender. With Randle you need a man defender more so than a weak side shot blocker.

I agree Hill is our only defender, but if you only have one, you might as well have none. You can't design a system around him and he can't anchor your D. So if you're going to not worry about D, you might as well go all in. Hell, could've gotten Kaman back at half Hill's price.

And if we can't trade him, the contract makes even less sense. Why would he waive his no trade clause? He'll be starting for the LA Lakers (prestigious gig), in LA (desirable living destination), and with how few options we have, he might be able to put up numbers good enough to get a similar deal elsewhere when this one runs out. Contenders like him, but he wouldn't get the PT from them and they wouldn't want to pay a backup that kind of cash.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:36 am

The last top tier FA to come here.... the only one in fact.... was Shaq. He was in his mid 20's and we had a team loaded with tradable assets and had just drafted Kobe. Other than that we've never "attracted" FA.

To keep trying that with 30 year olds in this CBA environment seems to ignore the history of how the franchise has operated in the pre-Mitch days.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby southbaylakers72 on Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:37 am

Does this mean Kobe is not only ready to play but thinks he has 2 more years in him -after this deal expires? Not as 24 but as a bench player chasing a ring and who doesn't mind getting paid a much smaller deal to stick around? 2016 is a long way off. I like hill and guess it means no Monroe
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby frankrj on Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:31 pm

Weezy wrote:Or, it'll be Byron's time in Cleveland all over again...

Our roster freakin sucks, no coach is going to look good with them, I'd even feel bad for 'Antoni with this team.

$18 Mil over 2 years, that' just Hill-sanity.. even $9 mil for 1 year is ridiculous.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:43 pm

Wow. That's pretty negative there.
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