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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:25 am

There goes that idea. :man10:

I wonder what Ding is referring to then.
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Re: Jordan Hill: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil (Team option 2nd year)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:43 am

Doc Brown wrote:
It appears that Kobe Bryant was somewhat pushing the Lakers to re-sign Hill, according to Yahoo Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski, who says that Bryant has “long been an advocate to re-signing him.”

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Happy Birthday, Jordan Hill!

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:29 pm

Today, Jordan turns 27. Happy birthday, Jordan!

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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby kenzo on Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:59 pm

What's with all these b-days lately :man9:
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:42 pm

Eric Pincus @EricPincus · 3h
Note: Lakers cannot trade Jordan Hill to the Suns or to any team - until 1/15/15 - that was a bad rumor to begin with - hasn't improved.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby therealdeal on Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:12 am

That's why I said we're not in on Bledsoe because Hill finally signed his contract.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby LakerJack on Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:49 pm

Can Kobe turn him into the new Bynum?
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby therealdeal on Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:14 am

Probably not.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby khmrP on Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:37 am

LakerJack wrote:Can Kobe turn him into the new Bynum?


naw...but the good character/attitude and 2 good knees should be good enough for us :man10:
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby SFGOLDRUSHER on Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:58 am

Does anyone out there think this was possibly a WINK-WINK deal&pretty much a front loaded contract&he will end up resigning at a reduced rate while we continue to try&add championship type star players?
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby therealdeal on Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:26 pm

SFGOLDRUSHER wrote:Does anyone out there think this was possibly a WINK-WINK deal&pretty much a front loaded contract&he will end up resigning at a reduced rate while we continue to try&add championship type star players?

Seems possible, but I think it's more likely that he will try to use us for leverage. He gets one season of great pay, but if he plays up to his contract he could get paid really nicely elsewhere.

Meanwhile we'll try to turn Ed Davis into Hill's replacement if Hill plays himself out of our contract range.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby SFGOLDRUSHER on Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:00 pm

therealdeal wrote:
SFGOLDRUSHER wrote:Does anyone out there think this was possibly a WINK-WINK deal&pretty much a front loaded contract&he will end up resigning at a reduced rate while we continue to try&add championship type star players?

Seems possible, but I think it's more likely that he will try to use us for leverage. He gets one season of great pay, but if he plays up to his contract he could get paid really nicely elsewhere.

Meanwhile we'll try to turn Ed Davis into Hill's replacement if Hill plays himself out of our contract range.


Second year is team option right? I just think theres no way we gave him 9 million after the type of season he had...not like he lit it up. I mean look at how much we got Davis for. I havent watched tape on Davis to be completely honest,have heard great things and seems like he has potential but my point is how much better is Hill honestly than him? Thats why Im thinking this is the way we got around the NBA loop hole&we front loaded his contract&than we will decline second year option& hell resign with us for a reduced rate to "Continue to build what he helped started&simply couldnt see himself leaving the city and the organization that helped him get to where he is today" :man12: lol.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby therealdeal on Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:06 pm

Hey I hear you. I think it's definitely possible. I think if Lin has a good season, then he'll get a Young type contract offer from us this summer. Something where he gets a reasonable amount of money for 3-4 years.

I'd love Jordan Hill to be back long term, but I see it more like when New Jersey gave that 12 million dollar contract to Kris Humphries: overpay for a couple years to keep him around so that you can move him easily if you have an opportunity.

The good news is that the situation is open and fluid. If Jordan performs up to his per 36 stats indicate, then he'll earn a ton of money and he has the opportunity to do just that.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby LakersN4 on Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:26 pm

Hill's situation is the ultimate flexibility move. We have a chance to see what we have with Randle/Hill/Davis before we decide what direction we should go with a long term big contract in the frontcourt. There are a ton of very good bigs available in free agency & we have nothing stopping us from landing any of them. & there's nothing stopping us from keeping Hill around for Nick Young money if he doesn't live up to his current contract.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:14 am

Basically, if we strike out on Gasol, Monroe, Aldridge...etc., we still have Hill on contract to move forward.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:03 am

LakersN4 wrote:Hill's situation is the ultimate flexibility move. We have a chance to see what we have with Randle/Hill/Davis before we decide what direction we should go with a long term big contract in the frontcourt. There are a ton of very good bigs available in free agency & we have nothing stopping us from landing any of them. & there's nothing stopping us from keeping Hill around for Nick Young money if he doesn't live up to his current contract.


Agreed. I am not sold on Hill as a starting C for long term. But for this season it'll do. After that we'll see what we've got and who's available moving on. For now, it's fine.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby SFGOLDRUSHER on Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:53 pm

LakersN4 wrote:Hill's situation is the ultimate flexibility move. We have a chance to see what we have with Randle/Hill/Davis before we decide what direction we should go with a long term big contract in the frontcourt. There are a ton of very good bigs available in free agency & we have nothing stopping us from landing any of them. & there's nothing stopping us from keeping Hill around for Nick Young money if he doesn't live up to his current contract.


So youre saying we overpayed for him just to simply see how he works alongside our PFs pretty much? I will have to respectfully disagree. If that was the case we wouldnt have traded for Lin&for example "overpay"for Stephenson for a year w/2nd year team option to see how he plays alongside Kobe&see what direction they want to go in...Obviously that didnt happen lol.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby therealdeal on Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:09 am

No we overpaid Hill because we needed a big man, but we didn't want him for very long. I'm guessing that was the number he needed to settle for one season. We wanted to make sure we had a ton of money available next summer to make a run at a cornerstone type of player like Marc Gasol or Rajon Rondo.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby LakersN4 on Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:36 am

therealdeal wrote:No we overpaid Hill because we needed a big man, but we didn't want him for very long. I'm guessing that was the number he needed to settle for one season. We wanted to make sure we had a ton of money available next summer to make a run at a cornerstone type of player like Marc Gasol or Rajon Rondo.

Pretty much.. We overpaid because there were no big men we wanted to commit to long term, so we had to pay extra to make this a deal we can get out of after 1 year if we want to sign a big on the FA market long term.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:28 am

We didn't want to commit to anyone long term. I lay even odds that we won't have Young for his duration unless he reverts to his WA days under Scott. That contract was made to trade.

Hill's contract was a gift from Kobe it looks like. Not sure how that contract in anyway helps this team rebuild......
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:05 pm

Rooscooter wrote:We didn't want to commit to anyone long term. I lay even odds that we won't have Young for his duration unless he reverts to his WA days under Scott. That contract was made to trade.

Hill's contract was a gift from Kobe it looks like. Not sure how that contract in anyway helps this team rebuild......


Hill could be traded officially on 1/15/15 on what is an essentially expiring contract. We'll have 30 days from that point to trade him if we so choose; the trade deadline is Feb 15th...if not, we'll decline his team option next year when we find a better replacement hopefully during FA next year
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby therealdeal on Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:05 pm

Available cash is helpful the way we're trying to rebuild. If Hill earns a new contract, we can give him one. If he doesn't we can move on. Good for finding pieces to build around instead of giving a lot of guaranteed money to somebody we don't trust.

I think Davis could end up hurting Hill's chances of getting a huge paycheck. Davis might not have the same kind of motor as Hill, but he's a better shot blocker and still a proficient rebounder. Davis could end up being the bargain of the summer and could be the young guy we give a contract to.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Sat Aug 16, 2014 5:57 pm

Davis are redundant ttttherealdeal wrote:Available cash is helpful the way we're trying to rebuild. If Hill earns a new contract, we can give him one. If he doesn't we can move on. Good for finding pieces to build around instead of giving a lot of guaranteed money to somebody we don't trust.

I think Davis could end up hurting Hill's chances of getting a huge paycheck. Davis might not have the same kind of motor as Hill, but he's a better shot blocker and still a proficient rebounder. Davis could end up being the bargain of the summer and could be the young guy we give a contract to.


Hill and Davis are redundant, IMO. I am betting that Jordan will be shopped this trade deadline just as he was last year when he was rumored to be going to Brooklyn. A contending team may need another productive Big; GS is a team that comes to mind. If
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby therealdeal on Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:27 pm

lukewaltonsdad wrote:
Davis are redundant ttttherealdeal wrote:Available cash is helpful the way we're trying to rebuild. If Hill earns a new contract, we can give him one. If he doesn't we can move on. Good for finding pieces to build around instead of giving a lot of guaranteed money to somebody we don't trust.

I think Davis could end up hurting Hill's chances of getting a huge paycheck. Davis might not have the same kind of motor as Hill, but he's a better shot blocker and still a proficient rebounder. Davis could end up being the bargain of the summer and could be the young guy we give a contract to.


Hill and Davis are redundant, IMO. I am betting that Jordan will be shopped this trade deadline just as he was last year when he was rumored to be going to Brooklyn. A contending team may need another productive Big; GS is a team that comes to mind. If

Who are you quoting? :man3: :man3:

Also, Hill's contract has a de facto no trade clause in it so we can't trade him without his permission. If he's shopped, he'll only go to the place he wants to go.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion: Back for 2 yr/$18 mil

Postby halekulani on Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:06 am

wow no trade clause for a role player you're over paying?

bigger risk than i anticipated.
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