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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby Center Court on Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:46 pm

I wonder how this fits in with the Dwight plan...

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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby Barnstable on Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:07 pm

Wow! I fully expected to not get Hill back this off season.

This is a really happy surprise to me.

Jamison/Hill is a fantastic backup for this team.
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:22 pm

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BDG wrote:I'm curious how much better he'll look if he's on the floor with Nash ...

Don't forget he can pick & pop as well.


Everyone is saying how good everyone on our team is going to look with Nash..... unless he's playing 48 minutes a game a lot of these guys will have to look good with Blake because I'll bet Nash gets less than 5 minutes a game with the second unit....


I wish we could clone Nash so that we COULD have him on the floor for all 48.

What I'd really like to see is Nash in while Kobe is out and visa versa. This let's Kobe do his ball dominant thing for stretches or fill the playmaker role as needed. Nash gets to do his ball dominant thing and make everyone else look good. Nash, along with Jamison, can keep the second unit good enough to compete with the starters of all but the top tier teams in the league, allowing our other starters to get rest without worrying about games slipping away from us.


You hit on the one part that gives me a little pause about getting a ball dominant guard like Nash..... How does Kobe mesh with him after being the entire focus of the offense for 16 years?.... It might take a month or two before they find the best way to co-exist.

As for Nash's minutes.... I'd be surprised if he plays much more than 30 a game..... at least I hope not.... unfortunately that leaves too many minutes for Blake...
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby JLaker17 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:55 pm

You need players like Hill coming off the bench...good signing.
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby karacha on Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:04 pm

I am surprised... But this is another good signing by Mitch. I'd go for another shooter/scorer if at all possible and we're done with the bench IMO.
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby Psychobroker on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:18 am

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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby borri on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:21 am

Good.
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby Psychobroker on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:24 am

As for overpaid, how's that possible when he turned down more from Kaaaaahhhhnnnn?

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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby KB24 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:42 am

Hill is not overpaid...even McRoberts gets like 3.5 mio. or so...

really Hill could have gotten 6 mio. I'm sure. He is still 24 and he showed some promise.

He is never going to be special but as long as he brings the energy off the bench to the Lakers, thats good.
I really can't think of too many backup bigmen that are much better than him...
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:47 am

He was the only reliable bench player last season so it is a good move at a good price ... the paint rotations are very solid , now we need to adress the 2 and 3
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby Center Court on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:50 am

No doubt this is a GREAT (re)signing. J Hill is exactly the type of PF/C this team needs off the bench.. energy, rebounding, defense. I fully did not expect this.

My only question is how to Hill and Jamison split mins? Jamison is a 6th man type player, J Hill is a third big man. How will it work?

I'm no doubt stoked to have such a DEEP front court, but I'm curious as to how this will all work. Especially if Dwight is a Laker. Maybe slide AJ down to the 3 at times?

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I guess everybody could drop down at times and play mins, maybe even give Ebanks the majority of backup mins at SG?

All I know is that so far this off-season gets an A. The only downer was losing Sesh to be our backup (damn you Blake) but with Dwight to LA still looming, Mitch is about to put together one of the best off-seasons in Laker history.
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby purp n gold on Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:27 am

YA BUDDY!

This team is starting to look pretty strong. Like others have mentioned, we're a backup 2 or combo-guard away from being done with our roster. A Dwight would be nice, but thread isn't about him.

O let's do it Jordan! :jam2:
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby therealdeal on Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:58 am

As much as I like Jordan and I appreciate him wanting to be here, I'm definitely wondering about the implications going forward. Here's my big hope:

1. Jordan wanted to be here, so the Lakers decided hey if he wants to be here that badly, we need a guy like that around. Now we've got 3 players who came to LA to win.

2. This means we can't use him as a sign and trade chip anymore. I was hoping we could use him to flip for Rush since he has been a fairly hot commodity and Golden State needs a big.

3. Hopefully this means either there is a plan B for Rush or that a Dwight trade is coming soon and would bring back a SG/SF type.
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby KB24 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:23 am

therealdeal wrote:As much as I like Jordan and I appreciate him wanting to be here, I'm definitely wondering about the implications going forward. Here's my big hope:

1. Jordan wanted to be here, so the Lakers decided hey if he wants to be here that badly, we need a guy like that around. Now we've got 3 players who came to LA to win.

2. This means we can't use him as a sign and trade chip anymore. I was hoping we could use him to flip for Rush since he has been a fairly hot commodity and Golden State needs a big.

3. Hopefully this means either there is a plan B for Rush or that a Dwight trade is coming soon and would bring back a SG/SF type.


realdeal, there is another factor to this...it kind of frees up Gasol a little bit...which means if we get a great offer for him for a wing or something, the Lakers might pull the trigger, start Jamison and have Hill as their 3rd big off the bench. Also its really not a given to have Bynum healthy all-season. We might see him get hurt somehow (hopefully not). I think the Lakers might play Bynum less minutes (around 30 hopefully) and have Gasol move to C. I also think Bynum works better with Jamison and Gasol works better with Hill so we have some flexibility there as well.

Overall the Lakers can't add talent and lose talent at the same time. In order to win, we need to have a surplus in talent (by a wide margin)...losing Sessions, Barnes...adding Nash and Jamison. Now assuming we would lose Hill too...we would be better but probably still not good enough.

Also should the Lakers realize they can't use him, they can still trade him at the deadline. I'm also hoping they can trade McRoberts who is now beyond redundant. Memphis was ready to trade him for OJ Mayo 2 years ago... :bang: too bad thats gone.

But I think he can be moved EASILY. One year contract on the cheap and he still has some upside to play 10-15 minutes on a lesser team easily.
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby karacha on Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:05 am

The depth and quality of our front court is unbelievable right now. And who knows... Maybe we're going to play Jamison at the 3 a lot? Just a thought.

Other options: trading Pau, but only if a great opportunity arises. Or trading McBob for a "small" (shooter?). I don't think Mitch is done yet. It's pretty obvious he's trying to win a championship or two now.
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby trodgers on Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:32 am

I don't see Hill as overpaid. Not at all.

Jason Thompson overpaid at $6M? He's an 11/7 guy in his career, is only 26 this season.

Ilyasova at $9M is paid on speculation. Last three years has gone 10/6, 10.6, and 13/9. 13/9 with three-ball range (shot 46% last year, 36% in his career), is a luxury. Outperformed his counterpart at every position he logged minutes last year. He's a nice player. Admittedly there is some hope that he continues to improve just a bit, but that's part of the nature of contracts.

Lopez...what a strange case. His career numbers are big: 17/8, 50% shooting. But he has gotten better and better at scoring and worse and worse at just about everything else. When your seven footer can't grab five boards in 36 minutes, you're in trouble. Doesn't even shoot the three. Doesn't defend. He's overpaid. At $9M, would you rather have him or Ilyasova?
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby Lagos on Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:27 am

I really wanted this to happen. I can't name a better backup Big on the league right now.

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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby LakerFan247 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:49 am

Im glad we got hill, this was a great signing. Now we need a nice shooter/defender off the bench and we're set. I think that mcrob will be traded for what we are looking for. Maybe even a package of mcrob and goudelock i think
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby Phil XI on Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:27 am

J Heeeeeeeeeezzzzy. Love it. :jam2:

Bynum/Pau/AJ/Hill is long and strong. Best front court in league by far.

I see McBob getting moved. Time to fill that bench weakness at SG.
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:11 am

It's tough to come by role players who know that they are what they are and are willing to take less money for a shot at a ring, not overpaid at all and a great signing by Mitch. Some folks are acting like we gave Hill "Luke Walton" money.
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby noobiew on Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:24 am

Good new ! our bench front court depth and rotation are set ! :jam2:

C- Bynum (34), Gasol (10), Hill (4)
PF - Gasol (20), Jamison (20), Hill (8)
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby JGC on Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:24 am

trodgers wrote:Good signing, good price.

Starting five? Check.
Backup C? Check.
Backup PF? Check.
Backup wing? Hmm...maybe.
Backup PG? I guess.

JGC, I don't see how this affects Howard, honestly.


Well, I wasn't suggesting that the signing of Hill affects Howard per se. What I was pondering was whether this signing of hill, is any indication of the FO's strategy regarding Howard. And for the record, I'm not saying it is THE evidence indicating their direction, but, just exhibit A perhaps.

Howard has, and can, played 38 minutes per game. Does it really make sense to sign a backup big to the tune of $4M per who will rarely make it on to the floor?

It's possible this signing is an indication of one of two things:

1) Their off the D12 train now, want to reduce Drew's minutes, and need to sign a capable backup player who can fill in minutes at center. A capable backup center is going to cost you so it's not something you invest in if your starting center is going to eat up all the playing time.

2) They're hedging their bets. PIck up Hill on a desirable contract. If we end up getting D12, Hill could be moved down the road as his contract is desirable. If D12 doesn't happen, you have the luxury of maximizing Drew's impact during the time he is on the court and keeping him fresh for the playoffs because you know have a capable backup big.

Let's say we had already acquired D12 for Drew. Do you think we still would have committed to Hill on this contract? Because I think if we already had D12, we would have just rostered Sacre or tried to find a vet min type player to back him up.
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby lakersin4 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:12 am

JGC wrote:
trodgers wrote:Good signing, good price.

Starting five? Check.
Backup C? Check.
Backup PF? Check.
Backup wing? Hmm...maybe.
Backup PG? I guess.

JGC, I don't see how this affects Howard, honestly.


Well, I wasn't suggesting that the signing of Hill affects Howard per se. What I was pondering was whether this signing of hill, is any indication of the FO's strategy regarding Howard. And for the record, I'm not saying it is THE evidence indicating their direction, but, just exhibit A perhaps.

Howard has, and can, played 38 minutes per game. Does it really make sense to sign a backup big to the tune of $4M per who will rarely make it on to the floor?

It's possible this signing is an indication of one of two things:

1) Their off the D12 train now, want to reduce Drew's minutes, and need to sign a capable backup player who can fill in minutes at center. A capable backup center is going to cost you so it's not something you invest in if your starting center is going to eat up all the playing time.

2) They're hedging their bets. PIck up Hill on a desirable contract. If we end up getting D12, Hill could be moved down the road as his contract is desirable. If D12 doesn't happen, you have the luxury of maximizing Drew's impact during the time he is on the court and keeping him fresh for the playoffs because you know have a capable backup big.

Let's say we had already acquired D12 for Drew. Do you think we still would have committed to Hill on this contract? Because I think if we already had D12, we would have just rostered Sacre or tried to find a vet min type player to back him up.
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As for the part about trading Hill later because his contract is a bargain.. Not gonna happen unless there is some major fallout.. We would look horrible trading a player that took less to stay with us & that's not the type of move we make
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Re: Jordan Hill Signs With Lakers (2 Years/$8 Million)

Postby jlkr on Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:02 am

on the other hand, being traded to another team could give Hill the opportunity for more playing time and hence more money so he might be open to the right situation.

Anyway, I like this signing, this is Mitch telling Hennigan the Laker ship is sailing. Flip McBob for a backup swingman who can shoot and Mitch is essentially done.

Bynum/Hill/Sacre
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Nash/Blake

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