J-Hill: benched again for no sane reason

Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby davriver290 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:43 pm

I would have Jordan Hill play 10-15 minutes at C position..... leave the PF 20 mins or so for Jamison
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Murdock on Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:53 pm

lotus wrote:
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CaCHooKa Man wrote:he went from best player off the bench to the odd man out fairly quickly. kind of expected that to happen when d'antoni took over.

problem is that he doesn't have the skill set to play solid 4 in the NBA ... he needs somewhat reliable jumper and it is simply not there ... and he isn't combo 3/4 as Jamison is ... he would be an ideal back up C for us ... problem is that those minutes go to Pau because he needs them ... see my point? if he just had a solid 15 foot jumper (he has nice technique unlike dwight, he is just not consistent)

I'm not understanding this. Since when does being a hustling, extra effort, aggressive, defending, rebounding, making the plays push over Pau doesn't make, machine not qualify as a legitimate 4?

Wasn't dantoni' Pheonix Suns' weakness that they didn't have tough defenders? Wasn't that the one thing that would keep them from winning a championship? So it's the Lakers turn now to have an offensive machine with a weakened defense.

Who's going to protect D12 when it gets tough in the paint and opposing bigs are hard fouling him? Or when he gets in foul trouble, which he is prone to do?


todays 4 usually need some shooting ability ... Randolf, O'neal in his prime was capable, Timmy has gotten better, Pau, usually you need some shooting from your C and PF combination and if need to play Gasol at 5 some times Hill gets pushed to 4 and he needs to shoot consitently, he doesn't ... MDA offense needs shooters ... simple as that
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Johnnyboy on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:02 am

Start hill and make Pau the sixth man. Problem solved
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Murdock on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:37 am

Johnnyboy wrote:Start hill and make Pau the sixth man. Problem solved

and make dwight and hill clog the paint? that's exactly what we don't want to do ... pau provides a little bit of spacing because out of those 3 he can actually hit some J
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby NeeJee on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:41 am

Johnnyboy wrote:Start Jamison and make Pau the sixth man. Problem solved

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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Johnnyboy on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:57 am

Hill can hit 5-12 ft jumpers. He plays better D and rebounds much better. When they play hill and howard together good things happen. They only play a few minutes here and there, but its worked. Doesn't mean hill has to play 35 min a game. I just think Pau would destroy most 2nd units in the nba and it would make the bench strong. Jamison starting isn't a bad option either, but he's a chucker and makes pau look like a Defensive player of the year
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby halekulani on Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:55 am

and this is probably why jordan hill couldn't flourish in nyc :\
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Phil XI on Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:30 pm

D'Ant and Hill. Round 2. I think Hill gets dealt, possibly not Pau.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Johnnyboy on Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:05 am

Dantoni was a lateral move. He's not a good coach.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby The Rock on Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:45 am

One of D'Antoni's bread and butter plays is the Pick and Roll. Jordan doesn't have good hands or anticipation so he seems to not do well in P & R plays, I remember at 2 times in last nights game where Kobe found him but he fumbled it out of bounds or he was looking at the rim while the pass was heading his way and it headed out of bounds.

D'Antoni's gotta use him in spot situations, use him as a defensive substitute
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Ariza3 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:26 pm

Hill’s defensive energy and recovery in the PNR is the 2nd best on the team to Dwight.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby lakersin4 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:46 am

I'd love to see Pau get the minutes LO got at PF with Hill keeping the backup C minutes. Tawn will be getting minutes at SF so it can work & hopefully keep all of our bigs engaged.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Ariza3 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:03 am

no more Jamison at 3! just give Jamison more minutes at the 4 and play Pau at center more with Jamison or Hill next to him. Dwight will be just as good with Jamison or Pau next to him imo
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby borri on Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:54 am

So.......when do we start hearing some rumors of a potential Hill trade?
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby The Rock on Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:55 am

whaaat no way we can trade Hill. I know hes not playing right now, but we're gonna need him. Its a long season. Im sure D'Antoni will find a role for him while cutting down Pau's minutes
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby borri on Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:02 am

The Rock wrote:whaaat no way we can trade Hill. I know hes not playing right now, but we're gonna need him. Its a long season. Im sure D'Antoni will find a role for him while cutting down Pau's minutes


Hey man, I love Hill. But, if he ain't playing in Dantoni's system, he's useless to us. He can fetch something decent, he showed more than enough last playoffs and pre- Pringles games.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby LooN3y on Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:14 am

Johnnyboy wrote:Hill can hit 5-12 ft jumpers. He plays better D and rebounds much better. When they play hill and howard together good things happen. They only play a few minutes here and there, but its worked. Doesn't mean hill has to play 35 min a game. I just think Pau would destroy most 2nd units in the nba and it would make the bench strong. Jamison starting isn't a bad option either, but he's a chucker and makes pau look like a Defensive player of the year



you do know his go to move is posting up.


hes gonna clog the paint, i dont know where u get the idea that howard/hill combo would be efficient, itll be worse.


hill should come in when our bigs arnt producing or providing the energy we need.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby Damian Necronamous on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:58 pm

I could see our dealing Hill in a couple months to get another shooter if he still isn't playing in this system.

Jordan Hill, Devin Ebanks, Earl Clark to Phoenix for Jared Dudley and Jermaine O'Neal would make sense for both teams - we could probably score our second round picks back, too.

As a matter of fact, I'd probably do that deal right now and then sign Kenyon Martin. He'd be a very good fit for this running system. Blake, Meeks, Dudley, Jamison and Martin off the bench would be pretty perfect for us.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby kenzo on Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:09 pm

O'Neal will have a season ending injury day or two after being traded... book it.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby XXIV on Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:18 pm

With Pau out Hill should see a decent amount of playing time, hopefully he can contribute like he has in the past.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby pound4pound1 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:28 pm

XXIV wrote:With Pau out Hill should see a decent amount of playing time, hopefully he can contribute like he has in the past.



unless he's so deep in the dog house that even Pau's absence still gets him a DNP-CD
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby FabFourLakers on Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:41 pm

I'm expecting a double double from Hill tonight. He is playing against his former team.

I think that if it really comes down to it, we may need to consider trading Pau to Toronto for Jose Calderon and another player...because I feel like Jamison/Hill is exactly what we need from our 4 spot...and really we just need a consistent PG and another wing player off the bench to take the heat off of MWP and Nash....
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby LakerFan1235 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:55 pm

9 points and 9 rebounds in 14 minutes is ridiculous production. He needs to get at least 15 minutes a night.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby trodgers on Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:59 pm

Played a good game. Loved that part of it.
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Re: Jordan Hill Discussion

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:02 pm

Good game with great energy & effort. A brightspot...
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