Jordan Hill Discussion: Cleared to play (66)

Jigglin Jello wrote:

Rooscooter wrote:

BDG wrote:I'm curious how much better he'll look if he's on the floor with Nash ...

Don't forget he can pick & pop as well.

Everyone is saying how good everyone on our team is going to look with Nash..... unless he's playing 48 minutes a game a lot of these guys will have to look good with Blake because I'll bet Nash gets less than 5 minutes a game with the second unit....

I wish we could clone Nash so that we COULD have him on the floor for all 48.

What I'd really like to see is Nash in while Kobe is out and visa versa. This let's Kobe do his ball dominant thing for stretches or fill the playmaker role as needed. Nash gets to do his ball dominant thing and make everyone else look good. Nash, along with Jamison, can keep the second unit good enough to compete with the starters of all but the top tier teams in the league, allowing our other starters to get rest without worrying about games slipping away from us.

If we get Delonte West I think he'll be able to fit the role of playmaker for the bench. He's a good ball handler and has a good feel for the game.

If not him then maybe Nate Robinson. He may not be the as good a playmaker as West but he's a scorer and can bring some much needed energy of the bench in spurts.

Frank Dux wrote:Great news! Hill will be a great fit in Nash's offense. If we can somehow steal Brandon Rush then I think we have to be the favorite.

I think we already are at least in the West.

nice

now if they can only get west and rush, that would be one amazing offseason

I wonder how this fits in with the Dwight plan...

Dwight/Hill
Pau/Jamison

BEASTLY

Jigglin Jello wrote:

Rooscooter wrote:

BDG wrote:I'm curious how much better he'll look if he's on the floor with Nash ...

Don't forget he can pick & pop as well.

Everyone is saying how good everyone on our team is going to look with Nash..... unless he's playing 48 minutes a game a lot of these guys will have to look good with Blake because I'll bet Nash gets less than 5 minutes a game with the second unit....

I wish we could clone Nash so that we COULD have him on the floor for all 48.

What I'd really like to see is Nash in while Kobe is out and visa versa. This let's Kobe do his ball dominant thing for stretches or fill the playmaker role as needed. Nash gets to do his ball dominant thing and make everyone else look good. Nash, along with Jamison, can keep the second unit good enough to compete with the starters of all but the top tier teams in the league, allowing our other starters to get rest without worrying about games slipping away from us.

You hit on the one part that gives me a little pause about getting a ball dominant guard like Nash..... How does Kobe mesh with him after being the entire focus of the offense for 16 years?.... It might take a month or two before they find the best way to co-exist.

As for Nash's minutes.... I'd be surprised if he plays much more than 30 a game..... at least I hope not.... unfortunately that leaves too many minutes for Blake...

You need players like Hill coming off the bench...good signing.

I am surprised... But this is another good signing by Mitch. I'd go for another shooter/scorer if at all possible and we're done with the bench IMO.

Plot wrote:

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt
Bradbury: "There were bigger offers but in the end he wants to join (Steve) Nash in trying to bring a championship to L.A."

Love J Hill -- so happy he's back!

Good.

As for overpaid, how's that possible when he turned down more from Kaaaaahhhhnnnn?

Hill is not overpaid...even McRoberts gets like 3.5 mio. or so...

really Hill could have gotten 6 mio. I'm sure. He is still 24 and he showed some promise.

He is never going to be special but as long as he brings the energy off the bench to the Lakers, thats good.
I really can't think of too many backup bigmen that are much better than him...

He was the only reliable bench player last season so it is a good move at a good price ... the paint rotations are very solid , now we need to adress the 2 and 3

No doubt this is a GREAT (re)signing. J Hill is exactly the type of PF/C this team needs off the bench.. energy, rebounding, defense. I fully did not expect this.

My only question is how to Hill and Jamison split mins? Jamison is a 6th man type player, J Hill is a third big man. How will it work?

I'm no doubt stoked to have such a DEEP front court, but I'm curious as to how this will all work. Especially if Dwight is a Laker. Maybe slide AJ down to the 3 at times?

Bynum(36)//Hill(12)
Pau(30)//Jamison(10)//Hill(8)
Artest(30)//Jamison(14)//Ebanks(4)


I guess everybody could drop down at times and play mins, maybe even give Ebanks the majority of backup mins at SG?

All I know is that so far this off-season gets an A. The only downer was losing Sesh to be our backup (damn you Blake) but with Dwight to LA still looming, Mitch is about to put together one of the best off-seasons in Laker history.

YA BUDDY!

This team is starting to look pretty strong. Like others have mentioned, we're a backup 2 or combo-guard away from being done with our roster. A Dwight would be nice, but thread isn't about him.

O let's do it Jordan!

As much as I like Jordan and I appreciate him wanting to be here, I'm definitely wondering about the implications going forward. Here's my big hope:

1. Jordan wanted to be here, so the Lakers decided hey if he wants to be here that badly, we need a guy like that around. Now we've got 3 players who came to LA to win.

2. This means we can't use him as a sign and trade chip anymore. I was hoping we could use him to flip for Rush since he has been a fairly hot commodity and Golden State needs a big.

3. Hopefully this means either there is a plan B for Rush or that a Dwight trade is coming soon and would bring back a SG/SF type.

therealdeal wrote:As much as I like Jordan and I appreciate him wanting to be here, I'm definitely wondering about the implications going forward. Here's my big hope:

1. Jordan wanted to be here, so the Lakers decided hey if he wants to be here that badly, we need a guy like that around. Now we've got 3 players who came to LA to win.

2. This means we can't use him as a sign and trade chip anymore. I was hoping we could use him to flip for Rush since he has been a fairly hot commodity and Golden State needs a big.

3. Hopefully this means either there is a plan B for Rush or that a Dwight trade is coming soon and would bring back a SG/SF type.

realdeal, there is another factor to this...it kind of frees up Gasol a little bit...which means if we get a great offer for him for a wing or something, the Lakers might pull the trigger, start Jamison and have Hill as their 3rd big off the bench. Also its really not a given to have Bynum healthy all-season. We might see him get hurt somehow (hopefully not). I think the Lakers might play Bynum less minutes (around 30 hopefully) and have Gasol move to C. I also think Bynum works better with Jamison and Gasol works better with Hill so we have some flexibility there as well.

Overall the Lakers can't add talent and lose talent at the same time. In order to win, we need to have a surplus in talent (by a wide margin)...losing Sessions, Barnes...adding Nash and Jamison. Now assuming we would lose Hill too...we would be better but probably still not good enough.

Also should the Lakers realize they can't use him, they can still trade him at the deadline. I'm also hoping they can trade McRoberts who is now beyond redundant. Memphis was ready to trade him for OJ Mayo 2 years ago... too bad thats gone.

But I think he can be moved EASILY. One year contract on the cheap and he still has some upside to play 10-15 minutes on a lesser team easily.

The depth and quality of our front court is unbelievable right now. And who knows... Maybe we're going to play Jamison at the 3 a lot? Just a thought.

Other options: trading Pau, but only if a great opportunity arises. Or trading McBob for a "small" (shooter?). I don't think Mitch is done yet. It's pretty obvious he's trying to win a championship or two now.

I don't see Hill as overpaid. Not at all.

Jason Thompson overpaid at $6M? He's an 11/7 guy in his career, is only 26 this season.

Ilyasova at $9M is paid on speculation. Last three years has gone 10/6, 10.6, and 13/9. 13/9 with three-ball range (shot 46% last year, 36% in his career), is a luxury. Outperformed his counterpart at every position he logged minutes last year. He's a nice player. Admittedly there is some hope that he continues to improve just a bit, but that's part of the nature of contracts.

Lopez...what a strange case. His career numbers are big: 17/8, 50% shooting. But he has gotten better and better at scoring and worse and worse at just about everything else. When your seven footer can't grab five boards in 36 minutes, you're in trouble. Doesn't even shoot the three. Doesn't defend. He's overpaid. At $9M, would you rather have him or Ilyasova?

I really wanted this to happen. I can't name a better backup Big on the league right now.

Great job Mich!

I'm smelling Championship!

Im glad we got hill, this was a great signing. Now we need a nice shooter/defender off the bench and we're set. I think that mcrob will be traded for what we are looking for. Maybe even a package of mcrob and goudelock i think

J Heeeeeeeeeezzzzy. Love it.

Bynum/Pau/AJ/Hill is long and strong. Best front court in league by far.

I see McBob getting moved. Time to fill that bench weakness at SG.

It's tough to come by role players who know that they are what they are and are willing to take less money for a shot at a ring, not overpaid at all and a great signing by Mitch. Some folks are acting like we gave Hill "Luke Walton" money.

Good new ! our bench front court depth and rotation are set !

C- Bynum (34), Gasol (10), Hill (4)
PF - Gasol (20), Jamison (20), Hill (8)